Skip to content
  • About
  • Contact
  • Contribute
  • Book
  • Careers
  • Podcast
  • Recommended
  • Speaking
  • All
  • Physician
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
  • Video
    • All
    • Physician
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • Video
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Recommended
    • Speaking

Who is keeping Marlise Munoz on life support against her wishes?

Jennifer Gunter, MD
Physician
January 21, 2014
64 Shares
Share
Tweet
Share

Brain death is death. This is one of the definitions of death. Even in Texas.

Because brain death is death, a do not resuscitate (DNR) order or invalidating a DNR are both meaningless, because you don’t do procedures on dead bodies. This is why taking someone off a ventilator who is brain dead is not homicide, assisted suicide, or even following a DNR, it is simply the cessation of forcing air into a dead body.

So what of this terribly tragic case in Texas of Marlise Munoz found down on the floor by her husband, Erick, in November when she was in the first trimester. The reported cause of her circulatory arrest is pulmonary embolism (more common in pregnancy).  Munoz was a paramedic as is her husband and while she did not have a living will her family (her parents and husband) are well aware that she did not want life support.

The family report that their ability to carry out Marlise’s wishes are being ignored because of a Texas law that invalidates do not resuscitate (DNR) orders in pregnancy.

A spokesperson for John Peter Smith, the hospital in Texas where Ms.Munoz is on a ventilator, is claiming they are only following the law (which, by the way, is not a Texas-only Handmaid’s Tale). Although, it is important to know that law explicitly does not invalidate other laws, meaning brain dead in Texas is still dead, whether you’re pregnant or not.

So there is a huge disconnect here. A law that invalidates a DNR can not apply to a dead person.

The possible scenarios are:

1. Ms. Munoz is not brain dead. She has been tested and did not meet the criteria. She may have severe brain damage and be in a vegetative state, but she does not meet the criteria for brain death. Her family has confused this with brain death, although given her husband is a paramedic I think that confusion would be unlikely. In this situation the Texas law about DNR would sadly apply. It’s a terrible law and essentially reduces women to incubators, allowing the state to defile a woman against her wishes never mind ignoring the obvious concerns about fetal well-being from a catastrophic lack of oxygen. The kind of terrible event that could cause a maternal vegetative state would likely have resulted in even a longer interruption of oxygen supply to the fetus as all organs are sacrificed in catastrophic events in a desperate bid to send oxygen to the brain. A “strong” fetal heart rate doesn’t in any way guarantee fetal health. Anencephalic fetuses have normal heart rates until birth. In this case, the fight is with the state and the hospital is sadly following a terrible, misguided piece of legislation.

2. Ms. Munoz is brain dead so the Texas law about a DNR doesn’t apply. In this case the hospital is a) is following some bizarre pro-life agenda, b) can’t read/understand legislation, c) has an anti-brain death doctor in the ICU (apparently they exist). This scenario has John Peter Smith hospital defiling a dead body as the Texas legislation can not apply here.

3. John Peter Smith hospital has not checked Ms. Munoz for brain death. If you haven’t ascertained if someone is dead, then you can’t be compelled to withdraw life support by the family. The reason? Pro “life”? Anti-brain-death? Fear of alienating patients? Fear of affecting fund-raising? Not understanding the legislation? Who knows?

There are some worrisome facts about the hospital and how they are handling things. Ms. Munoz’s mother reported to the New York Times that, “ … we have no input in the decision making process.”

Then there is the intimation that they are going to do a viability test around 24 weeks (there is no such thing, BTW), but perhaps if the staff/hospital thinks they can get a fetal heart rate at 24 weeks they can somehow circumvent the brain death legislation (although how they could do a C-section or any invasive procedure without family consent is beyond me). But why would the family feel alienated if the hospital is “only following the law.”

Wouldn’t the common enemy be the state? By the way, I did a search on the John Peter Smith website for “abortion’ and not one hit returned. Nothing. Also they offer emergent care for rape victims, yet the website doesn’t mention post coital contraception. Maybe they offer it and are just flying below the radar. Why wouldn’t you say that you offer post coital contraception if your are promoting your rape trauma care program? And finally, the residency at John Peter Smith hospital does not offer abortion training.

What is clear is that Ms. Munoz’s husband and parents feel very alienated by the hospital and powerless. If the hospital were only following state law, I think their anger would be directed only at the state. Also, given Mr. Munoz’s training as a paramedic he would clearly be medically literate enough to handle the in-depth discussions of ICU care and the nuances of brain death versus a coma or vegetative state (the family has reported that Ms. Munoz is brain dead).

It’s a tragedy any way you look at it, but who is really keeping Ms. Munoz on life support against her wishes? Texas or John Peter Smith hospital?

Jennifer Gunter is an obstetrician-gynecologist and author of The Preemie Primer. She blogs at her self-titled site, Dr. Jen Gunter.

Prev

What if the uninsured don't buy Obamacare?

January 21, 2014 Kevin 24
…
Next

It's never too early to talk about cost-conscious care

January 22, 2014 Kevin 2
…

Tagged as: Hospital-Based Medicine, OB/GYN

Post navigation

< Previous Post
What if the uninsured don't buy Obamacare?
Next Post >
It's never too early to talk about cost-conscious care

More by Jennifer Gunter, MD

  • The Ellen Show broadcasts potentially harmful information about ovarian cancer screening

    Jennifer Gunter, MD
  • Dear science: an appreciation

    Jennifer Gunter, MD
  • Are there too many female OB/GYNs?

    Jennifer Gunter, MD

More in Physician

  • Physicians have no autonomy. Here’s how to change that.

    Diane W. Shannon, MD, MPH
  • The erosion of patient care

    Laura de la Torre, MD
  • Navigating adulthood in the digital age

    Eleanor Menzin, MD
  • The power of business knowledge for medical professionals

    Curtis G. Graham, MD
  • Using the language of art to create work-life balance

    Sarah Samaan, MD
  • Lively communication in the service industry

    Deepak Gupta, MD
  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Reigniting after burnout: 3 physician stories

      Kim Downey, PT | Physician
    • The erosion of patient care

      Laura de la Torre, MD | Physician
    • I’m tired of being a distracted doctor

      Shiv Rao, MD | Tech
    • Inside the grueling life of a surgery intern

      Randall S. Fong, MD | Physician
    • How Tratak yoga reshaped my USMLE Step 2 prep

      Dr. Nikita Mehdiratta | Education
    • Family support is pivotal in the treatment of schizophrenia

      Frank Chen, MD | Conditions
  • Past 6 Months

    • Medical gaslighting: a growing challenge in today’s medical landscape

      Tami Burdick | Conditions
    • I want to be a doctor who can provide care for women: What states must I rule out for my medical education?

      Nandini Erodula | Education
    • Balancing opioid medication in chronic pain

      L. Joseph Parker, MD | Conditions
    • Reigniting after burnout: 3 physician stories

      Kim Downey, PT | Physician
    • I’m a doctor, and I almost died during childbirth

      Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD | Physician
    • Mourning the silent epidemic: the physician suicide crisis and suggestions for change

      Amna Shabbir, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • How Tratak yoga reshaped my USMLE Step 2 prep

      Dr. Nikita Mehdiratta | Education
    • Transforming primary care for physician well-being [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • COVID-19 unleashed an ongoing crisis of delirium in hospitals

      Christina Reppas-Rindlisbacher, MD, Nathan Stall, MD, and Paula Rochon, MD | Conditions
    • Doctors and disability insurance: Protecting your income

      Amarish Dave, DO | Finance
    • Emergency care nightmare: the urgent need for experienced nurses

      Rachel Basham, RN, CCRN | Conditions
    • Physicians have no autonomy. Here’s how to change that.

      Diane W. Shannon, MD, MPH | Physician

Subscribe to KevinMD and never miss a story!

Get free updates delivered free to your inbox.


Find jobs at
Careers by KevinMD.com

Search thousands of physician, PA, NP, and CRNA jobs now.

Learn more

View 11 Comments >

Founded in 2004 by Kevin Pho, MD, KevinMD.com is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories.

Social

  • Like on Facebook
  • Follow on Twitter
  • Connect on Linkedin
  • Subscribe on Youtube
  • Instagram

CME Spotlights

From MedPage Today

Latest News

  • With Shutdown Likely, Policy Experts Weigh Health Risks
  • Report: Persistence of Gender Inequalities in Cancer Care, and a Call to Action
  • Cancer Risk in NAFLD Higher With Early Disease Onset
  • FDA Displeased With Companies Purposely Adding Sesame to More Foods
  • COVID Vax Appointment Cancelled? New Shot Rollout Faces Challenges

Meeting Coverage

  • New Schizophrenia Treatments Are Coming: Don't Panic
  • Loneliness Needs to Be Treated Like Any Other Health Condition, Researcher Suggests
  • Stopping Medical Misinformation Requires Early Detection
  • AI Has an Image Problem in Healthcare, Expert Says
  • Want Better Health Outcomes? Check Out What Other Countries Do
  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Reigniting after burnout: 3 physician stories

      Kim Downey, PT | Physician
    • The erosion of patient care

      Laura de la Torre, MD | Physician
    • I’m tired of being a distracted doctor

      Shiv Rao, MD | Tech
    • Inside the grueling life of a surgery intern

      Randall S. Fong, MD | Physician
    • How Tratak yoga reshaped my USMLE Step 2 prep

      Dr. Nikita Mehdiratta | Education
    • Family support is pivotal in the treatment of schizophrenia

      Frank Chen, MD | Conditions
  • Past 6 Months

    • Medical gaslighting: a growing challenge in today’s medical landscape

      Tami Burdick | Conditions
    • I want to be a doctor who can provide care for women: What states must I rule out for my medical education?

      Nandini Erodula | Education
    • Balancing opioid medication in chronic pain

      L. Joseph Parker, MD | Conditions
    • Reigniting after burnout: 3 physician stories

      Kim Downey, PT | Physician
    • I’m a doctor, and I almost died during childbirth

      Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD | Physician
    • Mourning the silent epidemic: the physician suicide crisis and suggestions for change

      Amna Shabbir, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • How Tratak yoga reshaped my USMLE Step 2 prep

      Dr. Nikita Mehdiratta | Education
    • Transforming primary care for physician well-being [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • COVID-19 unleashed an ongoing crisis of delirium in hospitals

      Christina Reppas-Rindlisbacher, MD, Nathan Stall, MD, and Paula Rochon, MD | Conditions
    • Doctors and disability insurance: Protecting your income

      Amarish Dave, DO | Finance
    • Emergency care nightmare: the urgent need for experienced nurses

      Rachel Basham, RN, CCRN | Conditions
    • Physicians have no autonomy. Here’s how to change that.

      Diane W. Shannon, MD, MPH | Physician

MedPage Today Professional

An Everyday Health Property Medpage Today
  • Terms of Use | Disclaimer
  • Privacy Policy
  • DMCA Policy
All Content © KevinMD, LLC
Site by Outthink Group

Who is keeping Marlise Munoz on life support against her wishes?
11 comments

Comments are moderated before they are published. Please read the comment policy.

Loading Comments...