If you believe in vaccines, please speak up

If you believe in vaccines, please speak up

If you believe in vaccines, can you speak up?

When we are unsure about decisions, we want to know what our friends and loved ones think. This is normal and understandable; after all, these are people who are important to us, people whose opinions we value and trust.

We also turn to these people when making medical decisions–including ones about immunizations. While what the doctor says is important, what our friends and loved ones say is just as important–if not more so.

That’s the message of a study released in the journal Pediatrics, the official journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics. Researchers had parents–first-time parents of children less than 18 months old–fill out online questionnaires asking them where (and from whom) they got information about immunizations, what those sources of information told them, and how they ranked the sources in terms of importance. They also asked the parents about their vaccine beliefs and choices. They did the survey in Kings County, Washington, which has lower than average immunization rates.

Here’s what they found: what made the biggest difference was whether the people the parents turned to recommended vaccination. If they did, chances are the parents immunized their children completely and according to the schedule. If they didn’t, the parents were much more likely to either not immunize or immunize on a different schedule. While people talked to their doctor, and read things like books and internet sites, the opinions of their friends and loved ones won out.

Now, I absolutely respect everyone’s right to make their own decisions about medical treatments, including immunizations; there are risks and side effects to everything, and we should do what we think is best for ourselves and our children. But as we make these important decisions, we want to be sure that we are getting the most accurate, complete and up-to-date information. Some friends may have that–but some might not.

Immunization is a very important decision. The risks of vaccine-preventable diseases are very real, something that sometimes gets lost in the discussion about the risks of vaccines. And it’s not just the health of the unvaccinated children we worry about, but the health of the children around them. There are some children who cannot be immunized, either because they are too young or because they are on medications or have conditions that make immunizations unsafe for them; when the immunization rates drop, the chance of them catching a vaccine-preventable illness like pertussis or measles (we have seen cases of both) goes up, and the consequences can be deadly.

The people who don’t immunize tend to be more vocal than those who do. There are lots of reasons for this, but I think that for parents who immunize, it doesn’t seem like such a big deal. It’s just what you do: you take your kids to the doctor and they get their shots. It seems very unremarkable, not worth talking about.

But, those of you who immunize your children…could you talk about it? Can you tell people why you choose to do it? Can you tell them what your doctor has told you about vaccines, and what you’ve learned on your own? Can you let them know how you think about the risks–and how your kids handled their vaccines? If you’ve ever seen a child with a vaccine-preventable illness like pertussis (whooping cough), can you talk about that too?

It may be that everyone around you feels the same way you do about vaccines (which may be part of why you give them), but you never know–maybe somebody is hesitant. Or maybe the fact that you talk about it gets somebody else talking about it, which gets somebody else talking about it…and you could start a movement.

You might not change anybody’s mind. But maybe you will. Maybe you’ll stop a child–or a whole bunch of children–from getting measles or pertussis or influenza, or meningitis or hepatitis or another vaccine-preventable illness.

You might just save a life.

Claire McCarthy is a primary care physician and the medical director of Boston Children’s Hospital’s Martha Eliot Health Center.  She blogs at Thriving, the Boston Children’s Hospital blog, Vector, the Boston Children’s Hospital science and clinical innovation blog, and MD Mama at Boston.com, where this article originally appeared.

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  • Frugal Nurse

    I couldn’t agree more! I always support vaccines on my blog – Hep A, HPV, flu, whatever – and other preventive health measures. But in reading other blogs, the number of anti-vaccine comments is huge and grossly ignorant. One comment threw out the belief that a child could develop autism just because his parents had been vaccinated. Help!

    • J.M.

      Two subjects which seem to bring out the waves of wackadoodles are homeopathy and vaccines. Put up a blog post either casting aspersions on homeopathy or praising vaccines, and often, a day or two later, a whole bunch of them will just swarm in all at once as though an alert klaxon has sounded somewhere deep in moonbat central summonsing all of them in a mass call to action.

      Normal everyday people who understand that magic water doesn’t cure cancer and that vaccines don’t turn children into “retards” (thanks, Michelle Bachmann! Not!!) aren’t nearly as well organized nor as evangelical about their beliefs.

      Thank you for this article, Claire. You have made an important point, and a good suggestion.

      • Tom

        You called it. A few days later, and look at the mess of wackos on this board. Incredible. Where did they all come from? There’s no way they’re all regular readers of a science-based medical blog like KevinMD.

        • Guest

          Their tinfoil hats started vibrating. SOMETHING WAS AMISS ON THE INTERNET. SOMEONE SUPPORTED VACCINATING CHILDREN.

          And here they are.

          • EE Smith

            LOL.

  • Sakul

    Great comment. I live in Germany and study medicine. Here so many people don’t get vaccinated. When you talk to them whats the reason for not getting vaccinated most of them have no idea. They even tell you with an undertone of pride that they not even have a measles vaccination. I believe most of them have a well educated background. They have to know and I actually believe they are smart enough, that because of their attitude diseases like the measles are coming back and more and more people, maybe even those that cant get vaccinated like written in the text above, get infected with diseases that don’t have to exist in our country anymore. Vaccines protect yourself and the people around you.

    • Menina Fortunato

      As you said, you study MEDICINE, not health. Your area of expertise is drugs, so that’s what you support and promote. Unfortunately medicine is apart of many health problems and vaccines are one of them.

      • trinu

        Medicine includes human physiology, ie how the body functions when it’s healthy (or not). There is no evidence to support a link between vaccines and autism, despite numerous studies, large and small, on the subject.

        • freetorun

          Keep drinking the Koolaid, there are a host of studies out there that HAVE made connections between vaccines and autism.

          • Remedios Moscote

            Could you please list even one study published in a peer reviewed journal that has made any connection between vaccines and autism.

          • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

            I posted today about the Hannah Poling case that has the studies cited (her dad is a neurologist), and the Italian courts have it too. But how can there be big studies if the NIH isn’t allowing comparison group studies on autism?

          • Bhai_Mian

            Please quote only ONE

          • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

            Read the thread. It’s in the Hanah Polling court transcripts. Just press Ctrl + F and run a word search. It was proven in the Italian Courts and the Inside Vaccines page has several. Also, the book I mentioned by the Immunologist titled Vaccine Illusions had the studies.

      • EE Smith

        “you study MEDICINE, not health”

        The word ‘medicine’ is derived from the Latin ‘ars medicina’, meaning the art of healing — the art of health.

        By definition, anyone who studies medicine studies health.

        • freetorun

          Really? The meaning of the word ‘medicine’ has nothing to do with our current medical system. I challenge you to find a doctor that studied diet, and it’s affects on health….they are few and far between. They spend more time in med schools on how to code, then they do on actual health. It used to be that doctors kept you healthy, now they just cover the symptoms of disease, with drugs that cause more disease. They start you off with vaccinations when you are young, to keep you coming back, because vaccinations are actually connected to many of the chronic diseases we have today (that weren’t around, or were very rare before the advent of mass vaccination.

  • OkieShell

    My son was born in 1989 before all this fuss came about (or maybe I was just ignorant of it). He got all of his vaccines on the recommended schedules as dictated by the CDC. He also got the chicken pox vaccine and would have gotten the one for HPV if it had existed at the time.

    I also had all of my childhood vaccines (including polio!), and had the hepatitis vaccines as an adult. I’m also a rabid fan of flu and pneumonia vaccines for myself after a wicked bout with pneumonia took me out for almost three months in 2001.

    Why, after all of these years of preventive medicine being better than cure are we still debating this? What parent of a teenager wouldn’t want to protect him/her from a potentially life-threatening STD later in life? Also as an adult who recently had surgical excision for VIN III (OUCH!), which was suspected but not test-proven to be caused by HPV, would I want any child to go through that? Thankfully, the margins were clear – this time. I was told that it will almost certainly come back and the surgery will be needed again.

  • NYC Patient

    I don’t have children but I would immunize if I did. While I sympathize with those who disagree for their own reasons, having witnessed young children die of preventable diseases (ie, polio, measles, etc.) in poverty-stricken countries, it is mind boggling that people with access to such things refuse them. The recent outbreaks in the UK are an unfortunate reminder of the costs of not vaccinating.

    I’m not particularly fond of the administration schedule – could never imagine being in the same room where my baby received 4 needles, hypothetically speaking, but that’s something I would discuss with a pediatrician, etc.

    On the other hand, I think a few are subjective. I had worked with MHMR folks, some of who had Hep B/C, as well as in hospitals where they recommended being Hep C/B vaccinated…so, I got vaccinated.

    For HPV, I haven’t. For religious reasons I am, and have always been, completely abstinent, so I’m not at risk. Also, I have no family history of cervical cancer, etc. Of course, HPV screening is part of my regular annual obg appt. If I wasn’t abstinent then, yes, I would certainly get vaccinated especially in light of recent data.

    • Hannahoneybee

      You can’t really say for sure what you would do if you had a child. Nothing prepares you. You might not be willing to take the risks.

      • NYC Patient

        I would undoubtedly have my children vaccinated, especially against polio, MMR, hep. Period. As I am allergic to the DTaP vaccine I would have it administered to the child separately and while monitored.

  • Wendy Callahan

    I watched my son seize 8x’s a day after his shots. Never again. 13 years later and no vaccines, like a miracle, he is still alive. You can’t inject kids with some of the most toxic chemicals on earth and think nothing will happen.

    • Jason Simpson

      Your son also drank orange juice the day before the seizure. I think the orange juice did it and I’ve got just as much evidence for that as you do for the shots!

      • Wendy Callahan

        Well maybe, but the’ what you need to know fact sheet’ said, ’6 out of 10 will seize from this vaccine’…so, I’m trusting the doctors on this one.

        • Remedios Moscote

          I’m sorry that your son seized after his shots – I can’t even imagine how scary that would have been for you. However, what is far more scary are the hundreds of thousands of children who died yearly before widescale international introduction of the MMR vaccine.

          • Wendy Callahan

            It was very scary. I thought he was going to die with each one. Later when he came down with measles at 11, I really wished I hadn’t vaccinated him. It was a walk in the park compared to the seizures. I made sure his pedi documented vaccine failure. I’m not scared of VPD’s any longer. He also had whooping cough…so did I …we all lived. 8 people has measles in 1963 when the vaccine came out…measles was almost gone before the vaccine came out. I can’t help but wonder if we are continuing the infection by injecting it inside children and then it shedding to others…

          • Tom

            “8 people has measles in 1963 when the vaccine came out…measles was almost gone before the vaccine came out.”
            =============================

            Where are you getting these lies? That is not true.

            —————————

            “Before measles vaccine was licensed in 1963, an average of 400,000 measles cases were reported each year in the United States. However, because virtually all children acquired measles, the number of cases probably approached 3.5 million per year (i.e., an entire birth cohort).

            “Since measles vaccine became available, professional and voluntary medical and public health organizations have collaborated in vaccination programs that have reduced the reported incidence of measles by >99%. During the late 1960s and early 1970s, the number of reported cases decreased to approximately 22,000–75,000 cases per year.”

            Source: http: //www. cdc. gov/mmwr/PDF/rr/rr4708 .pdf

          • Wendy Callahan

            Only 8 deaths…measles is nothing in a well nourished child

          • Tom

            You claimed:

            “8 people has measles in 1963 when the vaccine came out…measles was almost gone before the vaccine came out.”

            That was a lie. I provided evidence to demonstrate that it was a lie. Why do you persist? If you people can’t make your case without lying, then you don’t have a case.

          • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

            Good grief even immunologists debate such important matters at vaccine or mercury conferences. What you have some handle on the truth?

          • Tom

            These are actual quantitative facts. Statistics. Not opinions.

            You can have your own opinions, but you cannot have your own facts.

          • Wendy Callahan

            Also its live and sheds…and it’s made with aborted fetal tissue…nasty…might cause autoimmune diseases as well.

          • Hannahoneybee

            No, what’s more scary is vaccines could be safer, but they aren’t, and when there is a problem, it’s swept under the rug. There’s no one for parents to go to with a problem many are denying exists either through ignorance, fear, or laziness. The parents are expected to bear a huge financial burden if their kids get sick, plus massive guilt. Having to sign a paper indemnifying both Dr. and drug co if the kid has a bad reaction, that’s scary.

      • Noni

        Do you think that child was also exposed to that dangerous dihydrogen monoxide described above?

      • adh1729

        Real funny.
        Did you learn that orange juice causes seizures when you attended witch doctor school in New Guinea?

      • Hannahoneybee

        There was an antibiotic that caused three people to have heart problems and that was enough for it to cause an investigation to be launched. Here you have MANY people saying: my kid had shots, then died of SIDS in the night, or stopped talking, or had seizures, and we are supposed to believe it’s not worth looking into? All of it is coincidence?

    • Hannahoneybee

      Encephalitis is a known side effect of vaccines, and can cause seizures. I don’t know why Jason is bringing up orange juice, which can bring on a sugar buzz but that’s about it, unless you have an allergy. Are you saying vaccines are as safe as orange juice? Wrong.

      • Wendy Callahan

        Jason thinks OJ is as toxic as mercury. He has had one too many flu shots…

  • candice

    Can I just ask this…if you picked up a box of pasta and or cereal or something to that degree..and began to read the ingredients…and the first 5 or so were aluminum…formaldehyde… thimerasol…human lung tissue….aborted fetal tissue (although worded differently)..might i ask would you purchase this and than ingest it??? your probably thinking absolutely not no way..or maybe you are absent minded and thinking well if its sold in the store it must be safe…so then i ask…if you said no…then why it is ok to inject a tiny human with such things?!!

    • Guest

      If you’re that freaked out about aluminum, I hope you’ve never taken an over-the-counter antacid tablet.

      Me, I eat rat poison and consume the wee of pregnant horses daily, and relish my dear old Mum’s traditional haggis every New Year’s Eve, so I guess you could say I’m not too picky.

      • soxfansoxfan

        Would you inject said rat poison, horse wee, and haggis? Do you think ingestion and injection have the same consequences?

        • Guest

          You didn’t read Ms Candice’s question. I did.

          • soxfansoxfan

            OK, point made. But I think Candice is implying that if you wouldn’t even eat it, surely you shouldn’t inject it.

      • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

        Off topic….but the vegetarian haggis is fantastic…much better than the real stuff they had in Scotland. We buy it from Amazon because for awhile the Agriculture Dept. wouldn’t let it in the country.

      • adh1729

        Good point. Avoid aluminum-containing antacids. Stick to calcium carbonate. Aluminum is a neurotoxin.

      • Hannahoneybee

        Premarin is not good for you.

    • Close Call

      You stay away from carbon too, right? Carbon… the same stuff that is in coal and ash and gasoline. It’s also in feces.

      Same for oxygen. Did you know oxygen is toxic to little babies? Do you know what else has oxygen in it? Feces. That’s right. Feces.

      As a species, we are ingesting so many toxic elements!!!! It’s crazy! Good thing thing we have gluten free/ preservative free/ antibiotic free trail mix and crackers to sustain us.

      • EE Smith

        Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a big worry as well.
        Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. NEUROTRANSMITTERS, people!

        The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol. And here we are, giving it to children?? CHILDREN!! I ask you, will none of you heartless freaks think of the CHILDREN?

        // pass me some of that trail mix, will you? ;-)

        • SBornfeld

          I stay away from HMOs. Especially DHMO. Or is it DMO? I stay away from that too.
          Without breaking it down though when administered IV will cause a hemolytic anemia (so I’m told)

          • adh1729

            You could use a large dose of dihydrogen monoxide directly down your trachea.

          • SBornfeld

            I guess that will have to pass for witty repartee.

        • adh1729

          Methinks I hear the sound of a great donkey braying. I think I beat you on the chemistry test, the MCAT, and the USMLE. Likely by a mile.
          Yes, you fools should think of the children, whom you have made guinea pigs by the millions for your great vaccine experiment (and you aren’t even collecting the data.) A foreign substance isn’t safe just because you studied it for 2 weeks in a clinical trial; you need 50-70 year follow up. You don’t know what you are doing, but you do it anyway, even in cases with no need. There is no need to vaccinate children (< age 10) against mumps, rubella, chickenpox, or hepatitis B. You are closed-minded ignoramuses.

        • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

          Dr. Russell Blaylock the neurosurgeon has the studies on this:)

      • adh1729

        You are a fool. Aluminum, mercury and formaldehyde are poisons. You and your ilk should be ashamed of how much of that stuff you injected in babies (often when you didn’t have to at all, e.g. hepatitis B shots for neonates.) Take your feces elsewhere, you anencephalic witch doctor.
        It is crazy that we ingest so many toxic elements. For once, you state the truth.

  • buzzkillerjsmith

    Do you mean believe that vaccines work or believe that they exist? Uh, I guess if you believe that they work you pretty much believe that they exist.

    • SBornfeld

      cogito ergo sum

  • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

    I was thrown off a Physician’s Practice list (it is a healthcare list where doctors discuss codes and ways to make more money. It was pretty boring, so the discussion was about lost revenues, etc. Boo hoo moms who do not vaccinate are costing them money:). I am on a cell so I am struggling with that…struggling with doctors who repeat studies paid for by BigPharma…demean moms and the ever growing list of PhD”s who have researched this far more than the average doctor. When doctors use bullying it is a complete lack of knowledge completes out fear factors that may well be based on anecdotal evidence…but docs quote bad science at an alarming rate and think medical school gave them not only training, but a type of arrogant arsehole attitude! Ha! Sorry is there a vaccine to help prevent my love of alliteration….and CS Lewis…that old, shabby Brit is a dead dreamboat in disguise…..I warned you:)
    . The docs I liike the most are research docs…they leave most supporters of vaccines in the dust. In theory shots are a wonderful gift to humanity. Why try to shut down voices that want them cleaned up for ALL…not just the wealthy who can order safer shots?

    • Jason Simpson

      I’ll play your game. For every 1 quack “research” doc who supports your view that vaccines are dangerous, I’ll list 50 who support vaccination.

      • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

        Well it’s not a game…it’s an observation…but you are right and it’s exactly what I shared….like my research doctor shared that often his colleagues are “idiots” (some of those researcher “quacks” leave the docs you quoted in the dust…stay with me here….). They simply don’t even know what they are injecting into kids, nor care if the child will react because if you are honest you would admit most are ignorantly injecting kids (look at the flu shot and how many docs have egg on their fact now…it is useless yet docs bickered with hesitant patients and in hindsight look ridiculous). And what studies are these 50 docs quoting from? Independent or BigPharma paid for (we both know who the paid for the vast majority of shot research…those who profited the most and some of them are doctors who use doctors to give shots without even understanding any repercussions because somehow they managed to figure out how to give an injection with two fingers in their ears:)

        One wonders how much time the average doc spent in medical school studying vaccines (a chapter or so?). Yet, they discount patient fears.

        • keithpr

          Alice is correct, of course. I wanted to inject here that vaccines themselves are not the issue. Many parents like myself who have a vaccine-injured child are not looking to ban vaccines. All we are asking is for some acknowledgement of the real dangers of the additives (toxins), and at least for the industry to re-implement the schedules in a more favorable manner (spread them out more), and remove the toxins.

          There’s two reasons for the toxins to be in them: 1) to maximize shelf life- which at one time was instrumental in maximizing profits, and 2) to hyperactivate the immune system allowing them to inject 3-4 vaccines at a time, which has never been studied or proven safe by any third party. We are to trust the big pharma companies on this? Dangerous, as I well know.

          In the end, I don’t care if they want to offer BOTH toxic and “green” vaccines. Hell, charge me double! I’m paying far more now for all the extra care, special schooling, hospital bills when my child has seizures, therapies, among so much more…

          Ask yourselves some things people- Why won’t they at least offer clean vaccines? Why have they done nothing but finance a campaign to discredit thousands of parents who bring up these questions and concerns? Why does the government pander to them, assisting them with both the junk studies as well as the propaganda blitz?

          If you want organic corn, it’s available, so why aren’t clean vaccines?

          The answers are simple, and obvious. Use some critical thinking here, and at least try to shed yourself of your pre-programmed dispositions folks. You’ve been duped, we all have been. Articles like this are part of that process, painting people like me as whackos. Why?

          And one last point for those who are pro-toxins:
          If you did vaccinate your child, and I didn’t vaccinate mine, why on earth would you fear polio (or anything else)? These claims are the obvious hysteria everyone seems to miss- Your child is “safe”, right? How on earth would someone else’s un-vaccinated child possibly infect your vaccinated one? Isn’t that what the vaccines protect them from? Do you see now how much contradictory information they are feeding you all?

          There’s very good reasons the big pharma and government both will not admit the truth, and that is one simple word:

          Incrimination.

          • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

            I am sorry your son reacted badly to such a “safe” vaccine (it’s just illogical that such a “safe” shot needs the ultimate of protection. My nephew’s mom became a heroin addict after they buried her son. His funeral ranks as one of the saddest days of my life [worse than dealing with cancer twice in my children…I completely fell to pieces watching the drugged mother try to rouse her child to play with her once more. I know it’s anecdotal…just as all those mothers lined up on Oprah’s stage with their videos of beautiful, playful children BEFORE the vaccine…all anecdotal).

            So the choice is tainted research or Russian Roulette just because a doctor says it’s safe (there are plenty of doctors who say it’s not).

            But thank you for your rational voice…the problem is how do we get doctors to listen? To think outside the box. But the public is listening and understanding better how the CDC and FDA are often in the pocket of BigPharma while at their jobs (their future employers).

          • keithpr

            I really don’t know anymore. I stopped the vaccinations on my (daughter) once I made the connection, but the state two years later passed a law saying that kids without vaccinations cannot go to school. The schools are forced to police it. My daughter cannot be home-schooled because she’s autistic, and cannot pass the state required testing, (and she’s in a special school for autistic kids), so we we’re forced, quite literally, to have her shot up with toxic waste. It broke my heart in a way I cannot even describe. I felt like the worst person in the world standing there, watching them inject her with a loaded gun. I tried to talk to, and even pleaded with her doctors regarding the safety of the vaccinations, asked them to try to find “green” vaccines, and they actually just lied right to my face and told me that the vaccines they gave are “toxin free” and “clean”.. they aren’t because I did my research.. they aren’t even available, at least, not here.

            The CDC, DHHS, and FDA are hopelessly corrupted from the top to bottom.

          • freetorun

            I’m so sorry you had to go through this! And we supposedly live in a free country! This is why I keep fighting, keep commenting on these types of articles, in hopes that we will come to a tipping point, where parents are educating themselves and questioning vaccines…and refusing them…more so than not, and the vaccinations will be no more….

          • adh1729

            We don’t live in a free country. The American people don’t have the power: we are not a demo-cracy.

      • Hannahoneybee

        Well-baby visits for shots are the bread and butter of pediatrics. You don’t think that helps in their support? Really?

  • Steven Reznick

    If you didnt get immunized in my day you were not permitted to attend school and put other children at risk of developing preventable diseases. It was that simple. This is another example of science being ignored by plaintiffs attorneys seeking personal gain and profit. If the courts backed the scientific evidence instead of making every public health issue a civil liberties issue we wouldnt be dealing with lethal outbreaks of whooping cough and measles and german measles in pockets around this country. There are legitimate risks to every medication and treatment. The research shows that the benefits of immunization outweigh the risks for the individual and the society. Adverse effects with long term consequences are tragic but rare.I hope it doesnt take a major epidemic of a preventable disease to wake the courts and elected officials up to notice that good scientific research and evidence have answered these questions long ago.

    • freetorun

      “Adverse effects with long term consequences are tragic but rare” Show me the science behind this statement! Show me the science that PROVES that the reduction in infectious diseases is the result of vaccination. Have you even looked into the recent epidemics of whooping cough in this country? The vast majority of whooping cough cases have been fully vaccinated! Your statements are above are not based on science at all, but a belief system that is falling. More and more parents are waking up to the fact that we have been sold a lie, and that vaccines ARE IN FACT damaging our children. The vaccination religion is crumbling, because it IS NOT based on sound science. I think the winds are changing, and mass vaccination will be seen for the immense fraud that it is.

      The issue with vaccination is that it is a main foundation of our current medical system. If vaccination falls, so will general faith and trust in the whole system, THAT I am sure is the basis for your post, THAT I am sure, is the reason the majority of those in the medical system are fighting tooth and nail to protect their precious vaccines. As a parent, I am fighting on the other side, to protect my children, and my children’s children…..The overwhelming tide of parents and children that are struggling day to day because of vaccine injuries, is proof that you are wrong, sir!

      • Steven Reznick

        Vaccines work. The resurgence of whooping cough occurred because few anticipated that adult immunity from the childhood vaccination would diminish over time. Epidemiologists from the Center for Disease Control and National Institute of Health determined that adults caught a form of bronchitis clinically indistinguishable from a viral bronchitis but caused by the whooping cough bacteria. Middle aged adults with bronchitis transmitted the disease unknowingly to their infant children and grandchildren who had not completed their vaccination program and developed their immunity yet. The situation was exacerbated by a national movement to reduce antibiotic use in adults for viral bronchitis and the fact that the adults still shed the bacteria for whooping cough long after their cough and symptoms were gone.. The solution was for adults to take a booster shot against whooping cough and is being addressed with Tdap a combination whooping cough.
        and tetanus booster.
        There is much data from the last fifty years on the success of vaccine programs in reducing transmissable disease in third world countries which previously had no access to them. Polio, Smallpox ( no longer administered here) German Measles, Measles and Chicken Pox would be good examples of childhood illnesses unheard of in populations that follow an immunization schedule. If you personally had a loved one suffer an adverse reaction post immunization my heart goes out to you and your family but it doesnt change my faith in the science that supports immunization and vaccination programs.

        • ninguem

          We’re getting a lot of whooping cough deaths in the Northwest, the public health statisticians say it’s reaching a level not seen since the 1940′s.

          • Guest

            That’s pathetic. I hope more parents who choose not to vaccinate who have children die from preventable disease speak up and say “Whoops! We made a mistake!”

          • freetorun

            tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of parents are now coming out to say they are regretting vaccinating their children, as they watch their children degenerate in chronic disease, or they witness their children dying from the vaccines. I started vaccinating my oldest, I stopped at 18months, (almost 20 years ago) and never vaccinated my younger children….best decision I have ever made! If I had it to do over again, I would never have allowed the doctors to inject those poisons into my healthy baby to start with!!

          • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

            We feel the same about you:)

          • Hannahoneybee

            Yeah, it’s funny how you never hear from them.

            I would be all over the place crying about that and informing other parents, just like I would warn them if my kid had a reaction.

          • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

            Yes, and could you give the ages of the babies that die? They usually die before they were old enough to get the shot, and often contract from the immunized. I think we need to look beyond a stat because the truth is babies under two months aren’t immunized from pertussis, and still need two more boosters. And that’s if the shot even works because research shows they have made those shots so inane they are basically useless.

          • Hannahoneybee

            Highest levels since 1955 despite high coverage rates of vaccination. In 2008, an extra dose of DTAP was recommended for fifth graders. Cases by 2012 have risen since then. .”

        • SBornfeld

          We’ve got a big measles epidemic here in Brooklyn among the Hasidic Jews in Borough Park.
          There is apparently no real rabbinical proscription of vaccines, but somehow the idea got out.
          I’ve never seen an anti-vac converted–until they get sick.

          • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

            Well….I’ve never seen a doc converted until their own child gets sick:) Okay…I am teasing a bit but there is a larger point to made in your observation. But seriously, remember the Hannah Poling case where her father was a neurologist and her mom a nurse and lawyer (before his daughter got sick I assume he would have said exactly what Dr. Reznick and others like you say)? They proved in court the shots caused their daughter’s autism and it was proven in an Italian court too.

            Measles is just plain ole’ up even in the school systems among the vaccinated. For vaccines to work there are multiple boosters needed and doctors are really poor at emphasizing that (odd that some don’t even know a vaccine like Gardasil needs a booster every five years).

            So maybe doctors bare some blame too? They don’t push for safer vaccines. They don’t warn patients about boosters. If you did that the measles would have a harder time getting to any Jewish patients.

            Let’s face it….doctors need to do a better job….but why should they? They have been given complete immunity from lawsuits so why bother campaigning for safer shots? The internet gave patients a voice, and overall parents are doing their own homework and don’t like the way some doctors are running their shops. You have the power to help parents clean up those shots. Why not use it?

        • Hannahoneybee

          They just unrecommended the previously recommended Dtap for ten year olds. Why? Because it doesn’t work.

          • Noni

            Link please. I have not heard of this.

          • Hannahoneybee

            I posted the link but it hasn’t shown-it’s awaiting moderation. Google aafpo . org slash news health of the public. In 2008 they added an extra shot of DTAP for fifth graders, and by 2012 Pertussis has risen to the highest rates they’ve seen since 1955, despite high levels of coverage. Effectiveness “wanes quickly.”

    • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

      I would agree with you in theory. What research are you quoting and who paid for it? If you believe in herd immunity what are your fears of the unimmunized.

      I homeschooled and private schooled (where no immunizations are not a problem among the higher earners and higher educated. It’s the same in the UK).

      I really just wish doctors would push for safer shots and research that isn’t paid for by BigPharma because we both know that a huge percentage of anything you will quote here will have been paid for by BigPharma.

      I would love for a doctor to tell me why any grants applied for via the NIH get denied if they want to compare a group of unimmunized kids to immunized kids in terms of health. Hopefully an anonymous selection would remedy that, but up until now it’s been a problem. I live near the Amish and autism is almost unheard of there. Yep, more anecdotal that immunizers want to discount, but honestly I think science is going in the direction of proving what moms knew for ages and closed minds refused to hear.

    • Ellen Mary

      Actually, perhaps unknown to YOU, religious exemptions existed in ‘your day’.

      • Steven Reznick

        Actually in the NYC Public School System there were few if any religious exemptions . If you didnt get your shots you didnt attend. Of course ” in my day” we were just completing a polio epidemic and the polio vaccine was considered a miracle. We all had older friends , sisters and brothers suffering the ravages of polio and we saw the damage first hand.
        Not vaccinating your child works if you isolate the children and keep them in an isolated culture like the Amish society. If your child has any desire to see the world or interact with people of different cultures they will be exposed to preventable illnesses that are far more severe if caught in adult hood than caught as a child.
        Political correctness and civil liberties cries have given the evangelical antivaccine crusade life and energy. Can you imagine what would happen if smallpox reared its lethal head and the authorities called for quarantine and immunization? How many lives would we lose because so many individuals reading the internet feel they know better than tried and true public health measures?

        • Hannahoneybee

          Isolating isn’t always the best thing. Most things we vaccinate for are benign in children but dangerous if we get them as adults. Natural immunity lasts a lifetime, unlike immunity from vaccines. That’s why people used to have Chicken Pox parties.

          • Guest

            Back in the “good old days” when people used to have chickenpox parties, chickenpox infections required 10,000 hospitalizations and caused more than 100 deaths each year in the United States.

          • adh1729

            Vaccines, of course, have never caused morbidity or mortality.

    • Hannahoneybee

      You have always had the option to opt out. It might have seemed like you had no choice, but you did, just like you do, now.

  • freetorun

    “If you believe in vaccines” So you are admitting that it IS a belief system? There is now a host of independent research that indicates that vaccines are no where near as safe as you and the mainstream present. There is a mountain of evidence that vaccines, in fact, are harming, in the least, tens of thousands of children (most likely in the hundreds of thousands, because docs don’t investigate and report serious adverse events). I am wondering, Dr. McCarthy, if you would know a serious adverse event when you see it, or are you a denier too, and thus, a contributor to the damage that is being done to our children?

    What I have experienced in the real world is certainly something different than you present. Parents that watch their precious newborn baby swell up due to a bad reaction to the Hep B vaccine. That same baby then struggles to survive, the parents watch him slowly improve, then they had to watch him suffer and die after he was given the wrong antibiotic. Other parents, faithfully allow their perfectly healthy baby to be injected with vaccines at 18 months, only to have him scream for several days straight after, and then deteriorate, losing speech, the ability to walk, etc. The parents question the vaccines their child was given, asking for an investigation, asking for the doc to report it to VAERS, only the doctor, being convinced that vaccines are safe (in his belief system, because that IS what it IS), denies them both, telling them it couldn’t possibly be the vaccines. Still other parents, bring home their healthy, precious newborn, taking her to her to her 2 month check up with the doc, then the baby is injected with multiple vaccines. The baby screams through the night and spikes a high fever. The worried parents take her back to the doctor, and she is admitted to the hospital with encephalitis (inflammation of the brain). Later the parents are told that their daughter now has brain damage. The parents question the vaccines, the doctor tells them it was a coincidence, that it would have happened anyway. These parents go on to have another daughter, they believe their doctor and take this second daughter in for routine vaccinations, their second child develops encephalitis, and these parents watch as their second child dies. The doctor tells these parents it has to be a coincidence, because the vaccines are safe, the death report says the baby died of SIDS, and is NOT reported to VAERS.

    These all are real stories, these parents are in agony blaming themselves for allowing their babies to be damaged. The couple in the last story eventually got divorced, because of all the trauma that occurred. What would you say to these parents, Dr. McCarthy?

    If a child was given any other medication, and had a reaction within 24 to 48 hours, the doctor will immediately tell the parents to stop that medication. The same cannot be said of vaccines. The child has a bad reaction, and the doctor says it’s just a coincidence that the child was just vaccinated, correlation does not prove causation. And they continue to vaccinate the child, and, surprise, the child has an even worse reaction the second time.

    Why if vaccines are so safe, are the pharmaceutical companies protected from liability from the vaccines they make? Isn’t that dangerous? It allows them to do whatever they want, make a profit, and not have to answer for any damage their vaccines cause…

    Why do they have to put so many toxic chemicals into vaccines, and not have to prove that they are safe? Why are there never any double blind true placebo studies done? We should err on the side of safety, right, especially when it comes to protecting our innocent children.

    We are told, over and over, that correlation does not equal causation. I would say the same with the whole vaccination theory. That the low incidence of these infectious childhood diseases, does not mean that the vaccines actually work. There could be many other factors, right? It’s not proven.

    I challenge you, Doctor McCarthy, to research vaccines for yourself, look into the science behind vaccines, Look into the safety studies, see for yourself if they are adequate. Meet with parents that say their children have been damaged by vaccines, and investigate their claims, hear their pain, become human again…

    • Guest

      Thank you for presenting your anecdotal “evidence.” It’s pathetic and shameful that anyone living in a first world country would actually choose to eschew vaccines for their children. If you are comfortable with your child suffering diseases like whooping cough or measles, super! I choose better for my child.

      Vaccines are not without some risk, just as taking your children in a car is not without risk. Will you avoid driving so that your children can avoid the risk of harm that comes from driving a car?

      Perhaps you follow the teachings of Jenny McCarthy instead of Claire McCarthy? If so, that’s your right, but kindly keep your children far away from mine. Mine are vaccinated and doing great!

      • freetorun

        You are right, there is risk, either way. I have just done my homework, and have found there is a much greater risk in getting the vaccinations, than getting the disease themselves. Whooping Cough and measles is nothing compared to juvenile diabetes, seizures, encephalitis, autism, asthma, learning disabilities, Guillian Barre Syndrome, juvenile arthritis, MS, cancer, autoimmune diseases and death. (and these are only a few of the serious side effects listed in the vaccine inserts, and yes, autism IS listed in vaccine inserts)

        Healthy children recover from whooping cough and measles with a stronger immune system (catching the wild form of the disease has been connected with a much reduced risk of many cancers)…many of the chronic diseases I mentioned are life-long and debilitating. And don’t say those are rare, because no one knows the actual true incidence, because less than 10% of doctors actually report the bad side effects.

        I believe my choice is a better one! I feel it is negligent for parents NOT to do their own research. Because you and your child are the ones who have to live with the results.

        I follow the teachings of no one in particular. I stopped vaccinating my children long before Jenny McCarthy came on the scene. My oldest child (now almost 21) was vaccinated till she was 18 months, and she was constantly sick, ER visit after ER visit, the doctors giving her drugs that caused even more serious problems. I am glad we stopped the vaccines at 18 mos…it could be worse. My younger two are in their teens, and never vaccinated. Neither of them had even an ear infection by the time they were two. Neither of them are on any kind of medication, both are extremely healthy and intelligent, being at the top of their classes. Rarely are they ever sick.. Neither of them have any allergies.

        And I could say the same for you, keep your vaccinated kids away from mine. When children are vaccinated, they shed the virus for some time, and can infect others..;)

      • keithpr

        anonymous “guest”. Please explain the reason for toxins to exist in vaccines. Explain what happens when you give someone an overdose of mercury, formaldehyde, or aluminum sulfate.

        Let’s say I’m all for vaccines- Why can’t I order mine without those chemicals in them? Why can’t I just have the antigens without all the additives and preservatives? I’m willing to pay extra. I willing to pick them up from the factory. These companies stand no financial loss to offering these, so why won’t they? Culpability. Open your eyes man!

      • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

        This post is just so willfully ignorant it’s hard to ignore. Anyone who names Jenny McCarthy in this manner hasn’t even spent the time required to have a serious debate. Why don’t you read up on what she really said before sputtering out this stuff? And read what the her doctor co-author shared (I don’t follow Jenny, but watched her and a few doctors on CNN years ago). It’s a bunch of hooey you just posted:) It was an empty rant, and so obvious you haven’t even studied before reacting here. If you want to debate on an emotional level that’s fine, but you really need to study before jumping in and debating with blinders on or extremely limited information.

        Here’s a tip….you could have quoted Dr. Paul Offit. The doctor who made $29 million on his shot. He is pretty vocal about what idiots were are (and he likes to censor information). At least he admits there are injuries and he has a pony in the race. He doesn’t like high dose vitamins either among other things that bother him.

        Okay…how about you list the names of the research studied and who financed them? And please try to get an outside source instead of more bought and paid for. often bad science.

        I fully immunized three kids and not the other three. My research doctors think my daughter with cancer was better prepared for her surgery without the immunizations. My daughter with cancer got whooping cough. Where? From her immunized coworkers. She works in physical therapy and the old folks were fine, the younger PT’s and aids got it. She had just drank a huge dose of radiation and her immune system was beat. Why did the others get it when they were immunized?

      • Remedios Moscote

        I 100% agree with you but, honestly, there is no point in reasoning with these anti-vaxxers. They exist in a fact free zone.

        • ccdaddy

          Go do your own research, come back and if you still love vaccines. I will be more than happy, to rip your argument to shreds.

          Vaccines, cannot be intellectually defended.

          • Tom

            You can’t even compose a sentence in proper English. You write like an over-emotional 12-year-old girl. You are hardly in a position to be “intellectually defending” anything.

          • Guest

            I have to admit, it doesn’t exactly look like the anti-vaccination lobby sent over their “A” team here.

        • Guest

          I loathe debating with these anit-vaxxers. They have no clue about science and are so fanatical about their beliefs there’s no reasoning with them. Better to keep them at arm’s length. Look at the raving here – this is what you see on every board discussing vaccines.

          • Tom

            Yep. I appreciate the sentiment behind Dr McCarthy’s original post, but there really is no reasoning with these people. “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.” They’re caught up in some sort of weird shadowy world where everything is a conspiracy and they’re the only ones who know the “TRUTH!!!11!!!!”. You can’t win.

          • Hannahoneybee

            Because you can’t win an argument with someone more knowledgable than you doesn’t make them a fanatic.

          • Guest

            You think chickenpox requires antibiotics. Your medical and scientific knowledge is pretty low-grade.

      • ccdaddy

        California just said 87% that got the whooping cough, was fully vaccinated. 11 % were partially vaccinated,
        and only 8 percent were non vaccinated.

        They admitted, that recent out breaks of whooping cough. Were not! due to the non vaccinated.

        That’s happening, all over the world! Not just here, the truth is coming out. Vaccines are responsible, for the abysmal health of the American children.

        It appears by the emerging science,that you are dead wrong, and if you vaccinated your children. You have pumped them, full of Heavy Metals and toxins for apparently no benefit. What’s in 1 vaccine,you cannot legally flush down the toilet. Into, the city sewer system.

        In-fact, it appears the more vaccinated you are the more likely you are to get the very disease.

        You were vaccinated,against. That’s Insane!

        I was watching a show, on Caligula Roman Emperor . They said his demise( Insanity )was due to 29,000 ppb
        of lead in the wine. The scientist that found that said WOW! 29,000 ppb that huge! He said it is packed with lead. Really, the children, who weigh far less. Were given 32,500 ppb of Vaccineal Mercury. In on day!

        You cannot defend this,it’s impossible. unless, you are willing to commit Intellectual suicide. Or you are busy, trying to save your Golden Retirement Parachutes. Deeply invested in Pharma vaccines. That have destroyed, an entire generation of American children.

        A child playing CDC AAP catch up on vaccines, just got 32,500 ppb of Mercury on one day at one point in time.

        Vaccineal Mercury, is more toxic than the lead. By far!

        This vaccineal Mercury,crosses the BBB easier than than does the fish Mercury. And it readily,crosses the placental barrier also. So says, the FDA’s Dr Sliker
        and that was in the 90′s. So you really want to defend this insanity of injecting children with Toxins that cannot legally be flushed into the sewer?

        If you are paid, you’ll keep doing it. If you have any sense, you will stop pumping your children with Toxins and Heavy Metals you cannot legally cannot flush down the sewer. You really need to stop, at this point you just look stupid defending this insanity of destroying American children.

        • a mom

          you too—- nastiness is not helpful. no one says, “gosh, i really wanted to vaccinate, but some anonymous poster on the internet told me doing so would make me a shitty parent so now i won’t.” try to keep it respectfully passionate instead of hurtfully degrading.

      • a mom

        glad your kids are doing great. why the nastiness towards those who made a different choice? we all choose what we believe is best for our children, and there are educated, conscientious people making a variety of choices here.

        • Guest

          Because it’s dangerous, and it’s frightening how many people out there don’t realize it. I’m so glad that couple in Australia spoke up about how they refused to vaccinate their son and he ended up intubated in the ICU gravely ill. People who don’t choose to vaccinate their children are risking their children’s lives, and they are so proud of it!

          • Hannahoneybee

            What if they did vaccinate and the kid became gravely ill from that? That happens, too, more than you seem to think.

          • Noni

            They did NOT, and their child became ill. The “what ifs” are moot.

      • Hannahoneybee

        Right, why believe someone who actually experienced the reaction firsthand. That’d be nuts.

    • keithpr

      ADHD, ADD, Autism, Aspergers, OCD, etc… the list goes on and on. All related. All vaccine and environmental-pollution related.

      Your number in the hundreds of thousands are low. They are in the tens of millions in the USA and probably over a billion world-wide.

    • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

      quote: What I have experienced in the real world is certainly something
      different than you present. Parents that watch their precious newborn
      baby swell up due to a bad reaction to the Hep B vaccine.

      Alice: I tried not to post, but when I reread this it was just a wow. What are you in a third world country posting? Just how many babies have you personally watched with Hep B? I mean really for the gals who clicked on “Like” I tend to think they have an agenda not real facts here (playing out a type of Florence Nightingale of the vaccine set?). Look at the stats. What are all the babies (you used plural) in your view that were struggling? How many have you personally watched and those who click away on your post without ever stopping to question the validity of what you are saying? And yet they tell us we are delusional. Amazing…truly amazing!

      You may want to hop over to VAERS or elsewhere and see what happens when a child reacts to that vaccine.

  • Suzi Q 38

    I am 57 and just got my first Zostavax vaccine.
    I had a case of the shingles in 2011 after my hysterectomy.
    My PCP did not order the vaccine for me, only the oral drug.
    The CDC recommends that we get the vaccine at age 50-59.
    This is somewhat new.
    My neurologist is guessing that part of my spinal stenosis problem could be viral.
    Is this vaccine going to help me at all, or am I just hoping that it will guard against a return of the shingles?

    • SBornfeld

      Suzi–
      We had an infectious disease specialist at our study club and he mentioned the CDC was going to lower the recommended age for shingles vaccine from 60 to 50, but I don’t see this reflected on the CDC website as yet. Do you have a reference?

      • Suzi Q 38

        Hi Dr. Bornfeld,

        I found the link.
        It is on the CDC website. Here is the link:http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/shingles/hcp-vaccination.htm#recommendations.

        Look under “Recommendations.”
        Then look under “Vaccines, age 50-59.”

        • SBornfeld

          Thanks–I should learn to read down the page. ;-)
          Either way, I’m in the target group.

          • Suzi Q 38

            Good.
            I had to get an RX from my PCP, then call around for a pharmacist to order it for me. My insurance covered it, and the cost was about $250.00.

            It was delivered to the pharmacy in a frozen temperature box, and they kept it in their freezer (and saved all the frozen discs and box for transporting) until my PCP agreed to see me.

            I had to make a few phone calls to arrange all of this.

            I hope it was worth it.

          • SBornfeld

            Interesting. A year or two ago my brother inquired, and for some reason it was NOT covered by insurance. Can’t remember if he wound up buying it. It’s not 100% effective by any means (and seems to be less effective as you get older) but from what little I know about post-herpetic neuralgia, I really should get this taken care of.

          • Suzi Q 38

            Yes. If I had the chance to do it all again, I would have wanted a more proactive PCP to talk me into getting one…just in case. Problem is, he didn’t know about the lowered age range. This was approved in March 2011, and I had my hysterectomy and subsequent shingles in February and March 2011. It wasn’t on the doctor’s “radar.”
            I realize that there is a 50% chance that the shingles virus could return and do more damage, but I will not take chances.

            $250.00 is cheap compared to spinal stenosis and demyelination due to transverse myelitis or MS.

            No one would have dreamed that this could be the culprit, but it is a possibility. I also had mechanical damage in my c-spine, but the shingles did not help matters.

            I urge you and others to get proactive about getting this vaccine.

            Good Luck.

      • Suzi Q 38
        • Guest

          It wasn’t removed. It’s just that all comments with links in them get caught up in the moderation/spam queue. Sigh.

  • Noni

    My children are immunized of course. Both are healthy and happy. I understand vaccines are not risk free, but nothing in life is. Parenting is all about making difficult choices for your kids. Doing everything I can to protect them from preventable disease is the least I can do.

    • keithpr

      Getting a child vaccinated is like playing a game of roulette with a six-shooter, where 5 chambers have a magic bullet that stops them from getting sick (as much) as they normally would, and one chamber has a real bullet that will disable them for the rest of their lives.

      You chose to play that game, glad your child got the magic bullet. I played, not knowing any better- and my kid got wrecked for life.

      • SBornfeld

        Care to elaborate?

      • Remedios Moscote

        So you’re saying that 1/6 children who are vaccinated will become disabled for the rest of their lives? Demonstrably untrue nonsense.

        • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

          You haven’t made the connection? You must have been vaccinated! Ha! Oh teasing…but if the evidence is in that there are environmental problems causing autism why is it such a stretch to carry that same proven theory over to vaccines?

          • ccdaddy

            It’s Not! allowed!

          • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

            Well…unfortunately it is. If your post is flagged three times Disqus deletes it ( at least they did)

          • EE Smith

            If a comment is deleted through user flagging, it says “comment deleted”. Take off your tin foil hat.

        • ccdaddy

          Fact! The CDC (not us!) put the numbers, at 1 in 50 children and 1 in 31 boys. Now, are effected by Autism. Demonstrably True!

        • keithpr

          it was an analogy- you can play stupid, or be stupid, but neither will equate to honest discussion or promote the truth.

        • Suzi Q 38

          I agree.
          I only have anecdotal results from my neighborhood sample.
          Almost every child got vaccinated.
          No one had any problems, thank goodness.

          • Hannahoneybee

            I have an anecdote. My neighbor’s son was fine, he got shots, he stopped talking. She had a baby, the baby was fine. She really wrestled with whether she should get the younger child vaccinated. She did, and then that kid got sick, too. I’m not saying that it’s connected, just what i saw my neighbor go through. Draw your own conclusions.
            I don’t know how the kids are now. I moved. they might be better, but they both got sick after they got shots.

        • EE Smith

          They’re not even scientifically or mathematically literate enough to understand how ridiculous their claims are.

          • Hannahoneybee

            Is someone paying you to babble insultingly? Because if you are working for the vaccine company, you aren’t helping them. You’re just being a jerk but not presenting a good case.

        • Hannahoneybee

          How many autistic kids were there before the eighties? Hardly any. Now they have their own schools and teachers. i am not saying there’s a connection, but autism did rise at the same rate vaccines did.

      • ccdaddy

        Getting a child vaccinated, is like playing a losing game of Russian roulette with a six-shooter,with 31 chambers with 1 of the 31 bullets creating a dependent child for life. If it’s a boy.

        Feeling lucky?

      • Guest

        “Getting a child vaccinated is like playing a game of roulette with a six-shooter, where 5 chambers have a magic bullet that stops them from getting sick (as much) as they normally would, and one chamber has a
        real bullet that will disable them for the rest of their lives.”

        You are claiming that there is a one in six chance that any given child will be totally and permanently incapacitated from any given vaccine. In other words, one out of six vaccinated people who have been vaccinated are now basically vegetables.

        Do you not even have awareness enough to understand how stupid you sound?

        • keithpr

          So you are arguing over the semantics of the math involved in the analogy instead of the analogy itself. It’s a freeking analogy, not a scientific study. I see why you are doing this. It’s a natural reaction to spastically overstate my position to make me look like the moron here. It’s still roulette, just maybe with a 50-shooter. Oh wait- the 1 in 50 number is JUST autism, add in CP, and a few others.. and what’s the number? Oh wait again., the 1 in 50 number is a year old.. what’s the new number? By the time they publish it, it will also have changed again, and so far, since the inception of autism, it’s only gone ONE WAY, same with CP and other “afflictions”.. so what is that final number? Let’s be conservative and place it at 1 in 30. You would take a 1 in 30 risk on you and your child’s futures?? You are sick. Sick to mock me for trying to help people, and sick for suggesting that it’s ok to put your own kids, or anyone elses at risk. Mock me all you want, but this is the truth, and one day you will eat your words.

        • keithpr

          how many autistic this year? how many next year? You are arguing semantics while toxic chemicals continue to destroy our infants. Mock me all you want, but you will sooner than later eat your words. 1 in 50 last year, and that’s just austim! How many this year? How many next year? How long before it IS 1 in 6? Note the accelleration in incidences from year to year. Maybe 8-10 years? Imagine society when 1 in 6 people are drooling retarded people. Society WILL collapse and they will be systematically destroyed as a method of survival. I’m sorry to see that’s perfectly acceptable to you. I’d rather see it get addressed now TYVM

        • Bhai_Mian

          Apparently Not

    • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

      “Dong everything I can to protect them from preventable disease is the least I can do.”

      Holy cow if it worked the way you think it does without all the repercussions this thread has provided who wouldn’t? The least you can do?

      Have you studied the history of vaccines? Studied what bringing sanitation and modern medicine to the problem does? Looked at the government chart about certain diseases going down before the shots? Studied the difference in the ways to give your child the polio drink, etc.?

      Surely, studying is the least you can do for your child before signing a waiver that gives a doctor carte blanche to possibly your child.

      • ccdaddy

        Bravo!!!!!!

      • Hannahoneybee

        Blindly following a doctor’s advice IS the least people can do.

    • ccdaddy

      Remember, it was just a few months ago ABC’s Dr Oz was worried about 30 ppb of Arsenic in the apple juice.

      His concerns and suspicions were proven correct,by consumer reports. Now, people are calling (including the FDA) for some regulation of apple juice and toxins.

      ( Arsenic is a lesser Toxin ),by 500 times what was injected into our kids [ Vaccineal Mercury ] That BTW, by passes all the body’s filtering organs.

      That’s real rich, the same FDA that was misleading ABC’s Dr.Besser, by as Dr. Besser admitted on ABC world news.

      [ by giving him, incorrect facts ]. Is now calling, for some regulation.

      And were told,” that ” were! misleading the public ???

      That act of deception, can be looked at in two ways. Either, they FDA were ignorantly & criminally incompetent. Or, the FDA was trying purposely to deceive ABC’s Dr.Besser
      and this Nations people.

      The people, there suppose to. And, being paid to serve.

      Below, is a portion of the actual transcript of ABC’s Dr.Besser taking a well deserved beating. It appears, Dr. Besser like many others spoke out without doing their own homework.

      That, happens a lot these days. I am amazed, that the parents of the vaccine injured know more about the Autism epidemic.

      Than, the so called experts.

      But ,never! do we see someone admit on a news program. That, they were wrong. It usually, just doesn’t ever happen.

      It makes you wonder, if Dr. Oz might have demanded his retraction. And he got it!

      From the transcript.

      Diann Sawyer, the anchor of ABC world news. Asked ABC’s Dr Besser, “did it make you mad (Dr. Besser) going into battle with insufficient incorrect facts from the FDA? Bessers reply was “Oh! yeah,what bothers me most is that when Memit and I spoke before the information I had, was from the FDA was incorrect. He turns to Dr Oz, and says. you were right!

      Kuddo’s Dr. Besser, for admitting you were dead wrong! And by admitting, you were wrong. You have cornered your self, on the Mercury in the children’s vaccines issue. Like a trapped Rat. I just hope for the children’s sake, that you have the integrity & the Guts to admit it. But personally, i’m not going to hold my breath, till you do.

      What, was Dr. Oz right about?

      That the ingested Arsenic, in as little as 30 ppb in apple juice. Was harmful, for long term and short term health effects for our kids. And, that it was also the Inorganic type as Dr.Besser had called it, [the bad Arsenic] as he Dr.OZ in his research had found.

      If this question, I posed below were answered under oath

      [with hand on Bible] truthfully in a Congressional hearing. Heads, would roll. In the AAP CDC FDA WHO.

      The headlines would read,that Multitudes of children were put in harms way. And an end result, an epidemic that will cost the tax payers trillions! For lifelong care cost.

      So, if 30 ppb of a lesser [ingested] toxin is a long and short term health concern. That needs, to be immediately addressed.

      What is tens of thousands of ppb’s, of a greater toxin vaccineal [injected mercury] that by passes the body’s filtering organs?

      And this vaccineal mercury,it has the express ability to cross the BBB. The vaccineal mercury that’s given within hours of the first breath. That a newborn takes?

      MSDS of the Mercury based preservative Thimerosal states “if you are exposed to Thimerosal, any future exposures to any Mercury may cause mercury poisoning.

      For all you MD’s PH’Ds AAP CDC FDA that first exposure sets the stage for the damage we are seeing. The perfect storm of adding to the first exposure,that causes the damage they say does not exist.

      MSDS Manufacturer’s (Material Safety Data Sheet) states what thousands of PPB’s of injected mercury is. “pregnant women are never supposed to be exposed to Thimerosal, for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild to severe mental retardation” That’s verbatim, what the Manufacturer of Thimerosal says about their product.

      Seems that the medical community, that’s pushing Thimerosal loaded flu vaccines in pregnant women. Evidently didn’t get that important internal memo. And that’s why,some baby’s are born Autistic. Verstreaten work, that the CDC FDA AAP had met to discuss at Simpson wood was “if a child receives 62.5 micro grams of thimerosal by age 6 mos that child has a 2.48 times risk of receiving ADD ADHD Speech Delay or Autism.

      Doing the math, 2.00 is legal they were .48 0ver they knew they were in trouble. Lets add 2 Rogams, and two flu shots. That’s
      another 100 micro-grams, before the the child has been born.

      what is the risk, of another 100 micro-grams that’s being passed from mother to baby? At a Congressional hearing, on Vaccines as a cause for Autism.

      A CDC person said (11 times risk) when asked what’s the risk?
      by the Congressman. He said it, with his head hung down in a whisper. 11 times Congressman.

      As the well known, and respected Dr Neil Halsey said “nobody calculated, the mercury” He said “if it had been written in micro-grams the mistake would have not been made.

      I really wish, I could get pregnant for just 1 day. So I could ask an OB,GYN Doc. Why would you, want to inject something into my body that the manufacturer says will cross my placenta and go into my baby and cause my child to have mild to severe Mental retardation???? The follow up question, to that. Would be, are you freaking Insane ????

      I believe, he would have to take the fifth.

      Mild, ADD, ADHD, Speech Delay,

      Severe, Autism, Bipolar, Anorexia,

      Official answer is, sadly it’s AAP recommended. And, considered FDA and CDC certified Safe? Again, not at all possible. And the sad thing is, they know it.

    • Suzi Q 38

      I did the same, Dr. Noni.
      I went ahead with the vaccinations.
      The are now 27 and 29, and healthy.

      • Noni

        Hi Suzi. I have an uncle who is paralyzed from polio (born and raised in a 3rd world country). I am forever struck by a crying immunocompromised child I saw in medical school who had shingles. Again, I do appreciate that vaccines are not risk free. For me and my family, however, there was no option but TO vaccinate.

        I hope the anti-vaxxers in here can respect MY choices.

    • Suzi Q 38

      A year and a half ago, I talked our son into getting the Gardisil series of vaccinations. I hope I did the right thing.
      I told him to check with his doctor.
      What if his partners did not get the vaccine?
      Our daughter had gotten the series on her own in college.
      I hope that it is successful in staving away HPV.

  • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

    I did want to add that an immunologist wrote a book that was published last year. For those who want the truth beyond BigPharma it’s highly documented. It’s called Vaccine Illusions or you could read Vaccine Epidemic (both books have really interesting comments and some from high ranking people like Dr. Bernadine Healy [former NIH and Red Cross leader] and a head of a vaccine study, plus some other testimonies. I think the comments are worth reading through at Amazon, and Dr. Russell Blaylock the neurosurgeon breaks it down well too).

  • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

    This was the best answer from any doctor who posted here. You at least think and study about it.

    Yes, I can get you the Gardasil info. I used to have a link of high interest of evidence based info about Gardasil, but I need a real computer to look stuff up (cell phone posting if I am out and about and off the top of my head isn’t that great…but I love debate when it’s done well like your post here.

    Your last link is scary but I don’t predict that with modern medicine. I thought cleanliness was our best defense?

    • SBornfeld

      Against polio?

      • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

        Yes! You already know how vital sanitation is in disease prevention but there is a government chart that shows polio was already coming down before the polio vaccine…and way down…almost in half (not that the vaccine doesn’t deserve wide praise…but so does sanitation. Just look at what doctors washing their hands has did to prevent death. Hard to believe they didn’t always do that).

        Here is a snippet of interest from an MD:

        In the 1950s, there were 20,000 cases of polio annually
        causing more than 1,000 deaths(4); many more thousand victims were left
        in iron lungs. This was caused because of the predilection of the polio
        virus for the anterior horn cells of the spinal cord and consequent paralysis
        of the respiratory muscles. But, what is less known, and this is quite disconcerting
        to me, is that between 1923-1953, before the Salk (dead virus) vaccine was
        discovered in 1955, the polio death rate in the U.S. and England declined
        on its own by 47 percent and 55 percent, respectively.(5) This is not reported
        or discussed by the public health establishment but, it seems, only by independent
        researchers (see figure 1); neither is the fact that European countries,
        which didn’t systematically immunize their citizens, also experienced a
        precipitous decline in their polio morbidity and mortality statistics.

        And yet, between 1951-1954, before immunization, there were still more
        than 16,000 cases of polio and nearly 1,900 deaths. It was not until 1991
        that polio was virtually eradicated from the U.S. and other nations of the
        Western Hemisphere. There is no question that in this case better hygiene
        and sanitation and better living conditions were bringing down the number
        of cases of polio, but the vaccine itself, finally, was probably responsible
        for dispatching the final blows to the disease.

        Today the disease has been completely eradicated, except for the fact
        that with the advent of the Sabin (live virus) vaccine in 1959, there had
        been iatrogenic cases of polio (up to 8 cases per year) that had developed
        due to activation and infection by the live oral polio virus in the vaccine.
        Due to this fact, in June 1999, the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics
        (AAP) began advising doctors to use the Salk (dead virus) injected vaccine
        rather than the oral vaccine containing the live virus.(6)

  • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

    About the flu vaccine, I know I brought this up but it just fascinates me that doctors gave this shot out with such assurances and Cochrane did the research the doctors didn’t. You probably read the report there? That vaccine was useless. But I am having trouble posting links. A post about a fabulous Cleveland Clinic doctor who did the trials on Avandia and recorded the BigPharma execs and the outcome of the ability to disseminate data is sorta thrilling. But how do you get BigPharma to cough up the stuff (as Attorney General Spitzer did….that case is amazing the horrible stuff that was buried amidst what seemed like millions of words).

    Anyhoo……to back up what you shared about the flu vaccine.
    A snippet:
    A remarkable study published in the Cochrane Library found no evidence
    of benefit for influenza vaccinations. It’s also damns the quality of
    flu vaccine studies by saying that the vast majority of trials were
    inadequate. The authors stated that the only ones showing benefit were
    industry-funded. They also pointed out that the industry-funded studies
    were more likely to be published in the most prestigious journals … and
    one more thing: They found cases of severe harm caused by the vaccines,
    in spite of inadequate reporting of adverse effects.>

  • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

    I gave the answer on Gardasil and it went “poof”:) I am sure it will find it’s way back, but it’s right in this article at CBS News (I think the links go whacky here). Here is the main quote from the researcher who worked directly with the development of Gardasil. Look up the story at CBS News; Gardasil Researcher Speaks Out. It’s well worth reading…that is if you can stand a recommendation from a flamin’ imbecile nutcase:)

    snippet: Dr. Harper joins a number of consumer watchdogs, vaccine safety
    advocates, and parents who question the vaccine’s risk-versus-benefit
    profile. She says data available for Gardasil shows that it lasts five
    years; there is no data showing that it remains effective beyond five
    years.

    • SBornfeld

      In the long run, the data may bear that out. I don’t know Dr. Harper, but she seems to be a decidedly minority opinion. It’s only been approved in the U.S. since about 2006, so more long-term data will become available.
      I’ve raised the same question with my doctors regarding HepB vaccine, since antibody titers decline over time. The upshot is it’s still believed that boosters are not thought to be required. It (like HPV vaccine) is a 3-dose series. It’s been in clinical use now about 30 years.

      • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

        There is a lot more out there in published literature. I just got home and it’s almost midnight, so I am not sure if I will have time to find it (and who knows if I will remember it tomorrow). But it’s a definite whether it’s convenient or not is a problem with medical types who sorta seem to still be in their Clockwork Orange mode! Ha! Sorry I have a British sardonic humor that only people who know me in person appreciate. It’s my way of dealing with the sorta uncomfortable silence in the room.

        But then again…what if I send you proof? I honestly sorta think you wouldn’t believe it?

        Is it worth trying? I do like your posts because you seem a bit more able to reason rather than the usual rigid dogma we get. And I guess, ultimately, I am just sooo curious if doctors want the truth? It really doesn’t overall appear to be that way. Is that because of the type of medical school mind think? Where free thinkers are flunked? I am hoping that will change. Actually, it HAS changed for a slim percentage. I gotta say some of the research doctors at Cleveland Clinic are just fantastic and we have delightful debates. They aren’t keen on the shots and that just fuels my fire:)

  • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

    I posted the PubMed and the Annals of Medicine links on Gardasil wearing off, etc. and they appear to have been vaccinated or an immunity formed:). I will try to find them and repost (or, oddly sometimes they just come back…like a virus:). It is good to keep copies of posts here because there is a censorship segment that can delete your posts. Keep them just incase. Last time a doctor did it, so just repost so the censors can’t win:)

    • Guest

      “there is a censorship segment that can delete your posts”

      No, it’s just that if you put a link in, your comment gets caught up in the filter until it can be personally approved.

      Good grief.

  • no flu shot

    I believed in vaccines until I almost died from a flu shot in 2005. Doctors and Vaccine Court agreed all of my health problems were caused by the shot. If vaccines are so safe and effective, would Dr. McCarthy give up her immunity for damages caused by the shots. That would have cost her $350,000+ for my medical bills due to the flu shot, 24 days in the hospital, 6 months of physical therapy to learn to walk again, lost wages.

  • Mike Tara McMillan

    Vaccines cause Autism- why would I believe in something that causes more problems than good? Autism is listed in the tripedia package insert — as a side effect…..

    • mmer

      The Wakefield study was redacted because he was a fraud, you do know that, right? Even after thimerosal was removed from pediatric vaccines, the incidence of autism still went up, you do know that right?

      • Hannahoneybee

        The Wakefield study wasn’t originally about vaccines. He discovered the connection by accident. The problem authorities had was with the size of the study, but they didn’t dispute the facts.

        • mmer

          No, it was fraud.

          Wakefield, misrepresented or altered the medical histories of all 12 of the patients whose cases formed the basis of the 1998 study.

          He was stripped of his license. You don’t get stripped of your medical license by not having a large enough sample size.

          • Hannahoneybee

            No, he didn’t.

          • Guest

            Yes, he did! It’s common knowledge – just type his name into google. He is a fraud and a joke.

          • GT

            He is a fraud and a joke and worse — he has blood on his hands. What a travesty of science.

  • SBornfeld

    Thanks for this. Dr. Harper seems to be doing the kind of risk/benefit analysis that is favored by the United States Preventive Services Taskforce. The USPSTF reviews available literature and issues guidelines; these are changed from time to time as new information becomes available. They are better known for their recommendations regarding screening tests such as PSA, PAP, mammography, colonoscopy, etc.

    I do not know if their current recommendations include HPV vaccine; if they do not, they will for sure (whether it is thumbs up, down, or sideways).
    Dr. Harper’s position that the HPV vaccine is only effective for 5 years is apparently based on measured antibody titers; as I said, this is an issue I raised with several doctors many years ago regarding the Hb vaccine. The feeling is that this does not matter–based on what is called an “anamnestic response”.
    This may or may not be true; no point in explaining unless it has actually been tested–and I should look to see if it has–for both vaccines. It is more likely to have been done on Hb vaccine, based simply on its far longer time on the market.
    If I find any relevant references, I will post them.
    I should point out that I am not an immunologist–just a humble dentist (whose daughter has gone through the Gardasil series). Dr. Harper is not an immunologist either (she is an OB-GYN)–which doesn’t mean she is unqualified to comment on the risks of the vaccine. But she should hopefully have an informed opinion about the immunologic questions (as anamnesis).
    There may not be one answer–and whatever one’s position now, we have to keep an open mind as more clinical information becomes available.

    • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

      Did you see I posted a link to the newer book Vaccine Illusions from an immunologist with much more research than I posted here. You may like it.

    • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

      I posted the information for you again and it says it’s in moderation. Not sure why adding links ends a post up in moderation. I will check again because it’s an interesting article asking if the HPV vaccine is at odds with evidence based medicine and a link to you can follow to show it needs boosters (they say it’s based on Merck’s own research). Hey just call Merck and ask that’s what my friend did about some things she didn’t believe online (it was time consuming and I don’t think she’s ever been the same:)

  • Charise Davis Cole

    I have a child on the spectrum and we did not vaccinate. He has not had one single needle hit his body, nor did I when he was in utero (and three years prior). I do not believe vaccines alone can cause autism, but I think they invite dysbiosis in children that are unhealthy to begin with, which in turn causes autism. My son was a c-section baby and had six doses of antibiotics up to 12 months. He had no good gut flora to begin with and then we decimated all that was left. It was at about 15 months that we started to see the digression. He was typically developing in every way up until that time! We did have our son tested for metals and he tested high for aluminum and mercury with trace amounts of lead. I can only assume he got those from me in utero from my past vaccines as well as amalgam fillings. Despite the fact that it was not vaccines that injured him, I still have NO desire to put any more garbage into his body. I would rather work on building his immune system and let him build immunity to various diseases the natural way. 30+ years ago when I was a child, we were taken to the neighbor’s house to play in order contract chicken pox, measles, mumps, etc. Back then you never heard of people dying from those diseases, and I am wondering how much vaccines have had a part in the intensity and devastation of so many of these diseases today and the fact that more vaccines need to be added to schedule in order to “keep kids safe”. I will say that we have treated our son bio-medically and he is nearly recovered. I think the fact that we did not vaccinate him has allowed him to heal faster than other people’s children who were fully vaccinated.

    • ccdaddy

      The children in the 90′s were given, up to 160 times what the EPA considers their standard for Liquid Hazardous Waste of Mercury set at 200 ppb. To see how large in scale,that this

      massive screw up was. The Hep-b that was given at birth, had thousands of ppb in that one vaccine.

      Here’s a perfect example, of the amount mercury, from a credible source. A Neurologist,and a US.Congressman.

      I will follow up, with freedom of information act emails. That are from the FDA, and the CDC. That prove, they found the mistake of over exposing the children to Mercury. Circled the wagons, at a secrete meeting of the FDA CDC AAP WHO and all the vaccine makers with a stake in this massive screw up!

      and they decided to lie! straight faced. Without flinching.

      They all met, at the Simpson Wood retreat. They discussed,

      a researchers findings, and how they would all be in a very bad

      position of defending lawsuits against American children. That is, with the current science that was available. And the lead Dr. said ” I am concerned ” Here is whats wrong with this,he was only concerned that the vaccine injured would clean their clock in a real court. At that meeting, this man that was in charge. He never once, mentioned any concern for the possibly vaccine injured over exposed to Mercury American children. The very children, they were entrusted with. Only the fact,that they would most certainly lose in a court of law. Came to mind.

      Some children received,such as Hannah Poling the daughter of Neurologist Dr. John Poling. And Congressman Dan Burton’s grandson,got 9 vaccines on one day at one setting at one point in time. As Indiana Congressman Dan Burton put it, 7 of those vaccines sadly had contained the mercury. 2 days later,like Dr Poling’s daughter 2 N/T children born perfectly healthy now had Autism.

      Facts are facts that meeting,became a how do we cover this up day.

      Continued next post.

      • Guest

        If it was a SECRETE [sic] meeting, how come you know so much about it?

        Your tinfoil hat is too tight. It’s cutting off circulation to your brain.

        • ccdaddy

          This is one can of worms,you will wish you never had opened. But,only if you have a conscience and any integrity.

          We know about this meeting, because of a letter that was written to their own committee. Where they are trying to explain, how they had stripped out all of the bad findings. That had been revealed, at that meeting at Simpson Wood.

          We know, by the first lines in the letter. That their intent, was to hide the worse and most damaging findings. And what’s shocking is, that they were willing deceive their [ OWN ] committee. On an issue of this importance.

          Question for you,how can you trust anything these people ever say again. If they were willing,to hide their true findings????? of our children being (massively) over exposed to a Mercury based preservative they used in their vaccine program. At 160 times, what the EPA considers their standard for Liquid Hazardous Waste for Mercury?

          If you play fair and do not lie, you cannot defend this insanity. It is impossible, that is
          if Mercury is still considered an IQ lowering neural-toxic brain altering compound.

          Before I give proof, the ball is in your court.

          Can you trust people who would hide their findings, causing children to suffer??????

        • EE Smith

          The Simpsonwood Retreat thing has been fully debunked. RFK Jr. is a loon. Your friend ccdaddy is getting all of his “scientific evidence” from Salon and Rolling Stone magazines.

          http: //skeptico.blogs. com/skeptico/2005/06/robert_f_kenned. html

          http: //oracknows.blogspot. com/2005/06/skeptico-reads-simpsonwood-transcript. html

          • Hannahoneybee

            Rolling Stone is probably the most careful publication there is when it comes to fact checking.

    • Guest

      This post terrifies me. There are so many ignorant statements in here I wouldn’t even know where to start. Many people suffered grave complications from varicella despite your claim that “back then you never heard of people dying from those diseases.” Your ignorance does not equal scientific data.

      And do you really believe your son tested high for aluminum and mercury because YOU were vaccinated as a child? Good God.

      Your idiotic post got 20 up-votes. That’s horrific.

      • Charise Davis Cole

        Noni, people did NOT start having severe complications from varicella back 30+ years ago. Its only been since the introduction of the vaccine that people required hospitalization, and many of those who are hospitalized had the vaccine. Most vaccine inserts actually state that they won’t prevent contraction of the disease.

        And yes, your child can receive your metal burden when pregnant. Your body does not eliminate heavy metals. It stores in in fatty tissues like the brain and your organs. There are numerous studies on it. Just look in JAMA and several will come up!

        I am sorry you are upset by my statement, but my son is living proof of the damage of heavy metals. Thankfully, we did plenty of research and worked hard to pull those metals from his body and he is doing phenomenal.

        We visited several doctors when our son was newly diagnosed who told us that our son might not ever talk and that we should sign up for disability now because there is a long waiting list. Had I listened to them, and just assumed it was genetic or some neurological condition like most doctors “think” it is, I would have nothing good to report and my son would most likely require institutionalization as an adult. But my son is talking in full sentences now, plays with his toys appropriately, has stellar eye contact, plays with his friends and I can tell you for a FACT that this time a year ago none of that was the case. And I will also add our son has had SEVERAL genetic tests. NOTHING comes up!

        You are welcome to your opinion, but there are tons of moms like me that are seeing recovery because we are NOT doing what the mainstream medical community tells us we should do. In fact, most of what is recovering our son is stated to be “ineffective” on Quackwatch. Which tells me someone else is the real and true “Quack”. It’s moms like me that are making a difference and keeping one more child from joining our ranks and adding to the horrific statistic that is now 1/50. And no, its not because better diagnosing. Both our son’s pediatrician’s missed it. I am the one who diagnosed our son early on, and thankfully I pushed for them to test him. Lord knows where I’d be now if I just accepted their statement of, “he’s just fine”, or “just wait”.

        Again, you are welcome to your opinion, but that won’t change the fact that you are wrong. My son is living proof of the damage of those metals and that what most doctors suggest as “appropriate” treatment for children on the spectrum (namely just therapy) is ineffective on its own. Rarely will you ever hear a recovery story where a child just did therapy. The ones that are recovering their kids are going the bio-medical route and are seeing success.

        Good luck to you if you continue to vaccinate yourself and your family. Hopefully you will not be joining me and the thousands of other moms that are frantically working to recover our kids. I pray you don’t. It’s not something I would wish on my worst enemy.

        • EE Smith

          “Noni, people did NOT start having severe complications from varicella back 30+ years ago

          This is unmitigated bull.

          At the time the Varicella vaccination was introduced into the United States, over 150 people died every year from Chickenpox and over 11,000 people were hospitalized annually.

          http: //pediatrics.aappublications. org/content/early/2011/07/21/peds.2010-3385

          • Hannahoneybee

            Everyone I know had chicken pox and none of them went to the hospital. Were the people who died in America?

      • EE Smith

        21 votes, now. There are a lot of stupid people out there. Scary.

  • http://warmsocks.wordpress.com/ WarmSocks

    So true that people turn to friends for advice on whether or not to vaccinate kids. After talking with their doctors, people come to me for advice on whether or not to vaccinate their kids. I finally wrote on my blog about why I had my kids vaccinated: Vaccines, Vaccine Safety, and one specific to polio. Now I refer my friends there instead of repeating myself over and over again.

    • ccdaddy

      You might want to research the Polio vaccine, you want like what you find. I assure you,the facts are it’s doing more harm than good.

      • http://warmsocks.wordpress.com/ WarmSocks

        I have researched the polio vaccine. If you have credible data for people to look at, provide the links. Provide reliable data to refute what’s presented in the seven links I provided on my blog post about polio. Waving your hands in the air and telling people to do some research is not the same thing as documenting what you claim to be facts.

        • Hannahoneybee

          The guy who invented it said it also caused some cases of Polio. A lot.

    • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

      Your blog has misinformation and you deleted a few of my posts…. even inane stuff for people who choose different paths than you. You just censor which isn’t a good way to get to the truth. I do believe your blog is missing major facts on even chemo drugs.

      • http://warmsocks.wordpress.com/ WarmSocks

        On technical issues, my blog has footnotes and links that people are welcome to follow up on to do their own research. You disagreeing with scientific data is not the same as me providing misinformation.
        I have never deleted any of your comments, Alice. I’m sorry if you thought you left a comment and don’t see it. The only comments I’ve deleted instead of approving are ads – however it’s ages since I’ve checked the spam filter, so there might be something stuck there. I’ll look.

        As for chemo drugs – completely off topic for this post – I don’t write about chemo drugs. I write about RA, living with RA, my daughter’s JIA, various concerns of people who have any of the autoimmune arthritic diseases, and dealing with doctors and the medical community. If I get cancer, I’ll probably write about chemo. It is my personal belief that there are some people with RA who are surrounded by unsympathetic friends and family; in an attempt to get uneducated individuals to understand that RA isn’t just OA aches & pains, they get overly dramatic and try to gain sympathy by claiming to be on chemo. While methotrexate can be used as chemotherapy in treating cancer, that is at higher doses than are used to treat RA. Once-a-week low-dose mtx to treat RA is not the same as higher-dose daily mtx to fight cancer, and it is dishonest to equate the two. If you can provide reliable documentation to the contrary, write a post and send me the link; I’ll send people to your blog to read your opinion on the subject.

        • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

          I have RA too, so I thought your blog was informative until I realized you are so into overprotectionism you don’t value the mind of the reader. That’s simply how it appears. But I thank you for your reply.

          Yes, you deleted two of my posts on metho because you defended it and I thought great caution should be exerted. It’s why Rheumy’s are so cautious. They posted then were deleted. One post even asked why the deletions. I gave up!:)

        • Guest

          She has the same persecution complex about comments here. It’s a tinfoil-hat thing. THE POWERS THAT BE have decided what she’s saying is TOO TRUTHY and so “THEY” DELETE IT. When in truth she probably just got it caught in moderation or spam limbo through putting in html links or something.

  • sybdmx

    To All of us Parents,
    please be respectful to each other .Why is this such a hard subject?Almost worse than religion or politics?
    We all do what we think is best at that time beeing for our kids,lets not judge us so hard.
    My first is full Vacc,because thats what you just did ,then at my second I tought and researched and my last is non Vacc.
    I believe I did the right decision for my kids ,and so do you out there .
    So lets not put us down .Just give info if asked for .
    I am a true NON VACCINE believer ,but you have to do whats right for you

    • Elena Lane

      I think that it’s such a hard subject because conventional medicine IS religion to many.

  • sybdmx

    I totally got of track…lol.I just started to question everything and started to ask questions to not friends,but clients of mine and they gave me info through websites and I researrched through the net in the Us and overseas to get different opinions.

    • EE Smith

      Another functionally illiterate anti-vaxxer. Yet we are supposed to believe her on “the science”. Seriously.

      • Hannahoneybee

        Most of the people who are stating why they don’t vaccinate or why they question it are being perfectly clear. Just because one is not doesn’t make them all wrong. That’d be like saying just because one vaccine is bad, they ALL are.

  • I believe

    What I believe is that this issue is not very cut and dry, and that is the problem. I have witnessed tragedy on both sides, in families very near and dear to me. One friend’s child died from complications of a vaccine preventable illness and another friend’s became severely disabled and ultimately died the vaccines themselves. Really??? As parents, friends and citizens, we need to choose which child to sacrifice?? Sorry, but parents I talk to hear both of those stories.

    There are risk on either side of the coin, and mainstream medicine and public health is doing NOTHING to determine risk factors for adverse reactions to vaccines. Instead it continues to advocate vaccinating a child while mildly ill, a child that has had previous mild adverse reactions, seizures and so forth. These mild events that are ignored often become major events. The medical and public health community needs to step up to the plate and stop denying these things happen, help the families it happens to, and figure out how to employ a reasonable, modest vaccine schedule focused on the deadliest diseases, and given to those most at risk for the disease, and not given to those likely to have an adverse reaction.

  • Steph Monsivaiz

    For us it made no sense. If vaccines worked beyond a shadow if a doubt, there would be no need for debate. If herd effect worked, the immunized would have nothing to fear from the unimmunized. Their vaccines should protect them. The fact that the immunized aren’t protected, and that you CAN suffer side effects from that which should help, NOT harm, is the debate.

    We chose to go with oral vaccines called nosodes by Helios Homeopathic Pharmacy, which we purchased from our naturopathic doctor. No harmful chemicals, no screaming, no side effects. Just 100% healthy children who occasionally get a 24/48 hr illness. Oh and they play in dirt, and eat/play at McDonald’s, and ride in shipping carts, etc. They are not isolated. :-)

    Our children have never had an injection, never had antibiotics, and we use time and homeopathic methods (like organic whole foods, probiotics, cleanses, supplements, tepid baths, and TV as a distraction!) to deal with the occasional illness. We seek to strengthen their God-given immune systems, not overload them.

    • mmer

      //We seek to strengthen their God-given immune systems//

      Only in America.

      • Jenna

        People who eschew modern medical interventions like that remind me of the following:

        There is an old story preachers tell about a man trapped on the top of his house during a flood or hurricane or tsunami (insert your own natural disaster). The water is swiftly rising. As this man sits on his roof, fearful of being swept away by the current, he cries out to God, “God please deliver me.”

        A few moments later, a farmer friend arrives with his boat. “Hey, friend, want a ride to safety?” he asks.
        “No,” replies the man on top of his house. “God is going to deliver me.”

        An hour later, the water is up to the gutters. A voluntary rescue person comes by on his yellow raft. “Hey, let’s get you off of there—and on to safety,” he yells.
        But the man on top of his house refuses to go. “God is going to deliver me.”

        Another hour passes and now the water is halfway up the roof. Roof Man is now on top of his chimney, nervously looking down at certain death and destruction. Fortunately, a Red Cross volunteer swings by in a canoe and offers to ride Roof Man to safety. But Roof Man refuses. “No, God is going to deliver me.”

        A couple of hours pass by and the water sweeps over the top of Roof Man’s house. He is carried away by the current and drowns.When he gets to Heaven, he meets Jesus and says, “I though you were going to deliver me.”

        Jesus looks down at Roof Man and says, “I sent a boat, an inflatable raft, and a canoe—but you refused each one. What else could I possibly do for you?” :)
        Thank God for vaccines, antibiotics, and all the other modern means of giving our children a safer, healthier, less deadly childhood than they would otherwise risk suffering.

        • Hannahoneybee

          Nearly every parent who is cautious about drugs or an intervention would get medical help for a sick child. Blind faith is dangerous. Keep that in mind. The help you may be ignoring might just be from the people cautioning you to look a bit deeper, while you are believing in magic.

          • Guest

            Ignorance is scarier. No one is asking for your blind faith but please, don’t be ignorant. Don’t jump on this anti-vaccine bandwagon. It’s just nonsense.

      • Hannahoneybee

        Natural born, then, how’s that?

    • GT

      Homeopathy is pure quackery. The whole idea of water retaining a “memory” is nothing but magical thinking.

  • Jeff Simon

    You can’t read a vaccine package insert, or peruse the Vaccine Adverse Reactions Reporting Database, and not have serious reservations about the safety of vaccines.

    If you recognize that at the time of the signing into law of the National Vaccine Injury Act in 1986, there were only 11 shots on the CDC birth-to-18 schedule and that there are 70 now; You can’t believe in herd immunity. (90% magically works in the classroom, but 50% maybe works in the grocery store ?!).

    If you can’t find safety studies mired in interest conflicts, you can’t take them at face value.

    If you parse the CDC data to find that the flu death numbers are a very fuzzy 500, rather than 36k they claim every fall, you can’t take the CDC at face value.

    If you look at the numbers of every large scale outbreak, huge portions of the infected are fully immunized.

    Pharma companies incurring multi-billion $$$ penalties for their misdeeds.

    Really. How could you possibly delegate the vaccine decision to anyone who will never bear the consequences of that advice. Sorry to say, that includes your pediatrician.

    • PrecipMom

      Yes. Yes, I can read a vaccine insert and look at VAERS and feel completely safe about vaccines. Because I know that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, but experts understand the context in which VAERS and package inserts exist. Self educated people from the University of Google lack the expertise to take a well rounded approach to this issue, and it shows. And children suffer and die because of what parents don’t know that they don’t know.

      • ccdaddy

        Boy, have you got a lot to learn. The people who have done this great evil,have absolutely no conscience at all.

        You really need to visit, with a vaccine injured child and their parents. To experience, real suffering.

        A minister once said,” if you see a bad case of Autism
        and you have any integrity, you cannot unsee it”

        You do not live in the hell, that people trying to save face have put vaccine injured children and their family’s in. It’s like being in prison,for life. Without any, possibility of parole.

        That the dark side of the so called greater Good///Greed

        • PrecipMom

          You’re correct. I don’t live the hell that people with vaccine injured children live through. And you don’t either. The risk of vaccine injury is real, but it is vanishingly small. It includes allergic reaction, polio from the now defunct oral polio vaccine, a sudden drop in platelets following MMR immunization. It does not include autism. And an autistic child’s life should never be described as life in prison without parole. That is hate speech towards a disabled population and it is completely unacceptable.

          If there is a giant conspiracy to hide the risks of vaccines, please explain how VAERS reports resulted in Rotashield being discontinued within a very short time frame because scientists looking at the data identified a 1 in 10,000 chance of abdominal obstruction. Hundreds of millions of dollars and countless years of research and work done by so many scientists yanked, irrelevant because of a 1 in 10,000 risk of abdominal obstruction, because 1 in 10,000 was too high. If 1 in 10,000 was too high, how on earth does someone reconcile that there could be risks higher than that and every single major medical and public health organization around the world united in lying to cover it up? Does that really sound plausible to anyone? Really?

          • Ellen Mary

            ‘Vanishingly small’ is NOT a real number. Science uses real numbers not platitudes like ‘vanishingly small’ and ‘unspeakably rare.’ That isn’t accurate anyway, at all. Give us the real number of severe adverse event from EACH vaccine and the the schedule in total, administered according to recommendations.

          • EE Smith

            “Does that really sound plausible to anyone? Really?”

            It does to these numpties, because they want so badly to believe. Sad but true.

          • Noni

            This thread would be humorous if it were not about vaccines. These people are scary, dangerous and fanatical. If I were not a parent I wouldn’t give a crap, but I am.

          • Hannahoneybee

            One in ten thousand is a lot.

          • ccdaddy

            One scientist became angry, when they were trying to get her to declare Thimerosal safe.

            She stopped ! and said ” IN THE NAME OF CHILDREN! “

          • adh1729

            Let’s analyze your logic: the guberment did the right thing once — therefore they always do the right thing. Real convincing.

      • Wendy Callahan

        That is the only reporting system in place…how scary is that!!

      • Ellen Mary

        VAERS is actually a monitored database which claims on its front page that all passive databases suffer from *under reporting*!

        • EE Smith

          VAERS is like an unmoderated bulletin board. It’s a free-for-all.

          It’s a passive reporting database to which anyone can report a case as an “adverse event” related to vaccination, whether it actually is related to vaccination or not.

          For instance, there are famous examples of people opposed to the antivax movement entering reports in which it was suggested that vaccines turned someone into the Incredible Hulk or Wonder Woman and had those reports accepted.

          Go ahead: try to enter into VAERS that a vaccine turned your child into a newt: it will almost certainly be put up.

          • Hannahoneybee

            I doubt it.

      • Hannahoneybee

        Many, many books written by doctors and scientists are available…and why discredit google?

  • Suzy Q

    My experience is personal. I got an autoimmune disease caused by my first ever “flu shot” and yes it was diagnosed by a mayo clinic doctor, and still to this day 10 years later I suffer from this. The funny part about this “flu shot” is I got it for the first time for both my kids and myself because of all the hype around bird flu. I had never had the flu in my life. I know because after I got the “flu shot” I got it (the flu) for the first time, and for the first time I knew what people meant by muscle aches. My kids who had been healthy from birth also got their first flu after their first “flu shot. So the “flu shot” worked. It gave it to me and my kids. it took about 3 or 4 years after that, before we stopped getting the flu on a regular basis. Now no flu shots, and no flu. It has been 10 years since I had this shot, and 6 since I had the flu. This was a valuable lesson. It taught me to research everything, and make my own decisions. Because you and your family are the only ones to suffer the consequences of your decisions. If I could take that decision back 10 years ago I would, but I can’t. Take the time to research and learn, because you can’t take back the shot once it’s given. Everyone has to make their own choice, and for me it is no vaccines. For me the decision is a little to late. Thankfully for my kids it is not.

    • Guest

      “I got an autoimmune disease caused by my first ever “flu shot” and yes it was diagnosed by a mayo clinic doctor, and still to this day 10 years later I suffer from this.”

      Bunk. A Mayo Clinic doctor confirmed that you have an autoimmune disease which was caused by a flu shot? No. I do not believe you.

      “the ‘flu shot’ worked. It gave it to me and my kids.”

      Bunk. The flu shot does not give you the flu. It just doesn’t.

      You say that now you “research everything” – where? At some junk science site? Whale-To perhaps? Ugh.

      • Suzy Q

        I tried to reply, and said nothing wrong, but because I wasn’t pro vaccine I was deleted. so good luck to everyone. One sided information here.

        • Guest

          “because I wasn’t pro vaccine I was deleted.”

          I doubt it. It’s much more likely that it’s caught up in the filter because you put a link or something in it. Or something went wrong when you were posting it.

          The MAJORITY of the comments here are brainless anti-vaccine rants. No one has deleted them. Big Pharma is not flying black helicopters to your houses. There is no conspiracy to silence you all. Lose the persecution complex already.

          • Suzy Q

            Wow. Is there a reason you hate me so much? You are judging someone you don’t know, and know nothing about. Maybe take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are so against a woman who was disabled by a vaccine? And yes I did add a link. for some crazy reason I thought I would educate you on Guillain-Barre syndrome autoimmune nerve disorder. And I further went on explaining myself (why I don’t know) about the constant seizure activity in my brain. And I educated myself at the Mayo clinic library because my doctor told me with 13 rare disorders you have many things that doctors don’t know about, and you should be able to help them to learn about them for yourself. He also said the words to empower yourself with this information, you will need it. You are not here trying to listen to people and their experience, and you are very closed minded. I could really care less what “persecution complex” you feel I have, and I am not interested if you “believe” me or not. My struggles is with life, and walking, and holding my bladder, and breathing by myself. And being able to eat and hold food down. Not to prove to you who or what I am. But I will pray for you, because I have something you don’t. And that is compassion for others. And I have compassion for you that you are so angry at so many people for no real good reason. I see nothing personal you are sharing about yourself, just stirring up commotion. so I pray for you, and hope you will find a compassionate heart.

          • Wendy Callahan

            Ever wonder why people become antivaccine??

          • EE Smith

            Because they’re insane?

          • Wendy Callahan

            That is correct! It is what happens when your child dies from a vaccine.

          • ccdaddy

            No it’s because the N/T child was talking the day before vaccines, and after 7 vaccines given all at once. The train wreck of damage occurred.

            Neurologist Dr. Polings daughter had 9 vaccines at one point in time. Train wreck, in two days Autism.

            Dr.and Mrs John Poling held a small press conference, and said they wanted to know why their daughter Hannah received 9 vaccines at once and then became Autistic. They weren’t at all happy, till they were paid 20 million dollars. For Hannah’s damage.

            No in fact, the Polings wanted Hannah s records made public. The HHS said no! and sealed them.

            Congressman Burtons grandson 9 vaccines 7 of which contained the Mercury. And in 2 days, full blown Autism.

          • Wendy Callahan

            Because when they watch their children die from a vaccine it makes them that way…

          • ccdaddy

            I will admit, that this thread has been fair about allowing everything.

      • Wendy Callahan

        She probably read the package insert. All the side effects are listed there.

      • Ellen Mary

        See if it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to believe anyone who claims an adverse event from a vaccine, even a listed one, you MIGHT be in the realm of FAITH and DOGMA and not science.

      • Hannahoneybee

        Even the vaccine companies admit vaccines cause damage. Why are you defending them? It’s not up to you to say weather other people should risk their health because you think they should take that risk. The event of GBS is common after flu shots, that’s why nurses, who see it happen often, are refusing to get the forced flu shots. Nurses have quit rather than risk it. The principle of Nutley high School in NJ died from GBS after getting it from a flu shot. on record.

        • EE Smith

          “not up to you to say weather other people…”

          See? Not one of them is even up to third grade literacy standards. Yet they want everyone to believe them when it comes to hard science.

          • Hannahoneybee

            Whether. Sorry again. Forgot you were an English teacher. I may have mis-pelled a word, but you are not addressing any of what I said.

          • Guest

            They have addressed you SEVERAL times. You CANNOT get the flu from the flu shot. GBS is rare. GBS is more commonly contracted after the flu than after the flu shot.

            What else needs to be addressed really? You are proving yourself post after to post to be embarrassingly ignorant and remarkably proud of that fact.

          • Hannahoneybee

            The event of GBS is common after flu shots. That’s why so many nurses are refusing to get the mandated flu shot. They would rather be fired, instead. They’ve seen the results, firsthand, when there is a reaction. These nurses are members of the medical community, so obviously, everyone in the medical community does not agree that the shots are safe. It is not up to you to decide WHETHER or not people should risk their health. Put your red pen away. I think I got that all correct, even though I’m such an ignorant tart.

          • Guest

            ————————–

            “The event of GBS is common after flu shots.”
            ————————–

            No, it’s not.

            The event of GBS after flu shots is about one in a million.

            In fact, the flu itself poses more risk for Guillain-Barre Syndrome than the flu vaccine does.

            “One case of the Guillain-Barre Syndrome occurs for every one million flu shots compared to one case for every 60,000 cases of the flu, according to research published Wednesday in the journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases.”

            http: //www.thestar. com/life/health_wellness/2013/05/16/flu_poses_more_risk_for_guillainbarre_syndrome_than_flu_vaccine. html

          • Hannahoneybee

            It is common enough that if you go to the hospital with the symptoms, the first question you will be asked is “Have you had a flu shot, recently?”

          • GT

            They ask, because if it is the case that a flu shot is your only risk factor, that’s reportable. It’s kind of a big deal. But they will also ask about other risk factors (respiratory illness, diarrhea, certain other infections) which are much more commonly associated with GBS.

            You are statistically more likely to die of the flu, if unvaccinated, than of vaccine-related GBS, if vaccinated.

          • Hannahoneybee

            GBS will kill you. I will take the flu over GBS any day of the week. No WAY would I risk being the one in the million to suffer a debilitating disease for the rest of my life just to avoid a week of chills and puking. So, who even cares if it was “ONLY” one in a million? NOT worth the risk.

          • Guest

            You are more likely to get GBS when you have the flu, than you are to get it from the flu vaccine. And you are more likely to get the flu, if you don’t have the flu vaccine.

          • Hannahoneybee

            The doctors will ask if you got a flu shot when you go to the hospital with symptoms, NOT if you’ve had the flu.

            The nurses refusing due to fear of GBS are not scared of the flu, but the flu shot. You do the math.

          • GT

            “The event of GBS is common after flu shots.”

            What makes you believe this? What data are you using? The CDC data are available, and they don’t show any such thing,

        • GT

          The flu vaccine cannot give anyone the flu, and Guillain-Barre syndrome is an exceptionally rare medical event in those who have received the flu vaccine. Respiratory illnesses and other infections are much more likely to precede GBS than flu vaccines.

    • GT

      There is simply no way that the flu vaccine can give you the flu. It’s impossible. Injected flu vaccines only contain dead virus, and a dead virus is, well, dead: it can’t infect you.

      Anyone who gets sick after receiving a flu vaccination was going to get sick anyway. It takes a week or two to get protection from the vaccine, so if you are infected before you get the shot or a week or so afterwards, there’s your flu. But it unequivocally did not come from the flu shot.

      You say that you “research everything” – why not start with Harvard Med? Paste this into Google: harvard+health+10+flu+myths

  • Suzi Q 38

    Thanks. No adverse effects yet, but thanks for the warning.

  • Ursula Pasche Stouffer

    Unfortunately, those days are NOT over. Have you read about the recent outbreaks of flaccid paralysis (which is indistinguishable from polio) in India, which was caused by the polio vaccines? I think it was 48,000 children two years ago who were crippled and/or died thanks to the polio vaccines they received.
    The reason people believe that polio was eradicated by polio vaccines is, that after vaccinations they simply re-named polio cases. Now when a kid gets what before vaccines would have been diagnosed as polio, they’ll be diagnosed with flaccid paralysis (which means they might end up on today’s ‘iron lungs’, with tracheostomies and portable breathing equipment), meningitis, Guillian Barre syndrome, MS, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome and others.
    Before polio vaccines were used in the 1950s, there was a high rate of polio, and very few cases of meningitis. After polio vaccines, that was entirely reversed. NOT a coincidence.
    And by the way, it isn’t just THIS year’s flu vaccine that is ineffective…… no flu vaccine has ever proven to prevent the flu, or prevent flu hospitalizations and deaths.

    • Hannahoneybee

      Have you heard about the many cases of Polio caused by the Polio vaccine? Jonas Salk himself admitted that.

      Anyway, Polio might be worth vaccinating over, but Rotavirus? That’s the runs. You keep your baby home, feed it banana. We don’t live in a 3rd world country. Measles and Chicken Pox and Mumps also get better with bed rest and hydration, usually.

      I’m not positive, but I don’t even think I got antibiotics when I had chicken pox. I laid in bed eating Easter candy, which is awful for you, and I still survived.

      • GT

        “I don’t even think I got antibiotics when I had chicken pox.”

        That might be because your doctor was smart enough to know that chicken pox is caused by a virus, not a bacteria.

        Using antibiotics against a virus is about as useful as using RAID to kill the weeds in your garden.

  • a mom

    i disagree with the idea that the non-vaccinating parents are more vocal. i have told very few people i am vaccinating on a slower schedule. IMO, parents who choose to not vaccinate according to the most frequently recommended schedule are ostracized and disrespected.

  • lotzakids

    I do speak up on it, and I’m fairly vocal about it. I watched a young child (under 1 yr) battle measles several years ago during an outbreak because she was too young to get the vaccine. I know a man who in his early 50′s looked to be 70+ because of post-polio syndrome, caught before the vaccine was available. When a mom asked me if it was really worth it to go to the doc and have her older kids checked for pertussis when they’d had a bad cough for several weeks, I told her it wasn’t a big deal as long as they never had any contact with anyone with small children at the store or church or wherever they went. She got the message.

    I have a medically fragile child. I know vaccines aren’t 100%, and I know some people shouldn’t get them. But for my kid, a cold lands him in the ICU. I shudder to think of what something more potent would do. So everyone who comes into my home is required to have annual flu shots. If you don’t, that’s okay. I still like you. But you won’t be inside my home. It’s just not worth the risk.

    • Hannahoneybee

      All children are medically fragile after that get 60 vaccines in five years.

      • lotzakids

        When I say “medically fragile” I mean it in the true sense of the word. He is g-tube fed, trached and vent and oxygen dependent, also on meds to control significant pulmonary hypertension. He’s known as a techno kid. I know more about medical procedures and equipment and keeping him alive than some doctors. I’m not talking about someone who might get a little more sick than the kid next door. I have several other children as well, and we vaccinated them all on schedule, too. I just wasn’t quite so hyper-vigilant about germs and the annual flu shot then.

        • Hannahoneybee

          I’m sorry that your child is ill. However, I wouldn’t expect you to risk your child’s health for mine, nor should you expect others to risk their child’s health to save yours. If a person has a low functioning immune system, they need to take extra precautions. Being fearful of unvaccinated children is kind of ridiculous when you consider almost no adults keep up to date on the recommended schedule for boosters, which means, if it really mattered, we are all walking around highly contagious of all of the things we aren’t getting vaccinated and boosted for as adults. What it really means is the pharmaceutical companies haven’t found a way to manipulate, scare, and force most of the adult population into believing their lies.

  • Faerin

    I am shocked at the overwhelming anti-vaccination bent on the comments in this blog – a medical blog of all places! I recognize that there are always going to be rare serious adverse reactions to any medication, but the concept and arrival of vaccines has been overwhelmingly positive for the world and has saved many lives! I’m afraid that all the scaremongers on this thread are detracting from that.

    Parents have the right to do with their children what they think is best, but unfortunately, too many parents are listening to (sometimes very persuasive) people who are not health professionals and often have very limited “evidence” to back up their quack claims, instead of high-quality, peer reviewed research.

    I see a lot of comments on this blog that urge parents to “research” vaccines. Many people don’t know where to look, and will be easily persuaded by any hogwash that comes up on a Google search. Here’s a hint: a large-volume, randomized controlled trial with thousands of participants that is listed on pubmed is NOT on par with a human interest news article of a parent who thinks something went wrong with their child after a vaccination, on blogger or facebook. When things go wrong with our children, it is devastating and things get very emotionally charged, but I fear we are allowing these emotions to get in the way of our better judgement.

    I will eat my shirt if there is some undercover operation by “big pharma” or “the government” or the “American Medical Association” or “the FDA” to harm people’s children with “toxins”. Heck, if you are a medical person reading this blog, you ought to know that the FDA pulls many medications off the shelves at the first sign of trouble, even when many of us don’t want to see them go!

    I can tell you individual stories of people who were hit by lightning and won the 50 million dollar lotto, too. I can also tell you stories about how millions in the world have died and still die from infectious diseases that are vaccine-preventable.

    Children who are not vaccinated have the potential to contract and spread deadly diseases to those around them who are more vulnerable. It is incredibly selfish for a parent to say “my child is healthy and s/he will be just fine to contract illness X”, when others around them are immunocompromised and could be devastated by the illness. Let’s also not forget that those families who choose not to vaccinate in this nation are directly benefiting from the low incidence of many of these illnesses here, which is due to the fact that vaccines are available here, and millions of families do choose to vaccinate.

    How soon we forget where we came from!

    PS – I am so tired of hearing about the myth that the flu comes from the flu shot. It does not. May you feel lousy? Sure, you might. There are known adverse reactions of the flu shot that include myalgias, for example. But this is not “the flu”.

    PPS – Homeopathic oral vaccinations sound like a parent wanting to avoid the unpleasantness of injections, but I am skeptical that they do anything at all. Telling me your child “has never gotten seriously ill” does not convince me of their effectiveness; I’d just call you lucky! I would be interested to know if that reader has any source of good quality evidence for their effectiveness.

    • Wendy Callahan

      That is all great until your child has a reaction.

      • Faerin

        Yes, and it’s also great for the unvaccinated kid until he has a fever of unknown origin and the doctor has to consider an extra dozen dangerous infectious causes.

        • Wendy Callahan

          Vaccines are not 100% effective. Both my kids had measles and one had whooping cough…both vaxxed. Oh wait, they were injected with measles and WC virus no wonder they had them!

          • GT

            The pertussis vaccine does not contain live bacteria. It literally cannot give whooping cough to those injected with it.

          • GT

            By the way, one would have thought that someone who had done as much “medical research” as you claim to have done would know that pertussis (whooping cough) is caused by a bacteria, not a virus.

          • Wendy Callahan

            When did I claim medical research? How hard is it to understand if you don’t want disease, don’t inject it inside you? WC is a bacteria? Why is it in a vaccine then?

          • Guest

            “WC is a bacteria? Why is it in a vaccine then?”

            Good lord.

            I suggest you leave all scientific and medical thinking to your doctors, who actually know these things. You are not knowledgeable enough to be making decisions on behalf of either yourself or your hapless children.

          • Wendy Callahan

            I have…they don’t know the science either…I don’t think you can become immune to a bacteria. Why inject it inside you? You seem so smart why don’t you explain it?

        • Ellen Mary

          The doctor still has to consider all those diseases because no vax even advertises 100% efficacy?

          • Wendy Callahan

            Amen sister…

        • ccdaddy

          No your getting it all wrong, an HMO that serves 50,000 does not vaccinate. And they only have one case of Autism. And that child, was adopted
          so most likely they vaccinated him or her before the adoption.

          The Garbage you inject into our children that BTW cannot be legally flushed into the sewer. That is, without breaking a federal law. That injected garbage,it destroys the immune system.

          • GT

            What is the name of this HMO which serves 50,000 unvaccinated citizens? I am interested in finding out more.

        • Hannahoneybee

          Most of the things we vaccinate for are for fairly benign illnesses.

          You give doctors too much credit. I had a doctor insisting on removing my child’s tonsils. At the suggestion of a friend, I took her for an allergy test.

          After months of missed school, I found out my child had allergies (no thanks to the doctor or the hospital I had taken her to).

          By removing my carpet, I removed the dust mites and also her cough. She still has her tonsils. You have to wonder why surgery is a first resort, when a simple allergy test would have saved my kid almost a year of hacking her lungs up every night, many doctor visits, Rx’s, and much missed school.

          • Guest

            Wow. How amazing that your anecdote so eerily matches the one Obama gave in 2009:

            “So if … your child has a bad sore throat, or has repeated sore throats, the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, ‘You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid’s tonsils out.’

            “…I’d rather have that doctor making those
            decisions just based on whether you really need your kid’s tonsils out or whether it might make more sense just to change — maybe they have allergies.”

            Oh, those greedy tonsil-thieving weasels! Boo, doctors!

          • Hannahoneybee

            I have the medical records to prove this. i actually had to move to a new house. i never heard Obama’s anecdote, but apparently, he was right!

          • Hannahoneybee

            I still have all the useless allergy and asthma medication I bought and didn’t need after we moved to a house with no carpeting! i can’t believe you just called me a liar. It was the most harrowing year of our lives. My daughter was TERRIFIED the night we had to go to the ER because she couldn’t breath.

          • Hannahoneybee

            By the way, our situation occurred in 2007. Until you said YOUR post, I just thought my daughter’s doctor was a moron.

          • GT

            “Most of the things we vaccinate for are for fairly benign illnesses.”

            Are you serious? These are not “benign diseases”, they sickened and disabled and even killed so, so many children in the years before we had vaccines. This is a fact, it is history (and not even “ancient” history). You really don’t want to go back to those bad old days, believe me.

          • Hannahoneybee

            Measles, mumps, rubella, rotavirus, chicken pox, and whooping cough. None of those diseases are often fatal in children. They are more dangerous to adults, or sickly individuals with compromised immune systems (who should take precautions to protect their own health).

          • http://warmsocks.wordpress.com/ WarmSocks

            You have believed a lie. I feel sorry for you. There are still places in the world where children aren’t even named at birth. After kids contract the measles, the lucky survivors get named.

            “sickly individuals with compromised immune systems (who should take precautions to protect their own health”
            You obviously have no idea how arrogant you sound. Sickly individuals? Really? People with a compromised immune system are not “sickly individuals.” If you refuse to be a responsible member of society and help eradicate preventable diseases, then at least have the decency to refrain from spreading them. If you choose to ignore scientific facts, believing scaremongers instead of solid data, then YOU should be the one to take extra precautions.

    • Guest

      But haven’t you heard? Big pHARMa is conspiring with the government and doctors to create a future generation of wee brains with its vaccines filled with TOXIC chemicals. The dullards will be easier to control and subjugate; it’s all a big CONSPIRACY!!

      And where is your tin foil hat? Clearly you do not belong here with the rest of us ENLIGHTENED and incredibly INTELLIGENT people!

      • ccdaddy

        No! not most Dr’s they are blissfully ignorant.To the damage they caused. I had one tell me, after he admitted I was right. He said, I never knew any of what you just told me “we only know, what they tell us”

      • Queen Alice

        And there is no NSA . . .

      • Hannahoneybee

        Not conspiring. Just doing what they are taught. When you are trained to do a job in school, why would you question what you’re taught?

    • Tom

      “I am shocked at the overwhelming anti-vaccination bent on the comments in this blog – a medical blog of all places!”

      Me too. If it were only their own lives they were risking, I wouldn’t be as ticked off. Most conspiracy theories don’t actually kill. This is one that does.

      • ccdaddy

        According to the California data, your full of crap. The data, reveals the more vaccinated for the whooping cough you are.The more likely you were, to get the very disease you were vaccinated against.

        A researcher,that was working for the “CDC” Dr Gary Goldman, and his team. Had found, that the chicken pox vaccine was causing shingles in middle school aged kids.

        Dr. Goldman said, he was going to inform the public for they had a right to know. That their vaccine, was causing shingles. The CDC said to Dr. Goldman. If you do, we will sue you!

        Tom, take off your rose colored glasses and see the damage. That the vaccine program, has caused.

        • mmer

          //That the vaccine program, has caused.//

          Eradicating small pox and the near-eradication of polio have caused irreparable damage world-wide! Who is wearing the “rose colored glasses” here?

          You are completely misreading the “California data” which showed “California teens who had received four doses of the current vaccine were at almost six times more likely to get pertussis as those who had received four doses of the older preparation.” Please note that this was not comparing vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, but the new vaccine vs the old. And the conclusion of the study was that the old vaccine was superior to the new, NOT that the new one was ineffectual compared to unvaccinated control…

          “You’re still eightfold less likely to get pertussis if you’ve gotten the acellular vaccine [the new one] than if you didn’t”

        • EE Smith

          your full of crap”

          And you can’t even express yourself in standard English. Your argument is invalid.

          • ccdaddy

            Your science,proving vaccine safety that was done in the VSD was so week. The President tried to seal it forever. From the public’s eyes.

            The head of the CDC, Dir. Gerberding that now works for Merck.Declared that the VSD data they depended on all these years, to declare vaccines are safe and do not cause Autism was so flawed
            she said they would not be using it anymore to do she said would be potentially misleading.

            Her last words, to the House Appreciations committee that was investigating her and found she had been deceiving them. was “but if you do give us more time, we will do good quality studies”

            That was her reply to the findings of the NIH’s NIEHS, that all the large population based studies done in the VSD and Denmark were utterly useless. That was said 2 yr’s before the Denmark researcher, that gave the CDC proof
            putting a an IQ lowering neural-toxin in children was perfectly safe. Had been indicted on 22 counts of fraud.

            Attack my content, not me!

            I say they poisoned the children, and I prove it in my post. You don’t dispute, my proof they poisoned them. You attack my spelling of the word POISONING.

            God almighty, please tell me you did not create someone that stupid.

            Son I told you in my word, I reserved the right to make vessels of Honor, and and as you can
            here vessels of dishonor.

          • Guest

            Obama has been in for five years now, as have his cronies he replaced all the science-minded people with. Have THEY banned vaccines yet? No? Well why not??

          • Hannahoneybee

            “Science-minded?” The fundamentalists of the Bush era were anti-intellectual.

          • ccdaddy

            If this scandal was ever admitted to, this Nation
            reputation would be worse than it is now by far.

            Considering Vaccines, are originally from the US. litigation would be fired off at all 4 corners of the globe. Thus destroying what economy is left in the US.

        • Hannahoneybee

          I heard about that right at the beginning. The shingles cases sprung up right after the chicken pox vaccination came out.

          • ccdaddy

            The CDC told Dr. Goldman, who by the way had good enough credentials for the CDC to hire him.

            If you tell anybody, what you found out. We will, sue you.

            So who’s best interest, is the CDC looking out for????

        • EE Smith

          Yes. When I think of the great epidemiologists of our time, the independent computer guy Gary S. Goldman, with his PhD (in computers, not medicine) from a non-qualified school of “higher education”, i.e. a non-accredited diploma mill, immediately comes to mind.

          • ccdaddy

            At least he has a moral compass, and integrity.

        • Queen Alice

          Because Big Pharma can’t make money off our immune systems being functional . . .

          • Guest

            “Because Big Pharma can’t make money off our immune systems being functional . . .”

            So you really think that every pediatrician in America is knowingly harming innocent children? What, are they all sociopaths or something?

            Geez louise, I’ve seen everything now. Please, PLEASE, don’t ever take your child to one of those Eebil Baby-Poisoning Pediatricians. If they get sick, just pray over them or whatnot. “It’s God’s Will!”

            Let’s let Darwin’s natural selection wipe out all you stupid people.

          • Queen Alice

            I am laughing at your response. No the pediatricians are not sociopaths, but they can be misinformed about the meds they are trusting BIG PHARMA to do the research on. The same Big Pharma that has managed to get preferential treatment so that they aren’t accountable for the “mistakes” in the vaccines. Look it up.

            And when my kids were small, I took them to pediatricians. I’m an RN. I believe in medicine as a vehicle to help. But part of the Hippocratic oath taken by MDs is to “do no harm”. But with Big Pharma obscuring the truth, how can they not.

            A rather knee jerk post, guest. And the usual name calling kind of rant I expect from people who have not done any research on the topic.

          • Guest

            So you’re smarter than the entire medical-scientific community. Uh huh. Right.

          • Hannahoneybee

            The entire medical community is far from agreeing on this topic. VERY far.

          • Guest

            And by “medical community”, you’re counting charlatans who bought PhDs in non-medical fields from cheezy unaccredited diploma mills…?

          • Hannahoneybee

            Yes, I am for sure counting the quacks.

          • ccdaddy

            No,but I can do the 9th grade math adding up the mercury to reveal the damage done.

          • Queen Alice

            Ah, the strength of your argument . . .

          • Hannahoneybee

            Not knowingly. Doctors do what they are taught to do in school. Some of them realize what they are taught is wrong, when they seed the kids getting sick or not getting well, and they stop. Others carry on, blame the parents, whatever…”How To Raise A Healthy Child In Spite Of Your Doctor” is a book written by a doctor who unknowingly harmed patients, then decided to write a book about it.

      • Wendy Callahan

        Vaccines shed. Hope you realize that and take precautions..like keeping your recently vaccinated shedding kids inside.

    • ccdaddy

      Please, read about how all your so called health professionals
      were at a meeting (Simpson wood) discussing the mas poisoning of the American children. Decided the science would have buried
      them in a court of law. Then they decided, for the greater good they really needed to lie to the American people. To keep their worthless asses, out of prison. They said a whole bunch of self incriminating info. Then stripped it from the minutes, that is till
      safe minds obtained a complete copy of the original minutes.

      The rest is history, of how they had to send a letter to their own committee. Explaining how, they were willing to deceive their
      own committee. They had to explain to them, why all the worse damaging info was removed from the original minutes.

      • Faerin

        “Mass poisoning”?Listen to yourself! This is exactly the kind of emotionally charged, ‘conspiracy theory’ garbage that I am talking about! Oh but wait, I bet there’s at least a hundred websites on a google search that agree with you!

        • mmer

          //I bet there’s at least a hundred websites on a google search that agree with you!//

          It’s scary, but to some people that is proof, along with anecdotes of friends, “my Billy got sick after the vaccine therefore the vaccine must have caused the sickness!” That sort of thing gets posted on Facebook, “progressive parent” Jane reads it, and posts “my little baby Chevron is no way getting vaccinated, pharmaceutical companies blah blah blah” – you can see how this spreads, “virally” (pun intended).

          Much of this issue (and similar) can be traced back to the complete lack of scientific illiteracy in the public domain. We should be educating the youth on the philosophy of science along with the hard facts.

          • EE Smith

            These people are quite mad. If we don’t go back to teaching real science in the classroom, we’re lost. I mean that. Post-normal relativistic “whatever you feeeeel to be true, is!” BS won’t do it. Math and science are the only cures for this “virus” of willful ignorance and scientific illiteracy.

          • ccdaddy

            This is a FOIA email from the CDC about the FDA not being able to do the simple 9th grade math it would have taken to protect our children.

            “this was not rocket science,it was ninth grade math” He was referring to the fact,that when one does the simplest 9th grade math. One finds, the children have been massively over exposed to a well Known IQ lowering neural-toxic mind altering compound. At 160 times
            that the EPA considers, their own standard for Liquid Hazardous Waste. Of, Mercury.

            Here are a few more of their emails,some that were read in a congressional hearing.

            Same CDC officer “How could the FDA approve a preservative without knowing how much Mercury it contained”? “what else is lurking we know nothing about”

            FDA to FDA email “were afraid the public will perceive us asleep at the switch for decades, for allowing this dangerous compound to remain in the vaccines”

            FDA to FDA email “and it’s no longer going to wash, that there’s no evidence of a risk”

            The science was stacking up against them, and he was getting worried.

            He was referring to a risk of exposure, to the preservative used in children’s vaccines called Thimerosal. And it’s impact, on neurological damage the effects in our children.

            CDC or FDA not sure “maybe we should treat this like the Tylenol poisonings,admit that it happened, pull it from the shelves,apologize and then show contrition”

            We did not get that, we got “they are lying to get money” A well paid off judge, said that.

            This is the biggest scandal, in the history of man kind. And it will cost more money than any scandal in the history of the US. For the life long care, of hundreds of thousands of children who were and are neurologically damaged for life.

          • mmer

            So all children are getting vaccinated with “neural-toxic mind altering compounds” – that sure is a fascinating claim! Have any facts to support that assertion? There are plenty supporting the other side of the argument.

            1) In North America, a Canadian study of 27,749 children in Quebec showed that thiomersal was unrelated to the increasing trend in pervasive developmental disorders (PDDs). In fact, the study noted that rates of PDDs were higher in the birth cohorts with no thiomersal when compared to those with medium or high levels of exposure

            2) A study performed in the US which analyzed data from 78,829 children enrolled in HMOs taken from the Vaccine Safety Datalink
            (VSD) did not show any consistent association between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes, noting different results from data in
            different HMOs. Another study which studied children enrolled in HMOs that participated
            in the VSD found no evidence of a causal relationship between early exposure to mercury such as from thiomersal and deficits in
            neuropsychological functioning.

            Amongst others ..

          • Queen Alice

            What years were those studies done? The numbers of vaccines have tripled since my late 20 year old kids have gotten vaccinated. (much to my sadness).

          • Hannahoneybee

            If the CDC admits it, who are you to deny it?

          • ccdaddy

            Isn’t it strange, the country’s that removed it. Are saying, they found no causation & then declared it safe. And like Mercury specialist Dr. Boyd Haley said, they never put it back? If it’s so safe,why not?

            Here’s a possibility, of why these people declared a known IQ lowering neural-toxic mind altering compound that they injected into their Nations children. To be the New friendlier gentle kind of Mercury, that contrary to the science does not cross the BBB.

            It’s a little thing called LIABILITY for damages done. No one, wants to admit they too screwed up. That could cost a Nation trillions in damages.

          • Guest

            ================================
            “He was referring to the fact,that when one does the simplest 9th grade math. One finds, the children have been massively over exposed to a well Known IQ lowering neural-toxic mind altering compound. At 160 times that the EPA considers, their own standard for Liquid Hazardous Waste. Of, Mercury.”
            =================================

            Buddy, get back to us when you master simple third-grade English.

            Poor expression is a sign of an ill-educated, disordered mind. You are doing your cause no favors here.

          • ccdaddy

            There you go, attacking me. not the fact the CDC and the FDA are admitting in emails. I am right.

          • Guest

            “the CDC and the FDA are admitting in emails. I am right.”

            The only governmental body likely to comment on you in emails is the Department of Education, as an object example of how George Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” policy was the epic fail of the early 21st century.

          • ccdaddy

            The FOIA you know what that means right? It was received through the freedom of information act.

            The emails were read at a Congressional hearing
            on vaccines as a cause for Autism.

            YOU LOSE!

          • Hannahoneybee

            When a person can’t win an argument, they attack the person instead. There’s a name for that method of trying to cloud the issue.

          • adh1729

            ad hominem attack

          • Hannahoneybee

            You don’t have to be a scientist to be able to understand a package insert to a medication.

          • adh1729

            It would indeed be nice if your vaccines were subjected to serious, conclusive, and exhaustive scientific study. They haven’t been so studied. Instead, the medical profession asks parents to accept vaccines on faith. I congratulate those parents on this site who aren’t ready to swallow the faith-based doctrines of the vaccine-mongers. BTW, I personally excelled at math and science when I was in college and medical school (top of the class all the way.) Prove to me, with math and science, that our current vaccine program is warranted.

          • Hannahoneybee

            Real science would be great, actually. When are the vaccine companies going to test their drugs more thoroughly before marketing them?

          • Hannahoneybee

            Their is an official record of vaccine injured children. Anyone can look that information up.

          • Guest

            Their is an official record…”

            ::facepalm::

          • Hannahoneybee

            I’m sorry, “There” is an official record. I didn’t realize we were being graded.

          • ccdaddy

            Stop attacking the person, that’s trying to save children. I will bet, if I was allowed to go through your post and emails I would find some.

          • Guest

            If you believe Queen Elizabeth is a lizard person, just google “Queen Elizabeth is a lizard” and you’ll come up with over 15,000 websites. And “george bush is an alien” returns over 50,000. Seriously, try it. So it must be true!

        • ccdaddy

          Don’t attack me! The letter to the committee states; Dear Committee members,
          SAFE MIND’s recently obtained the transcribed minutes to the Simpsonwood meeting held June 7-8, 2000 in Norcross, Georgia where the finding of the Vaccine Safety Datalink analysis of Thimerosal containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes were reviewed by a panel of experts. There were a number of additional findings not previously reported that were contained in this document that I would like to share with the committee

          Like I said, they were hiding the truths that were revealed that day from their own committee.

          They striped out every finding that was bad pr for vaccines and the CDC.

          Dr. Bernier: Page 113: “We have asked you to keep this information confidential. We do have a plan for discussing these data at the upcoming meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices on June 21 and June 22. At that time CDC plans to make a public release of this information, so I think it would serve all of our interests best if we could continue to consider these data. The ACIP work group will be considering also. If we could consider these data in a certain protected environment. So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So too basically consider this embargoed information. That would help all of us to use the machinery that we have in place for considering these data and for arriving at policy recommendations.”

          This part really sticks out when highlighted.

          We do have a plan for discussing these data at the upcoming meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices on June 21 and June 22. At that time CDC plans to make a public release of this information

          They had a plan for discussing these data
          alright .

          But only after they cannibalized it.

          Here is the best part that proves that our children s safety wasn’t even on their radar that day.

          Just talk about how the current data would bury them in a court of law. Against an American child

          Yet look what they did, they emerged from that meeting willing to deceive the American public.

          Note, that the only person there that day that had any integrity was Dr. Weil the rest were there that day to discuss how to make this go away.

          If an allegation was made that a child’s neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist who would support the claim with “a reasonable degree of certainty”. But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true. So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned.”

          Where was his concern, for all the children that may have been effected by their monumental screw up?

          This letter you probably did not know exist,
          burys your argument. By creating a healthy suspicion. If they will do this, what else will they do to protect their Golden Retirement Parachutes?

          The way they handled their mistake, is a is a testament to their incompetence. And that incompetence has become a National disgrace.

          • D.N.

            Good for you! Thank you for digging this up and spreading the truth on the matter.

        • Hannahoneybee

          You are the one who sounds emotional.

    • Ellen Mary

      Vaccines are not the same as ‘any medication’. They are studied & developed differently, they are administered differently, they are just not one iota the same.

      • Ellen Mary

        ETA: they have greater and more devastating and less reversible severe adverse effects than 90% of the medications on the market. I know NO children injured by Ibuprofen or even potentially toxic Tylenol. I know quite a few children who have suffered severe adverse effects following Vax and even one child whose family was compensated by VICP (after a 10 year legal battle.)

        • Guest

          Holy cow. This post is inane. You know of NO children harmed by either ibuprofen or tylenol? And what medical training do you have?

          Why do I keep responding to these people?

          • GT

            “Why do I keep responding to these people?”

            I don’t know. I just spent half an hour responding to them as though they were reasonable people who might be swayed by actual science and proven medical facts, but I have the feeling it will have been in vain. Oh well.

          • Faerin

            It’s so tempting isn’t it? I must find better things to do with my time than banging my head against a wall.

          • adh1729

            You are the simpleton. Ellen Mary doesn’t personally* know children injured by ibuprofen or acetaminophen, but she personally* knows children injured by vaccines. Got the interpretation?

          • Guest

            Sorry, is Ellen Mary a scientist or researcher or does she have even the slightest bit of medical knowledge?
            Then who cares what she’s seen. I saw an MMR vaccine turn a young boy into Peter Pan and watched him fly off to Never Never Land. See, vaccines are good!
            Just as ridiculous as her post.

          • adh1729

            Sorry, “guest”, the scientists and researchers will lose their jobs and careers if they point at the naked emperor and confess their lack of faith in his awesome invisible garments. Sometimes it takes porn models and nobodies to point out the truth.
            I do have “the slightest bit of medical knowledge” myself, being a practicing, board-certified MD who happened to have been valedictorian of my medical school class and a whole lot else.
            I personally despised anti-vaxers until about 5 years ago, when I finally took the time to review the case against vaccination (Neil Z Miller, Robert Mendelsohn, Russell Blaylock) and was stunned at its strength. It was clear to me that medical school had misrepresented the risks and benefits of vaccination.

          • adh1729

            Might I add: the establishment is delighted to have suckers like you — the system runs great with a lot of sheeple around. You are such true believers in the “experts”, that you wouldn’t even believe the evidence of your own senses.

        • Victoria Kulli

          Try visiting a children’s hospital and visiting a child on a waiting list for a new liver due to overdosing on acetaminophen.

    • Ellen Mary

      Link us to even ONE of these on PubMed: ‘Here’s a hint: a large-volume, randomized controlled trial with thousands of participants that is listed on pubmed’. Vaxes are not generally subject to RCTs, friend! In any case, a LOT of people have heard of PubMed & the CDC. I think the most interesting reading on Vaxes are the package inserts. I especially love it when the media claims greater efficacy and safety than the actual literature by the manufacturer themselves!

      • Victoria Kulli

        You’ve repeated your statement that vaccines are not subject to RCT a number of times. Who told you that? The insert on vaccines tells you about possible side effects.

        • TJM

          That’s the problem with trying to reason with these people. You can provide substantiated facts to them, but they will ignore them and keep repeating the same falsehoods over and over and over again.

          Their faith is unshakable. It’s like young earth creationists who persist in the face of all evidence to the contrary that the bible is literally true and that the earth is only 6,000 years old. It would be touching, if children weren’t suffering and dying because of it.

          • Victoria Kulli

            I couldn’t agree more, TJM. Anecdotes are everywhere and ill defined, but facts are gathered from well designed research studies.

          • Hannahoneybee

            The package inserts and the Physicians Desk Reference are full of facts about side effects of all drugs. Facts.

    • Hannahoneybee

      It is not that rare to have an adverse event to a vaccine. “Vaccinations, A thoughtful Parents guide” is a good book to start.

      “Malepractice” by Robert Mendelsohn is also a good, informative bo book not specifically about vaccines but how the medical industry fleeces people through fear and intimidation.

      • Guest

        “Malepractice”. LOL.

        • Guest

          Shut up. They’re SOOPER-GENIUSES who know more than the whole collective scientific community. Just because they can barely read or write doesn’t mean NUTTIN’.

        • Hannahoneybee

          The spelling is correct. The doctor, a member of the scientific community, spelled it that way on purpose.

          • Guest

            Either that or he’s as illiterate as you all.

          • Hannahoneybee

            No, he says why he spelled it that way in the forward of the book.

            He wrote a book after graduating Medical school. He’s not illiterate.

        • adh1729

          Male Practice: How Doctors Manipulate Women. Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D. Contemporary Books, Inc, Chicago. Copyright 1981. I hold the book in my hands. LOL^(-2).
          I learned more from Mendelsohn, through his books, than I did from any doctor in medical school or residency. I doubt he knew the fact himself, but he led me to the finding that my profession underwent a hostile takeover by Rockefeller, Carnegie, et al in the early 1900s (see: the Flexner Report.) If that hostile takeover had not happened, this debate thread would not exist either. Unfortunately, not only did the medical profession undergo a hostile takeover, so did the entire USA. The whole country is duped.

    • Queen Alice

      RARE????? oh please.

  • Karen Ernst

    For too long, vaccinating parents have been complacent about the health of their community, leaving it to the doctors and public health officials to get the word out about the safety and effectiveness of immunization.

    However, the tides are turning. Many of us are fed up that the go-to parent voice in discussions about vaccines is overwhelmingly anti-vaccine. They do not speak for me! I do not believe that the government (which one?) is part of a nefarious Big Pharma plot to do harm to its citizens. Instead, I believe in the social contract.

    I vaccinate my children, fully and on-time. I do it to protect my children, and I do it to protect yours. I do it despite the lies and fearmongering of the anti-vaccine movement because I understand science.

    I agree. It’s time we all speak up.

    • ccdaddy

      You live in a fantasy world,read the Simpson wood transcripts.
      See first hand, how sick your public health agency’s really are.

      Sacrificing children, that’s not theirs to sacrifice.

      Taking bribes,on a regular basis.

      When your through reading Simpson wood, then read the IOM transcripts. They will turn your stomach, that is if you have a conscience.

      • EE Smith

        The conspiracy theory over the Simpsonwood (not “Simpson wood” – you apparently can’t even get THAT right) transcript is pure undiluted idiocy.

        If anyone wants the facts, remove the spaces and paste these urls into your address bar:

        http ://oracknows. blogspot. com/2005/06/skeptico-reads-simpsonwood-transcript. html

        http: //skeptico. blogs. com/skeptico/2005/06/robert_f_kenned. html

        • ccdaddy

          Why would anybody, want to go to a paid phama person to get the truth.

          The skeptics and Orac are being paid to defend Pharma.

          • EE Smith

            This is why you can’t argue with these people, folks. Anyone who tries to point out that yes, the sky actually IS blue, is “obviously” in the pay of Big Blue.

            Any wonder a lot of them are 9-11 troofers as well?

          • Hannahoneybee

            Why are you trying to cloud the issue with conspiracy theories? You are implying that people who research the medication and drugs they put in their and their children’s bodies are people who will believe anything, when in fact, the opposite is true.

          • ccdaddy

            Yes, just after 9-11 there was a conspiracy to conceal. All the proof the children were harmed that was in the Vaccine Safety Data base.

            It began,with Congressman Dick Armey sinking lines of protection for Lilly the patent holder of Thimerosal in the homeland security bill that was called the Lilly rider. Look it up!

            When that was found to be a dirty little back room deal, cut in the middle of the night. Done, to skirt paying for the damage Thimerosal had caused. American children.

            It was removed immediately, the President GW Bush moves to seal the VSD forever. Question, why would you seal forever what the CDC has maintained was full of only good quality sound robust data that proves vaccines are safe and did not cause Autism?

            When 2 senators, wrote him official inquires of why he would seal the data the parents needed to prove their vaccine injury cases? Forever?

            The Sen. then asked, for any and all of the communications between the president and his staff and the Pharma Co’s.

            The President then decides,to not seal the VSD.

            The conspiracy does not end there, Sen bill 3 is born. It gives every fallen solders family one hundred thousand dollars retroactive from the first Gulf war. The real reason for Sen. bill 3, was in the back of the bill. It puts all of the Thimerosal lawsuits in the hands of the same two Presidents men.

            The US. Attorney Gen.Ashcroft and HHS Sec.Thompson the same two that the President had ordered to seal the VSD. Forever. So the fix was in,the fix that gives total legal protection to Lilly Pharmaceutical Co. for damage done by the vaccine preservative Thimerosal used in almost all children s vaccines.

            If you cannot see the evil here, in vaccine damaging the children. And then denying them their day in court, and any compensation and health care they need to overcome the vaccine injury.

            Your just as sick as they are.

          • adh1729

            Have fun believing the b00b tube, EE. If you trust Bush and Cheney, you are an idi0t.

            Yes, for sure, we have compulsory public education, supported by compulsory taxation, because we are a land of liberty, and the USA loves its children so much and wants them educated to be rocket scientists and Latin scholars. (Look how well public school is working.)

            Yes, for sure, we provoked the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941 because we loved China so much, the same China that we allowed to fall to Communism in 1949 without so much as lifting a finger, while we had the Bomb.

            Yes, a deluded lone gunman slew JFK in 1963. Then, when RFK got too close to power in 1968, another deluded lone gunman conveniently took him out. Then Teddy conveniently flipped his car the next year. Uh huh.

            Yes, the Great Depression was caused by accident. (It was also accidental that the American people got sold at that time on big government as the solution to all ills.) The massive deflation that wiped out millions of little farmers and businessmen happened because the Federal Reserve didn’t yet understand the principles of deflation and inflation, and didn’t have a printing press. Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1938, when Hitler was getting going.

            Want more?

    • Ellen Mary

      Well maybe y’all ProVax parents should LEARN about Vaccines then. I am not ashamed to the be ONLY parent in my peer group that knows all the brands and formulations on the US market, along with their ingredients & major side effects. Can you tell me one good reason that the majority of parents just say ‘my kid got their baby shots’ without knowing even what disease their child was immunized for, nevermind brand, nevermind formulation, nevermind major listed adverse effects? No one ever said ‘ignorance is POWER’. They said it is bliss but ignorance and medical decisions don’t even belong in the same zip code.

      • Debbie Cahorshak

        Amen. You got that right.

        • informedchoice

          Thats the problem Ellen – most don’t want to learn about them….

    • Hannahoneybee

      Read “Complaints and Disorders” by Barbara Ehrenriech, or “Malepractice” by Dr. Robert Mendalshn. Drugs and medical interventions have a long history of making us sicker, and this fuels the profits of both doctors and drug companies. If you think altruistic public health is the concern of the medical industry, you are sadly mistaken. Drugs given to us by doctors constantly make us sicker, and we are used to it. We read it on the package inserts, and we agree to it. With vaccines, you sign off on the doctor or the drug company being liable for adverse reactions. YOU bear the sole responsibility of your potentially immunodeficiant child (or retarded, or dead, should your child be the “rare” case. rare isn’t never, nor is it even that rare, and when your kid wins the lottery of the effected, that’s on you. If vaccines were a magic health bullet it would be great, and all smart parents would want them. Being cautious is not a crime. The drug companies do not test enough for long term, and they often ignore bad results in order to gain short term profits. Selling a vaccine that can kill you does not bother them if they can’t be help even remotely responsible. it sounds cold, but that’s just business, to them. I know people who work for drug companies. Profit is the motivation, NOT health.
      the sicker you are, the more money to be made. It sounds horrifying and unbelievable, because it is, but deny it at your peril.

      • EE Smith

        .
        “Malepractice” by Dr. Robert Mendalshn

        ————————————————–

        You mean Malpractice by Robert Mendelsohn?

        • Hannahoneybee

          No, the book is “MALEpractice.” he named it that on purpose, because when he was in med school all the students were male and the patients primarily getting screwed were women. Mendalson or Mendalsohn. It’s not specifically about vaccination, but highlights the profit motivation over any altruistic health concerns aspiring
          physicians and their teachers might have.

      • Queen Alice

        I wish this wasn’t true, but I see it myself. It is not what motivates all of us in healthcare, but it is certainly what motivates many . . .

    • Debbie Cahorshak

      Well, I don’t believe vaccines are in the best interest of anybody, but everyone should have the choice to decide what they want to do. I’ll make you a deal, I won’t decide for you and you should not decide for me. I don’t find fault with parents who try to do what they think is best for their children and family. Neither should you.

      How is it we’ve been complacent about vaccines. We’ve been telling everyone not to think a vaccine gave lifelong immunization. We’ve used science’s statistics to show what they are not willing to admit to. We use science all the time.

      How many pathology classes have you taken? How many classes on biology and anatomy & physiology? How about statistics classes? History? How many hours of research have you done? I’ve spent a MANY MANY hours (months/years) if you added them all up doing just that.

      So, don’t think we’re just some hippie diehards that don’t know what we’re talking about. We make it a point to be educated about it. We’re probably better educated on the topic than most physicians. Ask them how much time is spent studying vaccines, you might be surprised at the answer you get.

      So, get off your soapbox and quit claiming you’re doing it for society because you aren’t. You’re doing it because you’re afraid not to. It has nothing to do with the social contract and herd immunity. It has everything to do with your children.

      It’s amazing how the last outbreak of whooping cough had nothing to do with the unvaccinated people and everything to do with the vaccinated people. Science proved that. Do you understand that?

      • Queen Alice

        Or be a nurse for 10 years and take care of ppl getting pneumonia after a bout with the flu that they “got the flu shot for” . . . anecdotal, but after seeing this I began to question flu shots, then other “shots” as well. Good grief, I had measles, mumps, and chickenpox as a kid and here I am. Also, I believe in anyones right to have whatever vaccines they feel comfortable with for themselves and their kids. I believe in my right to do or not do the same. Isn’t this still America?

        • Guest

          You’re a nurse, AND an anti-vaxxer? God help us all.

          • ccdaddy

            You who condone, poisoning children actually have a God.

          • TJM

            Belief in God and acceptance of science are not mutually exclusive.

          • kjindal

            Yrs, ridiculous. Should take an infectious disease course and specifically learn about herd immunity (possibly this will be over the heads of many nurses).

          • Queen Alice

            When you have no facts you stoop to rudeness. . . how quaint. The whole reason I began to question all of this is exactly BECAUSE I learned (and continue to learn) about infectious disease and I know what I deal with day in and day out in hospital settings. And Guest person I love that you are calling me an anti-vaxxer when I clearly stated I believe in a person’s right to have actual facts and not Big Pharma lies and to be able to decide for themselves about vaccines. To use critical thinking skills with reliable information. But perhaps if I just stooped to name calling and belittling remarks it would make my position more valid?

          • adh1729

            yes, thank God a few people still have their brains turned on.

        • Wendy Callahan

          So many nurses get this…so few doctors…bless you.

          • kjindal

            I find that MANY nurses are against vaccines. Just look historically at hospitals’ struggles to mandate flu vaccines.

            A little knowledge is a dangerous thing…

    • Hannahoneybee

      Vaccines aren’t a plot to “harm children.” They are a plot to make money.

      • Wendy Callahan

        Vaccines create customers for life…

      • adh1729

        You don’t understand the plot. There likely is one.

    • Wendy Callahan

      Explain the science of injecting kids with some of the most toxic chemicals on the planet into an immune system no one understands… please…

      • Guts ToSayIt

        You don’t understand it …they do .

        • Wendy Callahan

          No, they don’t…lets ask Dr Kevin.

        • Wendy Callahan

          No they don’t…wonder if Dr Kevin will explain it to us.

  • beth

    My son was injured by the MMR vaccine and we almost lost him. I will never give any vaccines to my children again and if ANYONE asks me my opinion on what to do about vaccines I will tell them!

    • Guest

      My son was injured by the moron parents of an unvaccinated child, and we almost lost him. I will never have anything to do with moron anti-vax parents or their disease-spreading spawn again and if ANYONE asks me my opinion on what to do about vaccines I will tell them!

      • D.N.

        The argument that an unvaccinated child is ANY threat to your “protected” vaccinated child is a fallacy. How can you be pro-vax and actually believe they work but yet- if they come in contact with the disease they are meant to be ‘immune’ from all of a sudden it’s someone else’s fault if your kid contracts the disease… It makes NO sense. Our bodies have an unbelievable ability to fight disease- the natural way. The ‘science’ behind the efficiency of vaccines is purely junk. The fact that you body creates a response to the vaccine is by no means proof that it is working- merely that there has been an assault on the immune system. Do some research for yourself instead of putting your faith in some multi-billion dollar profit pharm. company. & do yourself a favor by not calling anti-vaxers ‘morons’ it shows a lot of your character- esp. considering you have no idea what you are talking about.

        • GT

          Not every child can be vaccinated. Some are too young, some have immune deficiencies… That’s why every child who can be immunized, should be.

          • adh1729

            That is called collectivism at its finest.

        • disqus_MDpJEGVMhK

          can’t fight that excellent point

        • Guts ToSayIt

          The immune system of the individual is the variable . If a child’s immune system is compromised , even if they receive a vaccination they may not physically be able to mount a resistance to the pathogen. When an anti-vax person chooses not to vaccinate and fall ill with a vaccine preventable illness they are a walking time bomb infecting those who choose not to vaccinate and those who have weak immune systems. Now stop making ignorant uninformed and potentially deadly statements

          • Hannahoneybee

            And when the sickly child gets the vaccine? What happens to that child?

          • D.N.

            If the child’s immune system is compromised the vaccine itself can cause serious damage to the child. Besides MOST kids and people in general who are contracting these illnesses ARE ALREADY FULLY VACCINATED, what does that tell you? -Most Vaccines do not provide people with protection for longer than 3-5 yrs. (only a few like tetanus are 7-10 at the very most) so all the teenagers you see who haven’t been vaxed since they were kids are ‘walking time bombs’ to the immune compromised individuals. And the CDC admits that if you are immune compromised you have an incredibly high risk of having a serious or life threatening adverse reaction to the vaccine to begin with- well how the hell are you to know if your or your childs immune system is compromised? You are sure to find out if they are unfortunate enough to die from a reaction or develop a life long medical condition from the vaccine- but honestly, how are you to know? You don’t- that is the gamble. & almost all of the ‘diseases’ that we vaccinate against today in the United States ARE benign childhood illnesses- which means that they are good for us. and we are meant to get them as children, when the risk of complications is very very low. Nature planned it that way- infants can not contract the illnesses because they are protected by mothers breast milk (another importance of breastfeeding) & adults do not contract these illnesses because they are meant to have had them as children. These illnesses can be very risky for adults to contract- which is why it is sooo important for children to be allowed to get them. & After a week of being ill, they have life long immunity- real immunity and their immune system is much stronger because of it. We are absolutely fucking up the way nature has planned and intended us to go through stages in life by vaccinating and over vaccinating. So please do not try to insult me by insinuating that I am spreading misinformation. I am well aware of my statements and the information I am sharing. I would not make a statement I had not researched to be fact, because of the fact that there IS so much misinformation out there- Fear propaganda is what has built the vaccine industry up so high, do some research and stop supporting them.

      • Hannahoneybee

        Obnoxious name calling doesn’t contribute to the discussion. The drug companies says the people most likely to question vaccinations are college educated, so calling them “morons” is moronic on your part.

  • Ellen Mary

    ‘Believing’ in medical treatment, is the WHOLE problem, it is why Vaxes are not subject to RCT and true Placebo trials like other pharmaceuticals, because they are held ‘apriori’ to be absolutely beneficial. When you BELIEVE something is so beneficial that it is above a RCT, you are in the realm of FAITH, not science. Once fewer people BELIEVE in Vaxes and more people, yk, subject them to RCT with true placebos, then viola, we will have more people interested in putting their life/health on the line for them.

    • EE Smith

      “then viola, we will have…”

      Ever notice that most feral anti-vaxxers are functionally illiterate?

      Doesn’t give you much faith in the rest of their pronouncements, does it?

      • Ellen Mary

        I am far from illiterate, champ. If you can’t respond to the content of my comment and instead have to stoop to playing grammar police in a blog comments section, then maybe you have no real response. <3

    • Victoria Kulli

      Where is your proof vaccines are not subject to RCT?

      • Guest

        RCTs are required before a new vaccine is licensed for routine use by a national regulatory authority, such as the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the United States. These people are lying.

        The CDC states:

        “Two types of studies are used to determine how well influenza vaccines work. The first type of study is called a randomized control trial (RCT). In a RCT, volunteers are assigned randomly to either a group that receives vaccine or a group that receives a placebo (e.g., a shot of saline), and vaccine efficacy is measured by comparing the frequency of influenza illness in the vaccinated and the unvaccinated groups. RCTs are required before a new vaccine is licensed for routine use by a national regulatory authority, such as the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the United States. The second type of study is called an observational study. In observational studies the study participants make their own decisions about whether or not to be vaccinated. In this type of study, vaccine effectiveness is measured by comparing the frequency of influenza illness in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, usually with adjustment for factors (like presence of chronic medical conditions) that may vary between the groups.” (See the CDC-dot-gov website for further details.)

    • Kobukvolbane

      I do agree with your premise that music boosts health.

  • Guest

    Because part of their fantasy is that only they know the “truth”, and proof of that lies in the fact that whenever they try to “get the truth out there”, they are systematically silenced by The Powers That Be.

  • bill10526

    I remember well an article by Dr. Jonas Salk, in which article he explained the importance of the take-up parameter lamda. If lamda is high enough, herd immunity kicks in and a vaccination program actually works. Thus the State has a powerful interest in getting lamda as high as possible. Citizens do not have a free right in the matter.

    • Ellen Mary

      Hmmm, a system in which states mandate use of a product which the manufacturer bears NO liability for, and the administrators also bear no liability. How has that gone, historically, putting corporations on the honor system and then mandating that the public purchase and inject their products? How would you predict that would go?

      • bill10526

        Reality says that vaccines are among the greatest benefits for man. None-the-less there is a plaintiffs bar willing to put children at risk to fattened their wallets. It got so bad that the Congress established in the 1980′s a compensation program to permit the manufacture of vaccines. But there now is a significant and obnoxious lottery tax attached to vaccines.

        Ellen Mary’s claims against manufacturers is off the mark entirely. I was saved as a youngster by penicillin produced efficiently by a manufacturer. I am now at the other end of my life taking insulin from GMO microbes. Ellen Mary’s rant sends a chill up my spine.

        • Queen Alice

          These things are not vaccines. There are medicines that are helpful. No one is denying that. If I thought that, I would stop being a nurse. But we should have a right to accept or reject medical treatment for ourselves and our children based on correct information and our critical thinking. NOT on government mandates.

          And Ellen Mary is correct that manufacturers bear no liability in vaccine injuries. Read up on it.

          • bill10526

            You missed my opening comment about lamda. Vaccines work only if the take up percentage is high enough. Thus having people choose to vaccinate or not would have free riders who benefit from high lamda while avoiding any risk to their child.

          • Kobukvolbane

            You are a nurse? Are you an RN?

        • Hannahoneybee

          Vaccines do have known side effects. Manufacturer’s admit it freely. Most parents would be thrilled to vaccinate if vaccinations were safe and more thoroughly tested.

    • ccdaddy

      Maybe in Russia or China, last I heard America was a free Nation.

    • Wendy Callahan

      We have never had herd immunity in this country.

  • Hannahoneybee

    I know you are telling the truth. People believe what they want to believe. There’s no reason for an anti vaccine conspiracy. There is a reason for the drug companies to try to discredit people who don’t vaccinate. money.

    You think by sharing information you are being helpful, but people don’t want their beliefs challenged, often.

    I used to believe in vaccines, but now I don’t. I base that on research and information which has been available since at least the 1970′s, and on testimony of many doctor’s and scientists who say they are skeptical.

    I have no agenda. I would never tell anyone not to vaccinate. Why people think questioning whether enough long term testing has been done on many of the vaccines is bad is beyond me-it hasn’t, and this is admitted in the package inserts. That’s not a conspiracy or fear mongering. it’s common sense.

    Demanding safety is not the same as being a conspiracy theorist.

    • Suzy Q

      Thank you. I have no reason to lie. The stress of this topic is already very hard for me to share without someone putting me down for it. And for people to be so hateful when they haven’t walked in my shoes and don’t know me is sad.

      I think the main problem is that those that are against vaccines are fighting for the right not to put something in their own bodies. The people fighting for vaccines are fighting for the right to put something in other peoples bodies.

      And then when something does go wrong instead of sympathy and understanding those very people who got sick get attacked and told they are not “believed”. I don’t care if these people believe me. I posted for the people who need to hear that there are risks, and to make their own decisions. I posted because if I had known, maybe I would have made a different choice. But thank you so much for saying something on my behalf. There are some very hateful people in this world who really don’t care about humans, but just getting their point across. It is a sad state.

  • Jenna

    The plural of “anecdote” is not “data”. This is not science you’re engaging in. It’s woo.

    • Pam Sparks

      have you ever thought about what they call what doctors and lawyers do? They call it a ‘practice’.

      • Jenna

        …and the collective noun for a group of pugs is “a grumble”. And?

        What has that to do with the fact that you’re substituting a handful of anecdotes for data properly come by via the scientific method?

    • mmer

      Thank you, thank you, thank you

  • Guest

    -

    “Japan just banned the Gardasil vaccine.”

    -

    No, they didn’t.

    If you can’t make your case without lying, maybe you don’t have much of a case in the first place.

  • mmer

    Check out the 300-500 million stories of people that died from polio during the 20th century. Maybe you should ask their family members how they feel about the evils of vaccines and trusting the human body to repair itself.

    • disqus_MDpJEGVMhK

      300-500mill?

    • Hannahoneybee

      Jonas Salk admits the polio vaccine caused cases of polio in many cases. Ask the people who got that if THEY would change their decision.

      • bill10526

        Yes, in recent years actual cases of polio came from the vaccine. But incidence was in several persons and not tens of thousands persons. There are three countries that are giving problems with global eradication. Outside those pain in the ass countries, polio incidence is zero.

  • Guest

    Smith cites the American Academy of Pediatrics as his source, you cite… an article sourced to wingnut anti-vax blog “Gaia Health”?

  • Guest

    “excise” = “excuse”
    “to” = “too”

    You people are scary.

    • Hannahoneybee

      Stick to the topic.

  • Simionie Akavak

    I had foregone many a year without getting flu shots; however, I decided to get one this year, after watching a news broadcast of outbreaks in the USA. I got one in January of this year, and has since suffered from an annoying Tinnitus. I learned later on, that Mercury is added to the flu shots. Is there any way of replacing Mercury from the flu vaccine?

    • GT

      Only the multi-dose vials of flu vaccine contain thimerosal — the single-dose units do not.

      Via the CDC:

      Do the 2012-2013 seasonal flu vaccines contain thimerosal?

      The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved several formulations ofthe seasonal flu vaccine, including multi-dose vials and single-dose units. (See Table of Approved Influenza Vaccines for the U.S. 2012–2013 Season.)
      Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for annual immunization campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible contamination of the vial once it is opened.

      The single-dose units are made without thimerosal as a preservative because they are intended to be opened and used only once. Additionally, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine (the nasal spray vaccine), is produced in single-dose units and does not contain thimerosal.

      Is thimerosal being used in other vaccines?

      Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and all vaccines routinely recommended by CDC for children younger than 6 years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts of thimerosal, except for multi-dose formulations of influenza vaccine. The most recent and rigorous
      scientific research does not support the argument that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful. However, CDC and FDA continually evaluate new scientific information about the safety of vaccines.

      • GT

        Here is the link if you’d like to read more:
        http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

        • ccdaddy

          Tell the people here, that the elderly that took the FLU vaccine got only a 9 % benefit.

          Tell the people here the elderly did get Thimerosal
          that may push them over the edge to Alzheimer’s.

          For a 9 % Benefit! That’s, a National Disgrace.

          • Guest

            Thimersosal causes Alzheimer’s now? Good God, I am amazed how vocal you fools are about your ignorance.

      • ccdaddy

        Tell the people, that all FLU vaccine is made with Thimerosal in the vat.for the anti microbal protection.

        The Thimerosal is chelated out, at the end process without a way to know just how much remained.

        So, you tell someone to get a Thimerosal free. As you can see, it doesn’t exist!

    • usvietnamvet

      I’m one of these allergic to the flu vaccine yet every year I have to fight the VA in order not to get it. I’m old enough to decide on my own.

  • informedchoice

    There are many misconceptions with vaccines:

    1. they don’t make you immune to the disease, ie there is no guarantee you won’t get ill

    2. introducing the disease directly into the blood stream does not kick in the immune system – most diseases have to go through the respiratory system in order for the immune system to recognise it as harmful and therefore able to build up the resistance.

    3. How can anyone believe that ingredients such as mercury, aluminium, formaldehyde, MSG, dead animal cells, etc will protect the body from diseases and illness.

    4. Severity and incidences of diseases dropped off a couple of decades before vaccinations were introduced. This was due to better food and clean drinking water, improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions.

    5. disease rates are much higher in vaccinated children than unvaccinated. Also unvaccinated fare much better should they get ill.

    6. If you are too poorly nourished your body is likely to lack essential nutrients needed to maintain its immune system sufficiently to withstand disease. This will happen regardless of how many vaccinations you have had.

    • Victoria Kulli

      Please give proof of each of these statements. Otherwise you’re just stating opinion.

      • Queen Alice

        There is a great website if you are truly interested:
        National Vaccine Information Center. A lot of information contained here.

        • Victoria Kulli

          Well, actually I’d love a *credible* source of information. This site you pointed me to is full of unsubstantiated misinformation.

          • Hannahoneybee

            Read the package inserts that come with the vaccines. That should be credible enough. Read the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference.) Anyone with an eighth grade education and a dictionary can understand any medical book. Anyone is allowed to purchase a PDR, or look at one in your local library.

    • disqus_MDpJEGVMhK

      amen

    • Guts ToSayIt

      Your whole respiratory argument is simply HILARIOUS !

      Better watch out for that inhaled HIV , CLAP and the rest of the STDs , Hepatitis , and the foodborne illnesses …yup all REQUIRED to enter through the respiratory tract . Confidence and Ignorance is the most deadly combination of them all.

  • JCARN
    • Guest

      Was that paper ever published anywhere respectable, anywhere peer reviewed, or just in a rabid anti-vax blog?

      • Queen Alice

        Perhaps if you’d bothered to read it . . .

    • Michelle

      It’s a study about vaccines given to kids in the 90′s. Again has nothing to do with vaccines now. It’s trying to focus on mercury in vaccines that doesn’t exist anymore.

  • knowitall

    Whooping cough is a “vaccine-preventable illness”? Tell that to all people who did vaccinate against it and still got it! Some were in schools that had a 100% vaccination rate…

    Unfortunately, this is actually a case where the vaccine has done more harm. Current pertussis vaccines actually cause more outbreaks of pertussis particularly in vaccinated people. Sorry to say, not only did you lose your money, but you also got all the vaccine risks and MORE pertussis risk.

    • Michelle

      Do you actually research anything just pull your “facts” out of thin air? While it is clear that we need to work on the acellular part of the vaccine, the vaccine itself does not cause more outbreaks. In fact even in our epidemic stages instead of hundreds per 100,000 getting it only 1 per 100,000 people are infected.

    • usvietnamvet

      What school are you talking about? I want hard facts.

  • Guest

    I have to leave work early today to take my dogs in for their vaccinations. If I don’t keep them up to date on heartworm, parainfluenza, bordatella and distemper, no groomer or boarding kennel will even let them on the premises. If they’re not up to date on rabies, and they’re out in the community, they can be taken and quarantined by Animal Control.

    We as a community by and large understand and accept the importance of vaccinating our pets. It’s just our children we’re willing to take huge chances with.

    • JCARN

      Or maybe it’s just our pets “we’re willing to take huge chances with”??

    • ccdaddy

      You full of it! you sound like a vaccine pushing pharma Shill.

      I dare you to list the ingredients to the vaccines, then I want you to explain to those posting here. How it is, that you see no problem injecting children. With a IQ Lowering, neural-toxic mind altering compound. That you cannot flush into the sewer, without committing a federal crime.

      At 160 times,what the EPA considers as their standard for Liquid Hazardous Waste for Mercury.

      Let me help you out a little, on the MSDS it states concerning the Mercury based Preservative Thimerosal. That was used, in almost all the children’s vaccines.

      MSDS Thimerosal is accumulative in the body, it targets the organs of the body in-particular the brain and the lining around the brain.

      MSDS under re-activity data “never mix Thimerosal with any Aluminum” Guess what is in all children’s vaccines as a catalyst? Aluminum

      MSDS Thimerosal is a mutagenic (meaning it has the express ability to mutate genes)

      MSDS Pregnant women are never supposed to exposed to Thimerosal, for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild to severe mental retardation.

      MSDS If you are exposed to Thimerosal, any future exposures to Mercury may cause Mercury poisoning.

      1948 AMA paid study on Thimerosal revealed that Thimerosal

      is toxic down to a level that is almost unbelievable. Down to 1

      1 millionth of a gram. Dr. Engley the lead researcher said “and that’s about as toxic as you can get” and it must be removed from EVERYTHING! it is in”

      The AMA paid for that study, and it is in the JAMA and the Annal’s of NY Journal.

      In the 90′s slikker from the FDA said Thimerosal not only crosses the BBB but the placental barrier also.

      In 2004 Dr.Burbacher research on baby primates revealed that Thimerosal crosses the Blood Brain Barrier easier than does the fish mercury. And it goes up into the brain, at 2.5 times that as does the fish mercury. Where it turns into Inorganic
      Mercury at 2.5 times that as does the fish mercury.

      1982 the AMA paid team came together again, to make a plea to the FDA to get them to remove this Toxic Mercury
      from children’s vaccines. The FDA, Ignored the request
      for the removal of Thimerosal.

      Just before Dr. Engley died, he said “If they had listened and followed through on our 82 report,then all the vaccines would have been freed from Thimerosal and they tell me all this Autism would have never occurred”

      In 1979 the rates of Autism, were 1 in 10,000 children, so in 1982 the rates would have not changed much for the vaccines
      our children got. Were still, very few

      As the vaccines began to be added to the schedule, the rates of Autism began to rise. When they started giving several of the vaccines at once the rates began to explode.

      Today the rates of Autism are, 1 in 50 children and 1 in 31 boys.

      If they had listened and followed through, on their 82 report.
      The vaccines would have been freed from Thimerosal, and my son that was born in 1990. He would not have gotten, the 7 vaccines all at once. That contained the Mercury.

      He would not have gotten, that knot the size of a mans fist at the injection site. That was burning hot, to the touch,

      And the next day, he would not have had the 3 seizures that
      did destroy his brain and took his speech.

      They call it Autism,as you can see it is vaccine damage.

      • Michelle

        It’s apparent you are passionate because your son was vaccine damaged. But you do realize that the information you are stating has absolutely nothing to do with now. The amount of vaccines has nothing to do with the rise in Autism. Thimerosal is not in any routine child vaccine. I also have no idea where you went to get 7 vaccines at one unless you are actually counting one shot that contains each disease together like MMR or DTap. Which is one vaccine not 3. It sounds like the issue you have is with the mercury that was in the vaccines and it’s not now so your arguments seem invalid.

        • usvietnamvet

          There are many who believe our children suffer autism from TV and video games.

      • usvietnamvet

        Then what we need to be doing is asking that these items be removed. It’s sad that only 30% of us bother voting. If more of us voted the government might be scared of us.

  • Kobukvolbane

    If the people who are anti-vaccination would turn their attention to the toxins that are dumped in our air, soil, and water day after day after day, poisoning us, increasing cancer rates, and causing neurological and endocrine disruptions, maybe we would have some power to stop what is really causing our health problems. The anti-vaccination people don’t want proof they are wrong, and they will not believe any evidence ever. They only want to keep up their rampage.

    • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

      Ewww….how foolish to turn it into an either/or debate. You obviously don’t care who gets harmed to post this. And considering Dr. Paul Offit is the King of anti-vaccination you haven’t even read that even in his disdain he admit some kids are harmed. I really do wonder why people come to a gun fight with a knife:)

      • Kobukvolbane

        Read Sandra Steingraber’s “Living Downstream” and then let me know if you are still so apathetic about this problem. And let me tell you, I am damned quick with a knife. You do not have a chance.

        • Kobukvolbane

          Steingraber may not be your cup of tea, as she backs up her claims with actual science. She is a scientist with a Ph.D in plant ecology.

          • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

            I think you should read the book by the immunologist I recommended earlier in the thread. Then add your picture to your posts so we can at least recognize the eejet with the knife! Ha!

    • Wendy Callahan

      One thing at a time…

      • Kobukvolbane

        Sounds good. Stopping our use of petrochemicals for EVERYTHING–we put them on our body, in our hair as well as breath them and eat them. If we stopped or cut down drastically on burning oil and coal, and on using oil for all our needs, including for pesticides, we would also mitigate the problem of rapid climate change cause by high levels of carbon. After we get that done, I’ll see how many autistic and overweight kids we have. The problem with the anti-vaccination crowd is they have no evidence. Don’t vaccinate your kids. Just keep them away from mine.

        • rollersen1

          if your kids are vaccinated, then you have nothing to worry about, isn’t that why you vaccinate? you people are not thinking critically, you believe whatever a billion dollar industry tells you…think!!! most so called studies on vaccinations are funded by big pharma and most think it’s unethical to not vaccinate kids, so where is your evidence?

          • Kobukvolbane

            You are seriously scary and seem to take pride in being informed. Yes, I checked out what you had to say on another thread, and it was appalling. Nuff said.

    • Hannahoneybee

      Most people who don’t vaccinate do have their attention turned to the toxins in the air, soil, and water. According to the drug companies, the “educated middle class” are the largest group questioning vaccines. They are the people buying water filters and concerned with the ocean and planting organic gardens, too. Those crazy think-for-yourselfers.

      • Kobukvolbane

        I would be glad to hear that those declining vaccinations for their children are educated, but it’s not true. They may be middle class, but they know nothing of science. It is certainly true that any medicine strong enough to cause an effect is strong enough to cause a side effect. Any medicine, even those these well-educated people are picking up at their local organic market. I hope they are well-educated enough to know where most of the mercury in the environment comes from. And that it’s longer lasting in the body than thimerosol (which is no longer in children’s vaccines, but the prevalence of autism rises.) Problem is, the environmental illnesses often take years to come to light, and that makes them easy to dismiss. We live so closely with harmful chemicals, we come to see them as harmless. Easier just to say your child will not be vaccinated than it is to fight the coal plants. At least you’re doing something, right?
        It’s useless to argue and to call names. I know this is a waste of my time. It’s probably true that some vulnerable children have problems with vaccines. But it’s not the major problem in this world now. Mercury poisoning our oceans has NO good effect, while vaccines do.

        • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

          This post looks like willful ignorance. If you admit the environment is causing problems then you are in the same neighborhood as problems caused by the shots.

          It’s easily proven and footned in the UK papers who isn’t immunizing, and I think Harper’s covered it recently with an award winning journalist Eula Biss (since it’s doubtful you will look it up I will sum it up for you. She is a high earner who at least studied the topic before speaking out. She did immunize because she felt it helped her lower income community).

        • http://www.twitter.com/alicearobertson Alice Robertson

          If you had studied before posting you would have found this at the AMA site:

          snippet: One survey found that parents of unvaccinated children were more likely than parents of undervaccinated children (those who receive at least one vaccine) to be white, married, college-educated, and high-income earners and to have five or more children [17]

          • Michelle

            and this is why they don’t vaccinate because there is no threat to them. they have money so they are immune. schooling does not mean science and vaccine educated.

  • Guts ToSayIt

    I assume you and your children are healthy Pam …could we test that theory out on you :)

  • DoctorTipster

    I find the whole anti-vaccination thing to be a kind of a trendy thing. The way I’ve come to see it, people are following a “buzz” which is also related to adopting alternative medicine as a sole solution (other than supplementary solution to traditional medicines) and rebelling against different medical treatments. Vaccinations today offers a very high level of protection against some of the worst diseases which are still out there, the disadvantages can only overcome the advantages among those who follow a buzz rather than conduct a reliable inquiry !

  • traumadoc

    i am speaking up—YES! i have, am and will always believe in the power of vaccines!!!
    in a small crowded world that we live in—i wouldn’t take a chance not having vaccines….

  • Ginger

    A teen at church had the Whooping Cough. She missed nearly an entire semester of school and had a problem with her eyes because she coughed so hard. I would never discourage anyone from vaccinating their child. I feel like it’s a duty of being a member of the community.

  • amazonmom

    Being a NICU nurse in King County can be frustrating. Parents think Dr Google and Dr Bing are smarter than the CDC and real MDs. Usually we do get them to agree to pertussis vaccination because so many out here get it, and babies die and make the local news.

  • Stacy Mintzer Herlihy

    I co-authored an entire book about this subject. Parents need to speak up! I’m sick and tired of people like Jenny McCarthy speaking for us.

    • Lisa Miller

      What’s your book called?

      • Stacy Mintzer Herlihy

        Lisa, the book is called Your Baby’s Best Shot: Why Vaccines are Safe and Save Lives. It’s in over three hundred libraries all across America.

    • heartdoc345

      It’s only going to get worse now that she’s on “The View.”

      • usvietnamvet

        Then don’t watch it. Let your feet do the talking.

    • rollersen1

      we vaccinated 2 out 4 of our children, one developed a peanut allergy after a vaccine and the other developed Asthma after a vaccine – we no longer vaccinate – I know the programmed answer here is that they are unrelated, so don’t lecture me about it – I care deeply for my children and I don’t trust faulty science, the toxic ingredients in the vaccines and a billion dollar Big Pharma industry!

      • Stacy Mintzer Herlihy

        My mom was allergic to cats and she did not get many of the same vaccines. Her granddaughters are not allergic to cats. Therefore vaccines must prevent allergies to cats!

        • rollersen1

          and you wrote a book, that is frighting!

          • Stacy Mintzer Herlihy

            You really should read the. You might learn that vaccines don’t contain toxins, that vaccines make very little profit for pharm companies and that vaccines do not cause asthma. The book is in over three hundred libraries. Please look for it at a library near you.

  • Lisa Miller

    I vow to speak up!!

  • Allison Falin

    I have been speaking up for years and will continue to do so!

  • Elizabeth Soliday

    I don’t believe in vaccines for so many good, educated reasons. The best one is that man cannot even hope to improve on the bodies God made us and this is proved over and over in the medical community’s own precious medical journals.

    • usvietnamvet

      Tell that to the kids that were maimed or killed by polio or smallpox. I believe they would disagree.

  • Madison Oleson

    the reason non-vaccinating parents speak up is because their decision is one that evolved from extensive research, while vaccinating parents often don’t know much about the subject– they are often just doing as told without knowing why. Non-vaccinating parents talk about their decision because they can. Because they made a conscious decision, and because they have a real reason behind their choice.
    And let me be the one to tell you all about witnessing three preschool aged children–all fully vaccinated for whopping cough–contracting the illness. Last year, a third of whooping cough cases in children occurred in children who had been fully vaccinated. So why do we continue to believe the vaccines are doing what they are supposed to? There is no evidence of vaccine effectiveness and no evidence of their safety over the long term.

  • RevJack

    The problem is that we are often confusing the will of a trillion dollar medical industry with science. We are not sold vaccines because they are good for us but because they are good for the medical industry. Even the so called science and review literature is faked and bought. So yes there are a ton of people telling us we need our shots but with all the money behind the industry there is precious little good science on the effects of multiple vaccines on newborns immune systems or even how much actual immunization occurs.

    • rollersen1

      well said – every time I ask a pediatrician a question about a vaccine, they get mad and break out the scare tactics – no evidence, no journal articles

  • Otter

    Parents who choose not to vaccinate their children and protect them with vaccine exemption forms are often chastised and stereotyped for putting their own kids at risk. But what is even stranger than this assault on individual freedom and informed choice, is that these concerned parents are attacked for putting vaccinated children at risk.
    These attacks are based on the theory of “herd immunity.” This hypothesis was plucked out of an old college textbook. It states that the more people are immune to an infectious agent, the less likely an immune-compromised individual is to come in contact with it. In other words herd immunity serves as a human shield – a type of immunity – for “at-risk” individuals. But remember, it’s only a hypothesis.
    When outbreaks arise among children, health officials are quick to state that it’s due to a breakdown in ‘herd immunity.‘ Doctors parrot it too, without even looking at the research. They say it’s happening more often nationwide as states make it easier for parents to opt out of vaccinations.
    Like argumentative apes, pro-vaccine parents and their physicians start pounding their chest in favor of such statements. They use them to attack anti-vaccine parents, accusing them of “putting vaccinated kids at risk due to a breakdown in herd immunity.”
    This is fuzzy logic. And it’s borderline stupid.
    After all, if vaccines truly worked, then why would vaccinated kids be at risk?
    …Plus, the spread of infection isn’t limited to coming into contact with another person! You can get sick without ever seeing another individual. Therefore, herd immunity is nothing more than a silly catch-phrase used to scare and bully parents into vaccinating their kids. Don’t fall for it parents, keep using the vaccine exemption forms to legally avoid them.
    Parents Should Question Vaccine Safety and Effectiveness by Using Vaccine Exemption
    Instead of using an unproven hypothesis to question parents who have opted out, pro-vaccine parents should be questioning the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. With dozens of vaccines being forced on the public, some healthy skepticism could go a long way toward raising a vibrantly healthy child.
    My background as a medicinal chemist taught me to rely on proven research. I learned to be less sensitive to emotional arguments and more sensitive to facts supported by reproducibility. This is one of the main principles of the scientific method. It refers to the ability of a test or experiment to be accurately reproduced. As a parent, I have a responsibility to use my training to make decisions for my family. Especially when it comes to potentially dangerous vaccinations.
    In my own research, I have uncovered facts that every parent should be aware of. Here are three primary reasons why I have not and will not vaccinate my own children and why I’ve used vaccine exemption forms
    for public school and more:
    Reason #1: Vaccination Does Not Always Mean “Immunization”
    Vaccines are purported to work by triggering the body’s natural immunity. By injecting weak or dead infectious agents through our skin, it’s believed that the body will create the appropriate immune defense. They are even called “immunizations.”
    And while this idea is over two hundred years old, it’s not nearly as effective as the pharmaceutical companies, doctors and government agencies want you to believe.
    At best, vaccines boost our defenses only temporarily. That’s because your immune system is programmed to recognize and attack invaders that come through the biological “front door.” That would be your nose, mouth and eyes. It doesn’t work properly when we shove infection into our body with a needle.
    The World Health Organization (WHO) underscored this fact in their report titled, Immunization, Vaccines and Biologicals. They wrote that, “Children under two years of age do not consistently develop immunity following vaccination.” Therefore, vaccines can fly “below the radar” of our immune system.
    Not only does this weaken the immune system, it renders many vaccines ineffective.
    And history proves this to be the case…
    [RELATED: Nature's Immune Booster is Potent Antibiotic. See the facts here.]
    The Polio Vaccine
    Polio is the most feared childhood illness. It has caused paralysis and death for much of human history. The world experienced a dramatic increase in polio around 1910. Epidemics became regular events. They were the driving force behind a great race toward the development of a polio vaccine. The vaccine was developed in 1953 and an oral version came soon after.
    But the vaccines came too late. Thanks to better hygiene, sanitation and nutrition, the rates of polio infection had already plummeted as documented in my book, Over-The-Counter Natural Cures. And it’s a good thing, because both forms were a total failure. In fact, instead of preventing polio… they actually caused it!
    Medical journals around the world have exposed this outcome. The Medical Journal of Australia discovered “the relation of prophylactic inoculations [polio vaccines] to the onset of poliomyelitis [polio]” as far back as 1951.
    And the trend has continued…
    In a 2007 article, entitled “Nigeria Fights Rare Vaccine-Derived Polio Outbreak,” Reuters showed how the vaccine itself ignited outbreaks of polio in Nigeria, Chad and Angola.
    And according to The Indian Journal of Medical Ethics, the polio vaccine program launched by Bill Gates paralyzed 47,500 children in 2011 alone. And those injured by the vaccine died at twice the rate of those infected by “wild” polio!
    Whooping Cough
    The same scenario was repeated in the case of the whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine. Between 1900 and 1935, mortality rates due to whooping cough dropped by 79 percent in the United States. Yet, the vaccine (DTP and DTaP) wasn’t introduced until 1940.
    Today, those who have been “immunized” are the most susceptible to whooping cough.
    Researchers with the CDC publicly stated in 2002 that, “the number of infants dying from whooping cough is rising, despite record high vaccination levels.” In 2009, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution recognized the trend too. In the article titled, “Whooping Cough Vaccine not as Powerful as Thought,” the publication highlighted a recent cluster of 18 whooping cough-infected students. Seventeen of those students – 95% of those infected – had been immunized with five doses of DTaP vaccine.
    Measles, Mumps, Rubella
    The measles vaccine is no different. In 1957, the MMR shot became widely used in an effort to eradicate measles, mumps, and rubella. The The CDC insisted that it would eliminate mumps in the United States by the year 2010.
    But rather than preventing mumps and measles, the vaccine has actually caused widespread epidemics. Outbreaks have become the norm. And those who have suffered the most were “vaccinated.”
    Between 1983 and 1990, there was a 423% increase in measles cases among vaccinated individuals. Then in 2006, the largest mumps outbreak in twenty years occurred. Among those infected, 63% were “immunized,” as shown by Neil Miller in Vaccines: Are They Safe and Effective? Others found similar results.
    In The Journal of Infectious Diseases, scientists from Vanderbilt University School of Medicine wrote, “Vaccine failure accounted for a sustained mumps outbreak in a highly vaccinated population.”
    In his book, How to Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor, the late Dr. Robert Mendlesohn, MD showed that vaccinated individuals are 14 times more likely to contract mumps than unvaccinated.
    These stunning vaccine failures led the Iowa Department of Public Health to conclude that, “…Our most important public health tool against this disease—2 doses of MMR vaccine—is not providing the necessary levels of protection to control mumps in the U.S. population.”
    Even the Mayo Clinic – a bastion of mainstream medicine – states that, “vaccine failure has become increasingly apparent.”
    Flu Vaccine Failure
    The flu vaccine has proven just as worthless…
    In 2007, the CDC reported that it had “no or low effectiveness” against influenza or influenza-like illnesses. The data showed that the flu vaccine protected no more than 14% of those who received it. And this wasn’t some fluke. The vaccine is rarely any more effective than that.
    Even The New York Times reports that, “The influenza vaccine, which has been strongly recommended for people over 65 for more than four decades, is losing its reputation as an effective way to ward off the virus.”
    Doctors who do their homework understand that vaccines are ineffective. Dr. Ira Goodman MD, FACS, ABHIM, a surgeon from Loyola Medical School is one of them. Through email correspondence, he told me he is against vaccines simply because “they don’t work!”
    The failure of vaccines has finally gone mainstream. But instead of admitting that they don’t offer protection, health officials and the pharmaceutical companies are pushing for MORE vaccines as the solution. When you consider the number of outright toxins contained in these experimental concoctions, the implications are chilling.
    Reason #2 Vaccines Expose Kids to Toxins
    According to fact sheets put out by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the Food & Drug Administration (FDA), vaccines are brimming with toxins. These include dozens of chemicals, heavy metals and allergens. They also include numerous objectionable ingredients, such as monkey kidney cells and aborted fetal tissue.
    Formaldehyde is just one of many chemicals found in vaccines. And according to the FDA, “Excessive exposure to formaldehyde may cause cancer.” Another ingredient in the cocktail is a chemical known as 2-phenoxyethanol. This comes with an FDA warning which states that, “It can depress the central nervous system and may cause vomiting and diarrhea, which can lead to dehydration in infants.”
    And that’s just the tip of the iceberg…
    In addition to mercury and aluminum, many vaccines are also spiked with antibiotics like neomycin, polymyxin B, streptomycin and gentamicin. These drugs aren’t even approved for uninfected children!
    Despite this emerging toxic threat, Parenting Magazine and Dr. Paul Offit stated that, “In theory, healthy infants could safely get up to 100,000 vaccines at once.” Are you kidding me? He won’t be testing that theory on my children. I wonder if he’s willing to stab himself that many times to prove it?
    I queried numerous physicians via email and phone to find out if they shared Dr. Offit’s ideas. They didn’t. Dr. Suzanne Humphries, MD was adamant that, “Vaccines put children at risk for a form of kidney disease called nephrotic syndrome. This can be caused by a common ingredient – Bovine Serum Albumin. Doctors just give children steroids to suppress the symptoms, never knowing what the cause was.”
    If parents need further proof of toxicity, they can read vaccine package inserts. The insert for the DPT vaccine from Sanofi Pasteur warns that, “A review by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) found evidence for a causal relation between tetanus toxoid and both brachial neuritis and Guillain-Barré syndrome [pain and loss of nerve and motor function].” Makers of the Tripedia vaccine for DTaP state that certain outcomes are so frequent that they had to list them. These reactions include:
    • Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
    • Anaphylactic reaction
    • Cellulitis (a bacterial skin infection)
    • Autism
    • Convulsion/Seizures
    • Brain dysfunction
    • Low muscle tone and strength
    • Nerve damage
    • Hyperventilation/apnea
    These are some damn good reasons to use vaccine exemption forms.
    Vaccine supporters will insist that the benefits outweigh these toxicity risks. But that would only be true if vaccination was the only road to immunization.
    Reason #3 Kids Can Build Immunity Naturally
    We are all at risk from various “biological nasties.” Invisible threats are everywhere…A single gram of feces can contain more than 10 million viruses, 1 million bacteria, 1,000 parasite cysts and 100 parasite eggs.
    The goal is to minimize risk by increasing our immunity, naturally. In Over-The-Counter Natural Cures, I showed how innate and adaptive immunity act as our God-given protection from biological nasties.
    But, you have to support these Gatekeepers of health with proper nutrition, hygiene, sanitation and natural medicine like andrographis. Just as hand washing saved millions from infant mortality in a hospital setting, healthy habits minimize exposure and boost our natural defenses. The science supporting this won the Nobel Prize in 2011!
    Bruce Beutler and Jules Hoffmann discovered that we are hard-wired with special receptors that recognize foreign invaders and activate our immune response. Ralph Steinman then found that special cells of the immune system possess the unique capacity to activate the immune response, which clears biological nasties from the body. And all of this occurs without vaccination!
    [RELATED: Nature's Immune Booster is Potent Antibiotic. See the facts here.]
    Decline in Disease Not Caused by Vaccination
    Further research has shown that the historical decline in infectious diseases – that parents are now vaccinating against – were not the result of inoculation, like doctors blindly and wrongly assert. Instead, the decline began years before the vaccines were introduced thanks to improved habits of hygiene, sanitation and nutrition that raised our natural immunity.
    Differences among immunity reflect the importance of healthy habits…Ever wonder why two people (even in the same household) can be exposed to the same virus while one of them is laid up in bed for a week and the other doesn’t feel the slightest effect?
    And why is it that while nearly 50 million people died from the Spanish flu in 1918… the case fatality rate was from two to five percent? That means that 95 to 98 percent of those who contracted the flu recovered fully. And that says nothing of the hundreds of millions of people who came into contact with the virus, but never became ill at all.
    The difference is our individual immune system.
    And the bottom line is that your habits have a great deal of control over it, as shown in Nobel winning science. Work with it to acquire protection.
    There are no Silver Bullets Against Infection, but You Have Options
    There is no silver bullet, though.
    Despite our best efforts at nutrition, hygiene and sanitation, the immune system can still fail. Fortunately, in many cases, emergency medicine can help.
    With all this science and technology at our fingertips, I’m not willing to risk my children’s health on the antiquated vaccine theory… nor the toxic brew they contain.
    That doesn’t make me a religious “nut job” or conspiracy theorist. It simply means that I am an informed and caring parent with healthy kids who don’t need to rely on risky medicines or “herd immunity.” And since herd immunity is nothing more than an antiquated theory – and not something that is actually protecting kids form infections – pro-vaccine parents shouldn’t give a shit about my non-vaccinated kids or my use of vaccine exemption forms.
    Educate before you vaccinate.

  • usvietnamvet

    I can remember when parents were scared out of their minds that their child might get polio and had friends who got it and some died. I think one of the big problems right now is that too many vaccines are being given too close together which make the side effects worse. I made sure my kids got vaccines but I wouldn’t let them give combo vaccines to them after my son got a bad reaction. Most doctors were fine with this.

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