Patients don’t matter as much as payment in our system

Patients don’t matter as much as payment in our system

Ok, I’ll admit it: I had no idea.  I thought that the whining and griping by other doctors about EMR was just petulance by a group of people who like to be in charge and who resist change.  I thought that they were struggling because of their lack of insight into the real benefits of digital records, instead focusing on their insignificant immediate needs.  I thought they were a bunch of dopes.

Yep.  I am a jerk.

My transition to a new practice gave me the opportunity to dump my old EMR (with all the deficiencies I’ve come to hate) and get a new, more current system.  I figured that someone like me would be able to learn and master a new EMR with ease.  After all, I do understand about data schema, structured and unstructured data, I know about MEDCIN, SNOMED, and HL-7 interfaces.  Gosh darn it, I am a card-carrying member of the EMR elite!  A new product should be a piece of cake!

So, imagine my shock when I was confused and befuddled as I attempted to learn this new product.  How could someone who could claim a bunch of product enhancements as my personal suggestions have any problem with a different system?  The insight into the answer to this sheds light onto one of the basic problems with EMR systems.

Problem 1: Different languages

As I struggled to figure out my new system, it occurred to me that I felt a lot like a person learning a new language.  Here I was: an expert in German linguistics and I was now having to learn Japanese.  Both are systems of written and spoken code that accomplish the same task: communication of data from one person to another.  Both do so using many of the same basic elements: subjects, objects, nouns, verbs.  Both are learned by children and spoken by millions of people.  But both are very, very different in many ways.

The reason for my feeling this way is that, at their core, EMR products are computer programs.  They are written by engineers with physicians (many of whom have left clinical practice to work for the EMR company) consulting to help shape the product.  The object of the program may be physician use, but their heart is that of an engineer.  So the storage of the data, the organization of the medical information, the location of where anything can be found, is based much more on the nature of the programmer than anything else.

Problem 2: Strengths vs. weaknesses

The idea of an EMR is (reputedly) to simplify the task of health care providers in documenting care and retrieving the information quickly.  The reality is that some things are of higher priority to one EMR manufacturer than another.  Tasks that were simple in my old system (putting in labs, generating letters with structured data, getting a quick overview of a person’s record) are difficult in the new system.  The new system, however, does other tasks much better (auto-completion of lab data, management of referrals, interfacing with patient portal, etc).

I am amazed at how many steps it takes to do tasks my old EMR vendor did quickly.  Why did they make it so hard?  It comes down to priorities, and for whatever reason (CCHIT, Meaningful Use, Moon Phase) some things get high priority, while others are consigned to the “later” pile.

Problem 3: The system

The fundamental reason EMR systems are so difficult is not the nature of the programmers making it or the doctors using it; it is that EMR’s are grown in the hot-house of a chaotic and arbitrary health care system.  It makes no clinical sense that there are a gazillion ICD-9 codes, but there are, and any EMR system wanting success needs to devote lots of effort to ICD-9 (and soon to ICD-10 – yippee).  The structure of most office notes are not to give the best clinical information in the simplest format; notes are generated for the sake of proper billing, including a 10:1 ratio of useless to useful information.  Most notes are like a small gift contained in a large box of packing material, with the majority of information simply getting in the way of what is really wanted.  EMR systems are well-designed to generate lots and lots of packing material.

The system I chose does the E/M office visit very well, but does so at the cost of hiding useful information and de-emphasizing what is most clinically helpful for the sake of E/M codes, or what will qualify the practice for “meaningful use” money.  I don’t fault the system for it, since we doctors spend far more of our time focused on E/M codes and “meaningful use” than on patient care.  That is one of the big reasons I left my old practice.

The reality is that EMR systems are designed to finesse the payment system more than they are for patient care.  That is because the thing we call “health care” refers to the payment system, not to actual patient care.  My frustration with my current EMR system is not that it doesn’t do it’s job well (it still is better than my old one … I think), it’s that it is grown on a planet where the honor being a healer is being consumed by the curse of being a provider.  Patients don’t matter as much as payment in our system, so EMR systems will follow those priorities.  Those who don’t will not succeed.

So to those I have scorned in the past, I bow my head in shame.  I got good at using a complex tool that allowed me to manage the insanity of our system.  It turns out that my skill was a very narrow one.

Rob Lamberts is an internal medicine-pediatrics physician who blogs at More Musings (of a Distractible Kind).

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1338422225 Tom Garvey

    Amen! Ezekiel Emmanuel, one of the architects of this boondoggle, said,

    “Has this provision of the Recovery Act [to subsidize electronic health records] actually helped the recovery? According to the Department of Health and Human Services, over 50,000 high-paying health IT jobs were created between 2009 and 2011. Additionally, the Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that the number of health IT jobs will increase by 20 percent from 2008 to 2018 — faster than any other occupation. And the number of vendors offering EHR’s that fulfill government requirements has tripled to 600.”

    “An Unsung Victory in Healthcare”, Reuters, March 6, 2012

    Sorry, Dr. Emmanuel. I am not thrilled about the government subsidizing more jobs relating to the healthcare system that are not directly involved in patient care. I am not thrilled by 600 government-subsidized EHR software companies building information silos with lousy interfaces and paying lobbyists to entrench their interests.

    The first priority for EHRs should be access to patient data across all systems. We need a single patient information database administered by a the federal government. Let UNSUBSIDIZED private innovators compete to make the best and cheapest interfaces to utilize that database the same way that Chrome, Firefox, and Explorer compete to help us utilize the government-administered internet. Meanwhile, euthanize Meaningful Use, ICD-10 and the parasitic pay-scavenging they encourage.

    • John

      great post. It did start long before Zeke and the current admin though,

    • http://warmsocks.wordpress.com/ WarmSocks

      We need a single patient information database administered by a the federal government
      Why? Because the government has demonstrated efficiency in how the post office and social security administration are run? Because tax returns, passport applications, and medicare claims are processed in a timely, accurate manner? Because we need to create even more govermnent jobs paid for with even higher taxes?

      I believe that a government database would be run as efficiently as the post office, and requests for assistance would be handled as quickly as medicare claims are processed. The government is NOT who I would hire if I wanted something done well.

      There are already huge problems when doctors in a system make data entry mistakes and they are shared with others in the system. Expanding that to the entire country would be disastrous. If you believe that patients will share honestly with doctors when we know that our private information will be entered into a computer run by the federal government, freely available to any medical worker in the country, you might want to re-think your position.

      • Anon

        First, the postal system’s losses are due to generous pension costs. Without pension costs, they would have a profit. Unlike other federal departments, the postal system is cut off from the federal government and their pensions are not subsidized by federal borrowing.

        Second, Social Security is also profitable. However the funds raised from Social Security taxes are not protected from the federal government, and politicians have used the Social Security fund as their personal piggy bank to pay defense contractors and subsidize their wars.

        Third, EMR was implemented, without the input of most physicians, due to the lobbying of a handful of persons/entities and financially benefits them.

        Physicians are disenfranchised from the whole political process. It won’t be long before we get bullied by politicians and the public and become public servants. Whoops, that happened already.

        • http://warmsocks.wordpress.com/ WarmSocks

          Profitabilty isn’t the issue. Efficiently providing services is the issue. USPS does not provide good service. There is a reason that FedEx and UPS have done so well. The Social Security Administration provides even worse service than the USPS. Long lines (wait times) and lousy service are the standard at government-run agencies. There is no good reason to have the government involved in medical records or patient care.

          • southerndoc1

            Send every bit of mail by Fed Ex, look at the cost, and you’ll understand why their service is better.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1338422225 Tom Garvey

            The above is a perfect example of the respective benefits of government versus private roles. The post office mostly does the universal pedestrian services without which society would be much worse off (letters, bills, non-urgent documents and packages), whereas Fed Ex etc. provide specialized, expensive services where speed is of the essence.

            As for quality service, Fed Ex once lost the only pathology slides of my own malignancy. They have their own deficiencies.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1338422225 Tom Garvey

        Private corporations subsidized by the government are the worst of both systems. Let the government do what the government does well (nation-sized, conceptually simple projects), and let the unsubsidized (truly free) market do what it does well (rapid, user-friendly innovation with niche flexibility). Other governments in the first world have created national health databases and done them well. These databases create not only efficiency in medicine, but invaluable tools for massive observational research. As for privacy, I trust no one. I don’t trust the government, but I trust corporations even less. All interventions have potential side effects. If the benefits outweigh the risks, you do your best to minimize the latter and do what’s best for the patient.

    • Docbart

      Without the “Meaningful Use” boondoggle, EMR would have remained just another fantasy of “Lunar Colony” Newt Gingrich and his “think tank”. Pull the plug on that? Perhaps docs and hospitals could start sorting out how much EMR systems are really worth to them.

    • Hirdey Bhathal

      We are launching a new platform, ZibdyHealth, to help patients to address personal data issue. There is no federal funding here; just a startup with some very bold ideas. We believe that healthcare is a global problem which needs to be address at the same level. Trying to fix healthcare in one community or hospital at a time is not a solution.

      There are plenty of regulations written since you wrote this article. AHA and MU have pushed providers to share patient data but it is far from reality. In San Diego, there are 9 large hospital systems and they were given grants via Beacon Community project to create an exchange; 18 months and $16M later, less than half of these organizations will be part of this limited exchange for the providers.
      The patient is still completely left out of this exchange.

      Discharge instructions are still a big issue. Patient is asked to come back in 2 weeks for an appointment but those two weeks are black hole.

      I can go on and on but you probably know more on this subject than us. No amounts of regulations are going to help. This is similar to asking Google to share user search history with Bing so that users truly benefits and we know that will never happen. Data is competitive advantage. If I had my data I would probably go to some
      neighborhood doctor for cold and flu rather than a big hospital. Insurance will work with me if I find cheaper solution.

      So why don’t we empower patient. There is lots of talk about it but we take same old approach depends on healthcare provider to give us patient records. This running around in circles will not solve this problem.

      The platform we are developing breaks this absolute control of healthcare provider with very little work by patients. We need to make it very simple and easy for patient to use it and it shouldn’t take more than 10-30 seconds put or get information out of any platform. Our platform, ZibdyHealth will work with providers but we do not need
      them to create patient medical history. It may not be perfect solution in the beginning but even partial success can turn into a big step forward and we will keep improving and innovating. We are offering our solution completely free and plan to keep it that way.

      ZibdyHealth team

  • Mimi Emig

    I wholeheartedly agree. As a consultant, I have received volumes of EMR notes, many of which clearly meet criteria for high-level billing; on some of these, I cannot even discern why the patient was seen nor what the plan was. I have taken to including a cover letter to my referring providers after a patient’s visit that summarizes the salient points in a few sentences, to ensure that key clinical information is transmitted and not lost in the long EMR note.

    • LeoHolmMD

      Physicians will likely have to come up with an entirely separate documentation system that actually relays patient information that is relevant to care. We can call it “the medical record”.

  • http://doctor-rob.org/ Dr. Rob

    I am not a big fan of a single database, although I think pooling data in a way that is de-identified would give us incredibly powerful information. Instead of putting all the money in one bank (to use an image where it works without centralizing), I’d leave them in their respective places and allow access to them from differing parties in different ways. Patient data should be accessible by permission, much as a person has access to their financial information wherever they keep it. I should be able to view patients’ information I have access to, regardless of where it is stored.

    An alternative solution is for me to build as comprehensive a PHR for my patients as I can. If I can give them access to their records, and put them in charge of part of it (the part they know most about – their demographics, past history, what symptoms they are having, and what medications they are taking), then there is something quite useful. The advent of mobile technology means they never need be far away from their own data. This needs to be a collaboration, though, not a unilateral PHR, as those have clearly never succeeded. If I help my patients build a good PHR, then I will not have to put much of the information on the patient into their EMR, as I can simply view it in that record.

  • LeoHolmMD

    Can’t say the “naysayers” didn’t tell you so. Physicians are not change or technology averse…they just know when something sucks and doesn’t serve them or patients.

  • Docbart

    Come back to the light! Paper charts are still available. You already know the language. We all do. We can communicate without EMR systems and the support mechanism they required sucking billions out of the healthcare system.

    • http://doctor-rob.org/ Dr. Rob

      So would you trust a bank that didn’t use computers to manage their books? I think shunning technology altogether is foolish (and dangerous).

      • Docbart

        Who said anything about banks or computers? Nice try for a straw man argument. I love computers. I use them for scheduling, accounts receivable, electronic prescribing and I am using one now. They are great for some things, not yet for others. Why should we waste billions of dollars and hours using a technology that does not yet do a better job on medical records? Why? Because lots of folks get to suck lots of money out of the healthcare system by getting us to do just that.

        Perhaps we could get computers that run just a little bit hotter than our current ones, and we could cook on them. We wouldn’t need stoves, ovens or microwaves? Sound silly? Use what works. Paper charts work easily, cheaply, securely, reliably, EMR doesn’t.

        • http://doctor-rob.org/ Dr. Rob

          If you talk about using paper charts instead of a computerized medical record, I think you are doing something as radical as I suggested. Paper charts are terrible. The information management in medicine is orders of magnitude more complex than financial transactions, and so EMR had big promise. Attacking current EMR products and suggesting going back to paper as the alternative is more ridiculous (in my opinion) than suggesting paper. I believe in computers to manage complex data. Paper? Come on!

          • drd

            I think this is more an issue of control; If you will a power struggle. Physicians want the EMR’s to actually help clinicians NOT for billing purposes.
            Unless the powers that be, will actually create the EMR’s appropriately—for the clinician, I think the doctors that choose paper are just trying to get control back of their own notes. Sort of like freedom of speech.

          • Docbart

            As a practitioner, I see and treat patients, not data. My paper charts work fine for that purpose. I don’t practice to serve the needs of anyone but my patients. I see office notes generated by EMR systems. They resemble packing invoices and are mostly worthless, except for billing purposes.

            If EMR were so useful, you wouldn’t need to spend billions to incentivize doc’s and hospitals to adopt that system. No one had to pay me to use computers where they help me. If I thought EMR would help me, I would have it. Who incentivized the public to switch to smartphones? It works better, so people pay extra to get it. The incentives are only distorting what the market would have people do on their own. Docs and hospitals mostly shunned EMR because its benefits don’t outweigh its costs unless bonuses and penalties are introduced into the equation.

          • drd

            Yes it’s called freedom of speech.

      • http://www.facebook.com/obinna.akunna Obinna Akunna

        Let’s be clear….physicians, and I am one, have been embracing technology for decades…palm pilot, pubmed, digital xrays, iPhones, ipads…I could go on. The problem with EHR is that it sucks. It sounds good in theory but it is not ready for primetime and so we are forced to use it or are branded as dinosaurs.

        • http://doctor-rob.org/ Dr. Rob

          I used EHR to have better income than 90% of other physicians in my specialty while improving quality numbers (colon cancer screening, pneumovax) by 100%. This was possible because I used it as a tool, not as a total solution. Again, I think attacking EHR is fine (read future posts published elsewhere to see what I think) is not the same as defending paper. Car crashes don’t justify buying horses. Fix the car, don’t go back to horses. Really, it is utterly ridiculous to suggest paper as an alternative. It really makes docs appear incredibly naïve and backward.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1338422225 Tom Garvey

            I think EHRs are generally better for specialists. They are lousy for primary care. Although EHRs have great potential, the current system induces us to buy in to the EHR equivalent of a Commodore 64. (Google that if you don’t remember what that was.)

          • http://doctor-rob.org/ Dr. Rob

            I am absolutely astounded that someone would make the real suggestion that since EHR has gone bad (which I agree with), that paper is the logical alternative. Yes, I see the problems with EHR (and I’ve turned from “evangelist” to critic), but being a critic is not the same as suggesting to use a 19th century technology. You suggest we not use an “equivalent of a commodore 64″ (a reference I understand, since I started programming before its invention, being 50 this past year), it’s a cute try at sounding smart, but I don’t see what you are comparing to a commodore 64. EHR products have been corrupted terribly, but I can offer far better care using IT than I can with paper. It’s just irrational to think otherwise.

            I am embarrassed to hear this from my profession. It’s quite disturbing to hear colleagues look wistfully back at paper charts in reaction to the bad side of the current crops of EHR. It is a position that totally undermines the credibility of physicians’ legitimate concerns with the co-opting of EHR by the bean-counters and government regulators. Just because doctors overuse antibiotics does not justify abandoning them altogether. Really. One of the reasons my criticism of EHR is taken seriously (I have spoken with some very high-ranking folks at ONC and with others high in the industry) is because I don’t take such a regressive stance.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1338422225 Tom Garvey

            I did not refer to paper, although, come to think of it, some EHRs are substantially worse than paper. In such cases, to prefer paper is not analogous to refusing to use antibiotics. It’s analogous to refusing to use homeopathy.

          • http://twitter.com/scotsilv scotsilv

            > but being a critic is not the same as suggesting to use a 19th century technology

            While bad health IT must be remediated, actually, you are using a fallacious argument – appeal to oldness, or appeal to derision.

            If you’re a physician, try a scientific approach. Tell us, via robust evidence, that a good paper system cannot and does not produce better patient outcomes than bad health IT.

            PubMed, after all, is just chock-full of articles on “risks of paper medical records.” Let us know what you find.

          • southerndoc1

            “to have better income than 90% of other physicians in my specialty while improving quality numbers (colon cancer screening, pneumovax) by 100%”
            We have comparable results in our practice , including top 5 in the state (not percent, absolute ranking) on quality measures for the largest insurer, using paper. So I’m not sure what you’ve proved.

      • southerndoc1

        I wouldn’t trust a bank that required the CEO to do the data entry.

  • buzzkillerjsmith

    In the UK they have a screwed up EHR system even without the US payment system. The chaotic US health care system is sufficient to guarantee EHR failure, but it is not necessary.

    If physicians and nurses have to enter data, the system is fatally flawed. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

  • PoliticallyIncorrectMD

    Technology is NOT the problem here… The issue is the perverted and archaic reimbursement system when physicians are payed based on how overinflated their documentation is.

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