Tough talk is sometimes needed for your referral source

All of us would like, whenever possible, to have a bilateral referral arrangement with our colleagues. Have you ever experienced a situation in which you are sending patients to another physician and receiving no reverse referrals? Of course, you can change your referral source, hoping that the other physician will notice that there is a decrease in referrals and will call you to ask what happened, but do not hold your breast. Chances are that physician is busy enough and will not notice a decrease.

A better alternative is to have a discussion about the facts of life with a physician. During your meeting, recall for the physician the number and the names of patients you have sent him or her in the last 6-12 months. Ask whether the quality of patients was satisfactory and whether the physician would like to continue receiving your referrals.

If the physician answers yes to both questions, ask how he or she feels about your quality of medical care: “Do I enjoy a good reputation in our community? Have the patience I have sent you, as well as any others that we may both be treating, been satisfied with my medical services?”

If the answers are again yes, then it is time to initiate a facts of life discussion. At this time you should suggest that you want to see some patients in return if you are to continue referring patients to that physician. If he or she does not agree, it is time to find another referral source.

I had a facts of life discussion with a physician when I had been in practice for only 3 years. I had been receiving calls from an internist from the intensive care unit on a regular basis late at night to insert ureteral catheters for patients in urinary retention. I did this for several years, hoping to demonstrate that I was available to provide care for all of his patients.  However, when this internist had patients with non-emergency urologic problems, he referred them to another urologist. After many months of being inconvenienced in this way, I decided to ask for a meeting with the physician. I said, “I am capable of seeing patients not only in the middle of the night but also between 8:00am and 5:00pm as well!” I did not request all of his urologic referrals, but I did ask for a few. If that was not acceptable, then he could get someone else to come in the evening hours to insert catheters. “What was the worst that could happen?” I asked myself. That I could get a good night sleep!

As it happen, this discussion brought about a change in that physicians referral pattern. I was satisfied to notice that I began receiving a few daytime referrals as well.

Bottom Line:  I am not recommending this approach for everyone and in every circumstance, but whenever you feel exploited or that referrals are a one-way street, consider having a tactical discussion before abandoning the potential referral source.

Neil Baum is a urologist at Touro Infirmary and author of Marketing Your Clinical Practices: Ethically, Effectively, Economically. He can be reached at his self-titled site, Neil Baum, MDor on Facebook and Twitter.

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  • PMD1234

    I believe it is illegal to ask for a quid pro quo-.If you are going to have a conversation like this, would be very, very careful.
    I think if someone talked to me in the manner you describe, it would end the relationship-it is about patient care, the rest trickles down.It is a good idea to ask what is going on. I have a specialist who was well loved, then started showing up later and later. His wife, who is his manage, won’t call patients when he is running behind.( We’re talking 3 hours here-and for procedures, too- the surgicenter staff won’t cover for him anymore). My patients just won’t go back, even ones who have seen him for years.You might get interesting feedback about your bedside manner, your front office……

  • http://www.caduceusblog.com/ Deep Ramachandran

    I remember in fellowship being taught the 3 ‘A’  ‘s of consulting:
    1. Availability
    2. Affability
    3. Ability.
    The implication being that the vast majority of specialists are skilled enough to handle the vast majority of situations in their respective fields. I think understanding referral patterns means understanding the market that you are in, but also having a deep understanding of yourself and how others see you. It would be useful to get honest feedback from a friend/confidante who isn’t afraid to tell you the truth when considering why your referrals are not up to par.
    I recently was on the receiving end of one of one of these “tough” talks. The physicians in question were the only game in town for a generation until they got competition, and many of their long time referrals quickly dried up.
    When one of the physicians approached me they were quite (understandably) upset and (not understandably) confrontational. As I was new and had only known them for a few months, I did not feel comfortable enough with them to have a heart to heart.  I simply told them what they wanted to hear to get rid of them and get on with my day. Fortunately they have since pulled their act together, possibly because someone gave them some constructive feedback. But for me, that one episode was enough to color my future interactions with them.

  • Emily Lyons

    I think this is illegal. Patients want to know that they are being referred to someone good, or someone in their network, or close- or some other rational reason- they don’t want to know that they are being referred because of a quid pro quo relationship. It is certainly ok to let other doctors know what services you provide and your availability and special skills. Perhaps it is a fine line between marketing and quid pro quo relationships- but there is a line.

    • karen3

      1) It is illegal. I would suggest that you check your medicare regs and specifically the Stark law.
      2) It is unethical
      3) If I had any inkling that my doctor was referring me to someone because that person gave them referrals, instead of being the best doctor for my condition, that doctor would be so gone and with such a bad comment on every website I could find. In fact, one thing that tells me that I have a good doc is that when I go see another doc and the referral is listed as a doc, the other docs tell me what a good doc the referral doc is.  Obviously referral doc can’t be referring to everyone.  If your referrals are all duds and have bad reviews, or have a subspeciality that doesn’t make sense, it reflects badly on you.  Patients aren’t as dumb as you think.

  • RobEnnisJr

    Always found that a simple, “Hey Pat, tell me what I need to do to help you with more of your patients”, did the trick. Rinse..Repeat – You’ll eventually get more referrals or you’ll receive sufficient feedback to re-tune your “offerings”.  This approach also frames the peer relationship in a more patient-centric way.

  • SidewaysShrink

    Group medical practices and HMOs are built in quid pro quo situations. Insurance companies with poor reimbursement so limit access through small networks that they force patients to see providers who might not be the most “able”, “affable” and certainly not “available”. I see no reason not to ask another provider if they are willing to send you referrals. Threatening a fellow provider implicitly or overtly is simply wrong. This is getting hard enough without turning on each other like barking dogs.

  • davemills555

    It’s rarely about referring a patient to a good physician. It’s more about “I’ll scratch your back if you scratch mine”. It’s just a shame that patients who get referred to “quacks” and are victims of the “buddy system” can’t go after the referral source too. I’ll bet a good lawyer could find a way to make that happen. 

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