Why doctors can sometimes be their own worst enemies

“I don’t have the time … I don’t get reimbursed for that.”  This is an all too common refrain from primary care physicians and practice managers when ever the subject of improving physician-patient communications comes up.

I get it.   Primary care physicians in particular are under tremendous pressure to produce.   Just imagine, physicians in small primary care practices spend about 3.5 hours per week just on dealing with insurance-related paperwork.  Then there’s keeping up with recommended treatment guidelines, journals, and IT issues and routine staffing issues — not to mention routine patient care, much of which they in fact don not get paid for.  Physicians do have it rough right now.

But doctors can sometimes be their own worst enemies.

Currently, in just about every State, there are health-plan sponsored pay-for-performance (P4P) and medical home initiatives that reimburse primary care physicians 20% to 30% more for engaging in activities (often of the physicians choosing) aimed at improving quality and patient outcomes.   Some of these initiatives provide additional reimbursement for meeting certain prevention and treatment targets, like making sure that X% of type 2 diabetics have their A1C checked X times a year and the so on.  The evidence shows that small steps like these can collectively have big payoffs in terms of improved quality and outcomes.

Take patient education and chronic care.  Up to 90% of care management for diabetes is provided by the patient and their family.  The quality of self-care among diabetics is a key determinant of patient outcomes.  Patients that engage in high quality self-care have fewer ER visits, fewer re-hospitalizations, have lower risk of complications and a better quality of life.  There is probably evidence out there somewhere which shows that better self-care results in fewer office visits as well.  Yet studies show that primary care physicians spend less than 60 seconds per visit engaging in any form of patient education, including self-care management often because they “don’t have the time.”

Think about it for a second.  Physicians can (and in many cases are) actually make more money and freeing up more time in their practice (be more productive) by doing the very things they “don’t have the time” and “are not paid to do.”

The “lack of time and poor reimbursement” mantra hopefully will soon run its course if for no other reason than increasingly it is no longer as accurate as it once was.   But there is another important reason it should go away.  When patients read in blogs like KevinMD.com, that doctors appear to be withholding care for lack of time or money,  they begin to lose trust in the doctors.  They legitimately wonder what needed health services their doctor is withholding from them.  What is my doctor not doing for me that he/she is not telling me?  If you doubt me, just check out the non-physician,  e.g. patient, comments.

And when patients no longer trust their doctors where will that leave us?

Steve Wilkins is a former hospital executive and consumer health behavior researcher who blogs at Mind The Gap.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/ATHiker95 Mark Holmes

    As a rheumatology patient, I have no use for rheumatologists. No discussion of diet,exercise. Cursory examination of joints and goodbye along with a refill.  13 years of this and 4 different rheumatologists – all the same.  Thanks, but I think I’ll figure it out on my own.

    • http://twitter.com/USMCShrink Kevin Nasky

      What exactly is it you need your specialist rheumatologist to explain about diet and exercise? Perhaps your primary care doc would be better suited for such a discussion. Or perhaps a trip to your local library or bookstore, not to mention the countless websites dedicated to such. Or how about a nutritionist and/or personal trainer.

      I think often too much is expected of physicians. We can’t be your specialist, primary care (dealing w/ unlimited complaints), counselor, nutritionist, lifestyle coach, etc. Your rhematologist is there to diagnose any rheum-related illness, and make treatment recommendations. PERIOD. That’s it. He/she doesn’t have the time to do any more. Not to mention, stepping outside his/her lane (rheumatology) is not an appropriate utilization of (scarce) resources. Specialists need to focus solely on their specialty.

      • Anonymous

        “I think often too much is expected of physicians. We can’t be your specialist, primary care (dealing w/ unlimited complaints), counselor, nutritionist, lifestyle coach, etc.”

        Translation…doctors don’t have time for you.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/CloseCall_MD Close Call

          Just because doctors don’t have time for you doesn’t mean they don’t care. 
          But you know what?  Pay for time, and you will get more time.  I promise. 

          The caring is free =)

          • Anonymous

            “Pay for time, and you will get more time.”

            Translation…Doctors don’t make enough to have time for you.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/CloseCall_MD Close Call

            Yes!  It was the point of the post, but poorly made.

            P4P is not payment for time – it’s for meeting predefined outcomes or “quality measures” regardless of time spent.  It’s only assumed that more time would equal better outcomes.  My mother had spent 30 years telling my father to eat better and lose weight.  The time was invested.  The gains… let’s just say… minimal.

          • Anonymous

            I am not sure why your mother nagging at your father is relevant.

            It seems important to me that doctors have enough time to come up with an accurate diagnosis.  Fortunately, there is the internet…

          • http://twitter.com/#!/CloseCall_MD Close Call

            Exactly!  You’ve got it!  Having enough time to come up with an accurate diagnosis does take time.  Taking a good history is paramount.  It takes years to decades after medical school to hone those history taking skills so that you can efficiently takle the countless number of problems a patient could present with.  A doctor definitely needs time to make that diagnosis.  

            However…

            The main thrust of the article was about patient education and chronic care – not diagnosis.  My belief is that an RN, nutritionist, personal trainer, or even a well trained MA can do much of the bread and butter patient education – diet, exercise, nutrition, reminders about A1C measurement, mammograms, vaccines.  These don’t require an MD or DO.

            And really though, isn’t “patient education” just a very effective form of nagging?

          • Anonymous

            The main thrust of the article was about doctors not having time for patient needs.  The example…the usual example that all articles cite…is one of the diabetic in need of diet and exercise “education” or “nagging.”

            Not everyone that needs medical attention is overweight and sedentary.  I know more about diet and exercise than the average doctor.  I know what preventative measures are recommended.

            Most of the doctors I have seen don’t have the time to provide a timely and accurate diagnosis of an emerging problem or recommendations for effective lifestyle interventions related to the diagnosis.

            Like Mark, I didn’t lose my trust in my doctors by reading KevinMD.  It’s years of being neglected by doctors who don’t have enough time to do a thorough evaluation.  I don’t have a textbook illness with a textbook treatment plan.  Fortunately, there is the internet…

          • http://twitter.com/#!/CloseCall_MD Close Call

            I know, right?!  Revolution!  The internet is here!  I wish more people with straight up textbook illnesses would come up with their own straight up textbook treatment plan gathered from the internet.  Bronchitis?  Sinusitis?  Don’t come asking me for antibiotics on day 2 of your illness when any google search would tell you otherwise.  Please, people!  Just get a subscription to uptodate already!  [I kid, I kid] 

            On another point, if we allow doctors more time with each patient, unique patient interactions decrease.   A panel of 2500 becomes 500 – a typical retainer practice size.  Access issues anyone?  (and RNs or NPs are unlikely to make up the 2000 patient difference) Blasted unintended consequences!  But then, that’s what the internet’s for!

            Reminds me of homeopathic treatments – if we wanted to offer everyone in the world these lifesaving, miraculous remedies – we’d soon run out of water.

          • Anonymous

            I prefer to avoid antibiotics…

            “On another point, if we allow doctors more time with each patient, unique patient interactions decrease.   A panel of 2500 becomes 500 – a typical retainer practice size.  Access issues anyone?  (and RNs or NPs are unlikely to make up the 2000 patient difference) Blasted unintended consequences!  But then, that’s what the internet’s for!”

            Is this the new mantra?  So instead of not getting enough money, doctors are going to use the excuse there are too many patients?  Perhaps I could stop wasting precious medical resources if the government could deregulate the control of prescription drugs.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UQ52N63EO5UL7JQE7RLBOG3YRU kumud

            you can always get prescription meds from mexico – whenever i vacation to cancun i notice in the airport you can get everything from glucophage to prozac to percocet

          • http://twitter.com/USMCShrink Kevin Nasky

            I’m curious. In general, why do you think doctors don’t spend enough time with patients?

          • Anonymous

            Most of the doctors I have seen don’t have the time to provide a timely and accurate diagnosis of an emerging problem or recommendations for effective lifestyle interventions related to the diagnosis.

            I was diagnosed on a message board at WebMD because my doctor didn’t have time to do it.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMOB6H2MZFEDRQFTGKGA7ZDRGI Harry

            Why do most docs not have the time to adequately care for patients?……………..Medicare and other commercial insurance companies that pay docs, do so based on volume or quantity of care provided, and not necessarily on the quality of care.  Healthcare administrators understand this very well, which is why physician contracts exist that are nowadays laden with patient volume incentives.  The more patients seen equals more money made, period.  Therefore, we now have a situation in our country where docs have less and less time to spend with each patient, because their schedules are filled with as many patients as administrators can cram into them each and every day.  Until the payment system changes and begins to pay docs for providing higher quality care, instead of higher quantities of it, i don’t see many patients getting to spend any more time with their docs than they currently are.  And that’s really unfortunate, because i believe that both patients and docs deserve better. 

            And, as far as P4P incentives, knowing that docs are already strapped for time, where does the additional time come from and who pays for the added expense that docs will incur to achieve them?  Will the actual dollar amounts even cover the added expense?  Many docs are already running their practices as lean as possible.  Spending the extra time with patients would mean either seeing fewer patients per day and/or working longer hours than we already do.  Either of these scenarios translates into less income and/or decreased quality of life, especially given the number of hours we spend away from our families as it is. Our ships are sinking, some faster than others, and we’re expected to continue to increase our workloads while taking on water.  And remember, we’re talking about providing healthcare to patients in need.  Medicine is an art and i don’t think it was ever meant to be rushed.  I wish i had more time for each of my patients and often am left feeling disheartened by the fact that i almost can’t afford to give it to them because of the aforementioned reasons.  Unfortunately, as with many other things in life, follow the money and we’ll find the answers we’re looking for.

        • http://twitter.com/USMCShrink Kevin Nasky

          No, sir. I don’t think that’s the correct translation for what I was trying to convey.
          Specialists are a scarce resource. They should focus their time on activities others can’t do (and therefore shouldn’t spend time doing something someone less- or differently-trained could do). This concept–put to practice–would actually promote specialists having MORE time with patients, not less.
          Please don’t misinterpret my post as dismissive of your concerns. I believe everything you mentioned is important — it just doesn’t take a specialist (or a physician, for that matter) to do. This type of training/education would be better relegated to a R.N. or other health care educator.

          • Anonymous

            So you don’t think a rheumatologist is the most appropriate person to help someone with rheumatoid arthritis deal with disease specific exercise and diet issues?  

            So if I am having trouble breathing, I need to take my exercise questions to my personal trainer?

            Personally, I have found that specialist have more time than primary care doctors.  Like Mark, I only see my PCP for medication refills.

          • http://twitter.com/USMCShrink Kevin Nasky

            If your rheumatologists have refused to give you information about recommended diet and exercise for your condition, then that truly is a travesty. At a minimum, I would expect he/she to at least point you in the right direction. Most doctors offices, primary care and specialists alike, have educational materials for patients with different conditions. Many have in-house educators. The endocrinologist I rotated with as a med student had a full time RN whose sole job was patient education. I’m sorry to hear you’ve had such poor luck with your doctors.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AHJLBFNNBNL7SVEXJCRGWDZTBI Braidz

    “As a rheumatology patient, I have no use for rheumatologists. No discussion of diet,exercise. Cursory examination of joints and goodbye along with a refill.  13 years of this and 4 different rheumatologists – all the same.  Thanks, but I think I’ll figure it out on my own.”

    I have had the opposite problem. Some of the doctors I have gone to for scoliosis (operated on in late 1960′s), and later osteoarthritis in a few joints, have frowned on the idea of medication (be it aspirin or prescription drugs), although others have recommended prescribed medications. And having moved to a city far away, I couldn’t keep the doctors I had, much as I would have liked to.

    Regarding my osteoarthritis knee-problems, my recent primary care physician (since retired) advised 20 lbs weight loss and told me not to use aspirin, at least not every day. I lost the weight but my knees still didn’t get better. But then I switched to a different department / different job at the hospital where I work, and in about 3 months my knees were better. Following the doctor’s advice on lifestyle modifications does not always bring about a solution! (To this doctor’s credit, I will say that he was willing to prescribe medium strong painkillers for occasional use — very good to have.)

    The daily use of aspirin was a lifesaver for me. I have had joints which I never thought would get better, but they have. But I took aspirin the minute I felt the pain, knowing that it is anti-inflammatory and wanting to save my joints. (Caution for anyoine who may be considering the same strategy: Read the directions which come with the aspirin, to get the opposite side of the story! Aspirin is said to have killed a lot of people, although it has helped me immensely.)

    I finally had to stop taking aspirin because I had to start using warfarin/Coumadin. Will soon be switching to dabigatran/Pradaxa instead. No amount of lifestyle advice can replace aspirin for me.

    Regarding lifestyle advice at the doctor’s office, I am sure that this SOMETIMES has the potential for having an effect. It all depens on the ailment, how far advanced it is, and how inclined the patient is to make a change.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AHJLBFNNBNL7SVEXJCRGWDZTBI Braidz

      The above comment was intended as a reply to the comment below (the one from Mark Holmes). By mistake, I filled in the field above instead of clicking on “Reply”, so the comment ended up here at the top. It should have been down below instead, together with a number of other people’s comments with which I agree wholeheartedly.

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