Does psychiatry treat symptoms or diseases?

Do we treat diseases or symptoms in psychiatry?  While this question might sound philosophical in nature, it’s actually a very practical one in terms of treatment strategies we espouse, medications and other interventions we employ, and, of course, how we pay for mental health care.

It’s also a question that lies at the heart of what psychiatry is all about.

Anyone who has been to medical school or who has watched an episode of House knows that a disease has (a) an underlying pathology, often hidden to the naked eye but which is shared by all patients with that diagnosis, and (b) signs and symptoms, which are readily apparent upon exam but which may differ in subtle ways from patient to patient.  An expert physician performing a comprehensive examination can often make a diagnosis simply on the basis of signs and symptoms.  In some cases, more sophisticated tools (lab tests, scans, etc) are required to confirm the diagnosis.  In the end, once a diagnosis is obtained, treatment can commence.

(To be sure, sometimes a diagnosis is not apparent, and a provisional or “rule-out” diagnosis is given.  The doctor may initiate treatment on an empiric basis but will refine the diagnosis on the basis of future observations, responses to treatment, and/or disease course.)

In psychiatry, which is recognized as a branch of medicine and (should) subscribe to the same principles of diagnosis and treatment, the expectations are the same.  There are a number of diseases (or disorders) listed in the DSM-IV, each theoretically with its own underlying pathology and natural history, and each recognizable by a set of signs and symptoms.  A careful psychiatric evaluation and mental status exam will reveal the true diagnosis and suggest a treatment plan to the clinician.

It sounds simple, but it doesn’t always work out this way.  Psychiatrists may disagree about a given diagnosis, or make diagnoses based on “soft” signs.  Moreover, there are very few biological or biochemical tests to “rule in” a psychiatric diagnosis.  As a result, treatment plans for psychiatric patients often include multiple approaches that don’t make sense;  for example, using an antidepressant to treat bipolar disorder, or using antipsychotics to treat anxiety or insomnia symptoms in major depression.

The psychiatrist Nassir Ghaemi at Tufts has written about this before (click here for a very accessible version of his argument and here [registration required] for a more recent dialogue in which he argues his point further).  Ghaemi argues in favor of what he calls “Hippocratic psychopharmacology.” Specifically, we should understand and respect the normal course of a disease before initiating treatment.  He also emphasizes that we not treat symptoms, but rather the disease (this is also known as Osler’s Rule, in honor of Sir William Osler, the “founder of modern medicine”).  For example, Ghaemi makes a fairly compelling argument that bipolar disorder should be treated with a mood stabilizer alone, and not with an antidepressant, or an antipsychotic, or a sedative, because those drugs treat symptoms which should resolve as a person goes through the natural course of the disease.  In other words, we miss the diagnostic forest by focusing on the symptomatic trees.

The problem is, this is a compelling argument only if there is such a diagnosis as “bipolar disorder.”  Or, to be more specific, a clear, unitary entity with a distinct pathophysiological basis that gives rise to the symptoms that we see as mania and depression, and which all “bipolar” patients share.  And I don’t believe this assumption has been borne out.

My personal bias is that bipolar disorder does exist.  So do major depression, schizophrenia, panic disorder, anorexia nervosa, ADHD, and (almost) all the other diagnoses listed in the DSM-IV.  And a deeper understanding of the pathophysiology of each might help us to develop targeted treatments that will be far more effective than what have now.  But we’re not there yet.  In the case of bipolar disorder, lithium is a very effective drug, but it doesn’t work in everyone with “bipolar.”  Why not?  Perhaps “bipolar disorder” is actually several different disorders.  Not just formes frustes of the same condition but separate entities altogether, with entirely different pathophysiologies which might appear roughly the same on the outside (sort of like obesity or alcoholism).  Of course, there are also many diagnosed with “bipolar” who might really have no pathology at all– so it is no surprise that they don’t respond to a mood stabilizer (I won’t elaborate on this possibility here, maybe some other time).

The committee in charge of writing the DSM-5 is almost certainly facing this conundrum.  One of the “holy grails” of 21st century psychiatry (which I wrote about here) is to identify biochemical or genetic markers that predict or diagnose psychiatric disease, and it was hoped that the next version of the DSM would include these markers amongst its diagnostic criteria.   Unfortunately, this isn’t happening, at least not with DSM-5.  In fact, what we’re likely to get is a reshuffling and expansion of diagnostic criteria.  Which just makes matters worse:  how can we follow Osler’s advice to treat the disease and not the symptom when the definition of disease will change with the publication of a new handbook?

As a practicing psychiatrist, I’d love to be able to make a sound and accurate diagnosis and to use this diagnosis to inform my treatment, practicing in the true Hippocratic tradition and following Osler’s Rule, which has benefited my colleagues in other fields of medicine.  I also recognize that this approach would respect Dr Ghaemi’s attempt at bringing some order and sensibility to psychiatric practice.  Unfortunately, this is hard to do because (a) we still don’t know the underlying cause(s) of psychiatric disorders, and (b) restricting myself to pathophysiology and diagnosis means ignoring the psychosocial and environmental factors that are (in many ways) even more important to patients than what “disease” they have.

It has frequently been said that medicine is an art, not a science, and psychiatry is probably the best example of this truism.  Let’s not stop searching for the biological basis of mental illness, but also be aware that it may not be easy to find.  Until then, whether we treat “diagnoses” or “symptoms” is a matter of style.  Yes, the insurance company wants a diagnosis in order to provide reimbursement, but the patient wants management of his or her symptoms in order to live a more satisfying life.

Steve Balt is a psychiatrist who blogs at Thought Broadcast.

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  • http://www.eleventhhourllc.com Laura

    As a Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner for the past 12 years, I agree with all said in this post. I do want to add that, why one medication works for one person and not another is the same dilemma across the board of medicine as well. Why lithium works on one and not another is the same issue as why one antihypertensive works on one person with HTN and doesn’t work for someone else with the same diagnosis…HTN. Same with diabetic meds. And psychosocial issues affect medical diagnoses too… Eating sugar or salt….is that why the meds aren’t working? So I argue that psychiatry is the same as any other medical diagnosis. And, medical diagnoses change their criteria all the time too! Aren’t there new guidelines for acceptable baseline blood sugars and new guidelines for acceptable blood pressures? Let’s stop pointing out the differences and start looking at the similarities. Psychiatry does practice the same as all other medical specialties.

  • Diane D’Angelo

    The problem is that physical illness are based on objective evidence, and treating them will improve the patient’s quality of life. Psychiatric illnesses, on the other hand, are subjective and medical treatment of them all too frequently harms the individual.

    • horseshrink

      Much of physical medicine is grounded in observable signs, but not entirely (e.g., pain, fatigue, reports of insomnia …)

      Much psychiatric diagnosis is grounded in symptom report … but, not entirely. Especially not with severe mental illnesses.

      I work with the sickest of the sick in a forensic institution. Behavioral anomalies, disorganized/severely delusional thinking, emotional dyscontrol, and profound cognitive deficits abound for the observation. It’s very clear to any lay person who happens upon such a unit that these people are gravely afflicted.

      Medications? Definitely double-edged swords.

      However, I have seen some patients released to the community after years of hospitalization, purely from change of medication.

      I shake my head to still hear people assert there is no such thing as mental illness. They are in the elite company of those who wisely inform us the earth is flat..

      Worse … some of those people want to direct public policy about mental illness, which would be on par with asserting there’s no such thing as heart disease and trying to outlaw coronary bypass surgery.

      • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

        Horseshrink,

        The point we so-called “deniers” are making is a nuanced one. No one would suggest the people you describe are not gravely afflicted. But with what are they afflicted?

        When I say that mental illness does not, and CAN NOT exist, I am saying that the mind is not an organ of the body, and therefore it cannot be diseased. A mind is sick the way a joke is sick, or the world is sick, that is, metaphorically. To literalize a metaphor is to commit a category error.

        The moment pathophysiology is described and validated, mental illnesses cease to be mental illnesses and become brain diseases (see “General Paresis”).

        • horseshrink

          Re: The “mind” is not an organ of the body.

          I agree. Neither is pain, abstraction, planning, judgment, sadness, excitement, or memory an organ of the body. They are functional products of the underlying tissue. When that tissue (brain parenchyma) is disrupted, so too is the “mind.”

          A routine part of my work involves watching the “mind” disappear in people with advancing dementia. Eventually, what happened a minute ago leaves no residue. What happened 50 years ago slowly fades away, and lost is the ability to self-dress, self-feed, or to solve even the simplest of problems.

          Yes, the “mind” or “mentation” is disordered in these people. We know the brain is not working correctly because of this.

          However, the farther one gets from this level of affliction, more reasonable it becomes to argue whether some form of misery or another actually constitutes a “mental disorder.”

      • aek

        Horseshrink –

        What you do is incredibly critical, but where you do it is problematic, no? If given your druthers, how do you envision the optimal practice – or just plain old satisfactory practice – of psychiatry?

        How do you determine the risk/benefit ratio in using meds (say in the example of the long term patient being able to be d/c’ed from institutionalization) in your setting?

        You’ve made many important points in this comment thread – thanks!

        I’m intrigued by your ‘nym. Having cared for a 16.3 hh TB with full blown panic attacks who was medicated unsuccessfully before his stay w/ me, I learned a whole lotta equine behavior mgmt and emotional regulation along our way together. (grin)

        • horseshrink

          Short question with a long answer.

          See these links:
          * http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/11/depression-behavioral-problem-mental-illness.html#comment-150584
          * http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/03/doctors-workers-factory-assembly-lines.html#comment-160758

          Wife is a horse trainer. Also, I’ve learned much of humans by watching other creatures, perceptions sparked by a professor of mine who explored cross-species correlates of human behavior.

          • aek

            Thanks for your thoughtful response – it sounds as if you’ve had your share of challenges.

            Two things:

            Have you considered a blog of your own? I appreciate your perspective and would enjoy reading your work.

            Any interest in equine assisted therapy as an extracurricular? I volunteered with an accredited program, and there were some pretty gratifying and profound gains, not to mention developing family support and plain old group fun. The horses are amazing at what they pick up from the riders and how they accommodate disabilities. It was a very rare rider who dropped out – even those with the most severe problems were motivated to persevere – I think it’s the medication called eau de equine!

      • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

        “However, I have seen some patients released to the community after years of hospitalization, purely from change of medication.”

        Have you ever seen a person released to the community because he or she no longer wanted to be hospitalized?

        • horseshrink

          At lower levels of care (e.g., crisis stabilization units), that’s more likely to occur, depending on the person’s condition.

          For people ill enough to filter to our level of care, that would be very unusual.

          • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

            …which begs the question, why are some patients denied the right to leave the hospital if they so choose?

        • horseshrink

          Re: why are some patients denied the right to leave the hospital if they so choose?

          It has been my very consistent experience that those who work daily with the severely mentally ill don’t need to ask that question.

          Similarly, I’ve yet to find a “flat earth” airline pilot.

          • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

            Pretend I’m a flat-earth pilot and explain to me the what right a psychiatrist has to deprive a patient of his freedom.

        • horseshrink

          Flat-earth navigation won’t work in context of reality.

          Human reality includes variable capacities to conduct own affairs, and variable risks of harm to self/others. This reality drives related policy and statutes around the world, including, at times, as it may pertain to someone with severe mental illness making certain decisions for himself when capacity is low and risk is high.

          However, debate with words in a blog is unlikely to influence when opinion exceeds experience.

          • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

            (insert plea for plain English here)

            In other words, yes, a psychiatrist has the right to deprive a patient of his freedom, and shut up, I know what I’m doing and you don’t.

          • horseshrink

            Not “right.”

            Public-mandated responsibility.

  • Diane D’Angelo

    Psychiatry assumes a norm for human behavior. That is very dangerous terrain indeed. It is not the same as other medical specialties. No other medical specialty relies as much on theory vs. tangible evidence, or is as replete with cultural and spiritual biases.

  • aek

    This is mixed up logic. You are conflating symptom manifestation with pathophysiology.

    The behaviors which comprise a major depressive disorder determination are manifestions of sickness behavior. What the science demonstrates to date is that there are signs of neuroinflammation and dysregulated immune, neurogenesis, neurotransmission and hormonal functions.

    The science also demonstrates that both physical and psychosocial stressors are correlated with these dysregulations.

    But there is no known “brain depression disease” – or “bipolar disease” – “obsessive compulsive disease”, etc.

    Psychiatry medicates to mask symptoms, not to treat disease and certainly not to cure disease.

    Furthermore, psychiatrists in their zeal to medicate any moving target, have largely been negligent in assessing for and controlling for medication induced physiologic derangements which are often more harmful and damaging than the targeted symptoms.

    For example, it is the exception and not the rule to assess baseline B12, homocysteine, MMA, lipid profiles, HbA1c, CRP and liver profiles before initiating psychotropics, all of which are known to cause derangements which increase cardiac mortality, induce type 2 DM, induce metabolic syndrome and cause weight gain, among other lovely adverse effects.

    Inducing disease states and neglecting to address them is the worst kind of malpractice. But it’s standard practice.

    Granted that the literature is slim, but there is at least some science which shows symptom amelioration with the use of gluten free, whole foods anti-inflammatory diets which include some degree of ketosis, environments which address safe and non-threatening living (Soteria), increased purposeful activity and exercise and therapeutic interventions which engage patients in non-coercive and fully participatory care management strategies. Those outcomes are on a par with or have greater effects than pharmacotherapy.

    While neurology is a bonafide specialty which addresses the underlying pathophysiology of the brain and nervous system, psychiatry is what astrology is to astronomy – junk science masquerading as legitimate.

    • http://www.pacificpsych.com/ pacificpsych

      Where’s the like button? We’ll just have to imagine it’s there and note that I’m clicking it!

  • http://www.eleventhhourllc.com Laura

    So a schizophrenic tortured by voices is making it all up? And a soldier who kills himself because he/she can no longer deal with their PTSD is a big faker who can’t deal with real life? aek you are a heartless clinician. Like in medicine, there is a continuum….a line that represents a “norm” in the middle and extremes to either side. Just like medicine. Some people live with sugars in the high 100s and 200s, but that’s not the medicinal “norm.” Some people live with a blood pressure around 140s/90s, but that’s not the medicinal “norm.” Just like there are outliers on the continuum of the mood and behavior line. How do you help the person with serious behavioral and mood problems secondary to a TBI? Or the demented patient who is aggressive? How do you keep your clients from killing themselves? How about insomnia? I bet you call a psych consult! aek…have you ever called on psychiatry for help with your patients???

    • aek

      @ Laura:

      Conflating symptoms with disease and then medicating to mask symptoms and justifying that practice as legitimate when it is no such thing is my premise. I am not questioning the presence of symptoms or of the patient reporting of them, but the symptoms that you mention, for example, have a wide variety of known causes and correlations. In other words, they are not diseases in and of themselves.

      And not for nuthin’ – there isn’t a single symptom that you mention that does not have multiple effective non-pharmacologic interventions, but they are often not even considered because they require time-intensive and/or human intensive resources. None of the behavioral symptoms you list require a psychiatric “specialty” intervention – hallucinations are treated in many cultures with tolerance and close family and community support. If you read the literature, the outcomes of patients who are deemed to have schizophrenia are consistently better – higher recovery rates and milder symptoms – in developing, non-Westernized countries where psychiatry as practiced in the US doesn’t exist.

      Heartless and cruel is throwing disease-causing medications at people with symptoms that are amenable to efficacious, non-harm inducing non-pharmacologic first line approaches which include therapeutic diets, sleep hygiene interventions, therapeutic environments which reduce sundowning, distress and aggression and interpersonal interest on the part of clinicians that preemptively identify people with intense demoralization and suicidality and helps to identify and provide interventions that promote self esteem and the ability to regain and maintain a will to live. But my interest is piqued – what medication specifically do you aver “cures” suicidality?

      As regards to my practice – I did not identify myself as a healthcare provider, patient, or otherwise. Your comment attributes all sorts of ill will and intention to me that is neither legitimate nor warranted. However, that sort of de facto judgment is rampant in current psychiatric practice.

      Mental health practitioners refer to it as the art of medicine. I refer to it as arbitrary capriciousness.

      Whatever it is, it needs to stop.

      • Kevin

        What is the effective non-pharmacological treatment for schizophrenia? Please cite evidence.

        • http://www.madinamerica.com/madinamerica.com/Solutions.html aek

          Sorry: I answered this earlier, but I think the link in the body of the response sent it to spam. Please click on the link at my name which will take you to Robert Whitaker’s annotated bib list of non-pharm approaches with measured efficacy for schizophrenia and depression.

          If you use the search terms in your question, you should get decent PubMed search results, as well.

          • Kevin

            Two decades-old studies from Lapland are underwhelming compared to the massive body of evidence of neuroleptics, though I have to admit their findings are interesting. I’m sure the psychoanalytically-oriented were delving into the social and interpersonal aspects of institutionalized patients’ psychosis (to little to no avail) in the 1950s, before chlorpromazine’s serendipitous discovery virtually emptied psychiatric hospitals.

      • Lisa

        Does it make a difference whether a patient receives non-pharmalogical treatmnent for their first episode vs being treated with medication then receiving non-pharmalogical treatment? The reason I ask is because I was medication-free for a couple years, and I didn’t find that to be an effective form of treatment.

  • ErnieG

    In other medical specialties, we often treat symptoms AND disease. NSAIDs do not treat OA, but diminish the pain. Also in medicine, pathophysiology may not necessarily tell us how to treat either the patient or the disease. We’ve known for many years the exact genetic abnormality in sickle cell anemia, but haven’t been able to treat it any more effectively. And often effective treatments for disease don’t quite follow our understanding of pathophysiology (or at least not yet). Eclampsia is not a magnesium deficiency, HTN is not overactive calcium channels, and RA is not simply too much TNF. In those respects, psyschiatry is not much different than other medical specalties; what is very different is that you can’t stick a meter is someone’s brain to measure their depression. Unlike another commenter suggest, that does not mean its junk science.

    • aek

      Legitimate medicine treats symptoms OF disease as a part of a management or curative strategy. That is different than treating symptoms AS disease.

      For example, given that the science is on pretty solid footing relative to an inflammatory component (increased IL6 and TNFa, increased homocysteine and CRP) in behavioral symptoms of major depressive disorder, why are inflammatory biomarkers not being routinely assessed as part of the diagnosis and interventions not being targeted to reduce neuroinflammation as part of the treatment plan?

      For all of the squawking that psychiatry is doing about biological psychiatry, as soon as physical assessment is involved, psychiatrists scream “BOUNDARIES”, refuse to touch the patient (literally and figuratively) and fail to perform any appropriate baseline physiological examination, let alone ongoing assessments.

      You can’t have it both ways.

      Medication should not be a first line intervention or sole intervention in symptoms where non-pharmacologic and non-intrusive interventions are available and have demonstrated the same level or better efficacy.

      Doesn’t any of this compute with the reason that patient compliance is so universally abysmal with psychotropics? The “cure” is worse than the “disease” in psychiatric parlance. When patients are given medications which not only fail to adequately mask the symptoms they are prescribed for but also add new distressing and often permanent effects, they are simply acting in the interests of their own self-preservation.

      • ErnieG

        While there may be “pretty solid footing relative to an inflammatory component (increased IL6 and TNFa, increased homocysteine and CRP) in behavioral symptoms of major depressive disorder,” is there evidence that treatment of these markers improves with the routine assessment of inflammatory biomarkers “to reduce neuroinflammation as part of the treatment plan”? From med school, I recall that disruption of the neurohormonal pituitary axis was described in depressed patient, but that treating the abnormality with hormones did not help.

        As a rheumatologist, I can tell you that “inflammation” is a tricky thing- while there is an inflammatory component to atherosclerotic coronary artery disease and to osteoarthritis, it is very different than inflammation from RA and from sepsis- treating CAD or OA with TNF blockers will not work and treating sepis with TNF will kill the patient, The inflammatory markers in psychiatric disease may end up being signs of disease. While many can accept that the manifestations psychiatric disease (the mood and hallucinations) may be symptoms of disease, in the mind of many physicians, the symptoms can be severe enough to treat. They can lead to morbidity and mortalitiy,

        • aek

          Excellent points and questions. In my view, there SHOULD be research and evaluation of just those parameters. But as far as I can tell, there’s nothing in the ClinTrials.gov listing, and I don’t see anything much when trolling through PubMed and perusing current journal studies.

          However, there is indirect evidence of them being related via anti-inflammatory diets and adequate frequency and efforts of exercise being linked to more favorable lipid, metabolic and inflammatory markers along with self described parameters of quality of life and well-being.

          There are also crowd sourcing websites that are capturing self reported data that supports using these strategies (CureTogether, Patients Like Me, etc).

          But until some more rigorous studies are performed (and who will finance non-pharm approaches – the almighty $$profit motive isn’t there), data collection and evaluation will remain subject to the whims of the treater.

          And I have to chuckle – SSRI’s are thought to be beneficial, if they have any effect at all, due to their anti-inflammatory effect. Did you know that ASA is also being touted as possibly being as effective as SSRI’s for the same reason?

  • Diane D’Angelo

    Laura– I would never say that the folks you mention are not in pain. They are. Of course they are. And I agree with AEK that the notion that these are disease states best/only treated by medications is wrong. And too often, dead wrong.

  • http://davidbeharmdejd.blogspot.com David Behar, MD, EJD

    Psychiatry is a chronic disease subspecialty. It compares favorably with any you care to name. We do not treat diseases, except as broad final common pathway syndromes, as is true of most chronic disease specialties. The treatment of target symptoms should be readily admitted, and embraced. It remains the single best investment in all of mankind’s activities, with a guaranteed 10,000% return on investment, year after year. If one takes collateral value from psychiatry, the ROI may well be 100,000% or one million% a year.

    Example of collateral value? You have your house for sale. The neighbor is yelling back at imaginary tormentors one lawn over. What discount on the $500,000 asking price would be required to get a buyer to take your house? The answer is no discount will get anyone to take it. It is possible, that paying people to take your nice house will still not be enough. The value of the houses within several blocks may have dropped to zero from having a neighbor with untreated psychosis.

    • aek

      You cite NIMBYism as the main benefit of treatment? In the US, that largely results in homelessness and imprisonment. You do not even reference benefit to the recipient of psychiatric treatment.

      Your argument of psychiatry as beneficial fails on many fronts.

    • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

      You also neglected to reference the wishes of the “patient”.

  • horseshrink

    “Diseases are conventions and may not “fit” anything in nature at all. Through the centuries, diseases have come and gone, some more useful than others, and there is no guarantee that our present “diseases” – medical or psychiatric – will represent the same clusters of symptoms and signs a hundred years from now that they do today. On the contrary, as more is learned, more useful clusters surely will emerge.” …

    “… for most psychiatric conditions there are no explanations. “Etiology unknown” is the hallmark of psychiatry as well as its bane. Historically, once etiology is known, a disease stops being “psychiatric.” Vitamins were discovered, whereupon vitamin-deficiency psychiatric disorders no longer were treated by psychiatrists. The spirochete was found, then penicillin, and neurosyphilis, once a major psychiatric disorder, became one more infection treated by nonpsychiatrists.” …

    “We have added no new categories to the fifth edition of Psychiatric Diagnosis. In our view there are only about a dozen diagnostic entities in adult psychiatry that have been sufficiently studied to be useful. (For more on this heretical view, see the Preface to the First Edition.) DSM-III and its revisions introduced many new diagnostic terms.”

    From:
    Psychiatric Diagnosis, 5th Ed.
    Donald W. Goodwin (died 1999), Samuel B. Guze (died 2000), Oxford University Press, 1996
    ***(Published concurrent with DSM-IV)

  • horseshrink

    From a part of DSM not usually read – DSM’s “statement of purpose”:

    “The primary purpose of the DSM is to facilitate communication among mental health professionals … each proposed new diagnosis carries with it the risk of making a false positive diagnosis (i.e., making a diagnosis when no disorder is present). Since false positives can never be completely eliminated, we must consider instead how to balance the advantages of including the diagnosis in the DSM (e.g., increased detection of a treatable disorder with consequent reduction in morbidity and cost to the patient, his or her family, and to society at large) against the risks of making a false positive diagnosis (e.g., risk of stigmatization, cost and potential morbidity of unnecessary treatment, etc.).” American Psychiatric Association

    Psychiatry is an actively evolving field. We do not yet know how best to label the morbidities that we see. We don’t even yet know where to draw our boundaries. Some want to fix society. Some just want to take care of the gravely afflicted, where less ambiguity of purpose exists.

    I fall in the latter group.

    p.s. – I know of no other specialty that has had such trouble with diagnostic classifications that it needed to open its nomenclature deliberations to the lay public for additional input.

  • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

    “And a deeper understanding of the pathophysiology of each might help us to develop targeted treatments that will be far more effective than what have now”

    DEEPER understanding? I will settle for any understanding at all.

    When mental diseases are shown to have pathological bases, they will cease to be mental diseases because we will call them “brain diseases”. Mental diseases, by definition, cannot exist in the sense that all the other bodily diseases exist. All we have is phenomenology. This provides psychiatrists with almost unlimited licence to commit nosological mischief.

    • aek

      “nosological mischief” – That would be so poetic and charming if it wasn’t so devastating.

      I just visited your website and think I recognize you from a previous non de plume. Remembering my grandmother’s stories of teaching the then-termed “slow students” in the 1920s and 30s: she had a class of 64! She used frequent phys. exercise breaks at student deskside woven throughout the lessons to let students burn off the fidgets and refocus attention. She also liberally used games which required engagement and movement as a teaching and learning strategy. Moreover, she brought food for hungry students so that they could focus and learn instead of remaining distressed and hungry.

      She did not have a problem with students acting out, dropping out or failing to meet learning and behavior expectations. Doesn’t that seem congruent with strategies that address attention deficits and “hyperactivity”? No pharma or psychiatry in sight….

      (If the historical time frame doesn’t ring a bell, it was during and post-Depression. Many families were without essentials, similar to today but on a much larger scale – lack of a reliable source of adequate nutritious food, parents without jobs, loss of safe and secure housing, etc.)

      • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

        @aek. Guilty as charged.

        re: the increasingly narrow category called “normal”, see
        http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011/05/One-in-six-children-have-a-developmental-disability/47467520/1

        • aek

          Your patients and families are very fortunate to have you as their doc! You strike this N=1 as verra wise and compassionate.

          See you around the b’sphere.

          • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

            *blushing* That’s the nicest compliment I’ve gotten in some time! I should cancel my afternoon appointments and go celebrate, but my staff would kill me.

  • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

    “All disorders of the mind, not the result of toxins or physical injury, have a biochemical basis rooted in a combination of genetic factors (inherited biochemical and physiological makeup) interacting with environmental factors (configuration of nutrient intake”)

    Forgive me, David, I laughed out loud when I read this. But I checked the references you cite all the same. The fatty acid hypothesis is not supported by the data.

    • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

      I suspect that if there were any empirical evidence to support the hypothesis that fatty acids had anything to do at all with so-called mental illness, I would have heard about it already, the volume of material I learned in medical school notwithstanding.

      • aek

        Emily Deans is a MGH raised psychiatrist who blogs about biochem, nutrition and mental illness linkages at Evolutionary Psychiatrist. She always provides links to the primary literature.

        And the MGH psychiatrist/pharma pusher team has been looking at SAMe and omega 3 PUFAs in depression. However, they seem to have missed the piece about omega 6:3 ratios being a critical piece of the phospholipid membrane puzzle. IIRC, David Mischoulon is the primary investigator on this sort of stuff.

    • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

      … BTW, I suppose I should have said “lipid hypothesis” (from your web site). If I had known this was not a distinction without a difference I would have been more careful in my choice of molecule.

  • gzuckier

    It might be argued that psychiatry is the only specialty which treats the person, the rest merely treat the body. This is not being pedantic; everybody knows two people who are at opposite ends of the spectrum in how they are affected by identical diseases or injuries (physical, not psych). For that matter, the same patient is affected differently by a physical problem at different times; he may complete a football game with a broken ankle, but afterwards be unable to walk off the field. The word “disease” itself refers to a state of mind, after all. And the comparatively high medical utilization by depressed patients is well known by now, along with the two of them being linked to being a working age female.

    As for physiological treatment of psychological problems, we are such novices in our understanding of brain processes, and have no idea whatsoever how they correlate with our consciousness etc., other than fairly gross axioms like if there is no brain activity, there seems to be no consciousness. We’ve stumbled onto a few chemicals that appear to do stuff that affect our mental and emotional states, sometimes in a useful way, but really we have no idea how they work. My old neuro prof used to say if a tv repairman showed as much understanding of how tvs operate as we have about how the brain operates, you’d kick him out of the house. But we don’t have a better alternative; it’s either fumbling physiological treatments, or fumbling psychological treatments, neither of which is much further developed than a good witch doctor could provide. Don’t forget, not that long ago the promising treatment modality was lobotomy.

    • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

      Don’t forget ECT.

      Your neuro prof was on to something, but he should have observed that it’s nonsensical to invite a TV repairman to your house because you don’t like the content of the programming. Mutatis mutandis, understand the relationship of psychoactive medications to the mind.

  • gzuckier

    Re the lipid questions: and there is the weird observation that when cholesterol levels drop below, say, 100, the death rate rises again, but from things like accidents, murder, and suicide…… the intervening mechanism being, presumably, something involving the undeniable importance of membrane function in neuron function.

    • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

      Low cholesterol renders a person more likely to be murdered?

      • gzuckier

        Aggregated mortality not related to illness, which did include cases of homicide:
        “Mortality not related to illness subsumes deaths attributable to suicide, accidents, and homicide. (These causes of violent or “unnatural” death have been found to aggregate in a variety of populations and in epidemiologic studies of temporal mortality trends. Because there is also a significant positive association
        between violent behaviour and attempted suicide it has been hypothesised that a predisposition to self destructive or risk taking behaviour increases risk for both suicide and violent death.)

        treated groups had 28 fewer deaths per 100 000 from coronary heart disease and 29 excess deaths from suicides, homicides, and accidents.”
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1663605/pdf/bmj00192-0015.pdf

        As most people would guess, risks of suicide, homicide, motor vehicle crashes, etc. tend to be positively correlated with each other and a bunch of demographic/mental/emotional/sociological factors you might loosely term “antisocial”, and/or “lacking positive community roots”; hypothetically, something that might enhance risk-taking behavior (such as being a male between puberty and 30) would be associated with greater risk of mortality from any of those.

        Hey, maybe males “settle down” when they get older because their cholesterol is going up? I want a grant!!

  • rob lindeman

    Where’s the reply button up where I need it?

    In any case, “right” is indeed the wrong word. I fell into a modern linguistic trap. My bad.

    The “right” to incarcerate those innocent of crime is neither a right nor a responsibility. It is a claim made by psychiatrists by the authority of the state. “Public” is a euphemism for “State”

    It’s not a right because it does not inhere in any person, it’s granted by persons with authority to make such grants. It’s not a responsibility because a responsible psychiatrist may choose not to imprison people who have not committed crimes.

    • horseshrink

      Millennia of reality probably do not require the protection of one little shrink against one instance of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Res ipsa loquitur.

      • http://natickpediatrics.net Rob Lindeman

        Qui s’excuse, s’accuse