Why this medical student found primary care awesome, and boring

I recently finished another 5-week clinical rotation.  This one was primary care (outpatient internal medicine +/- family medicine).

First a few words about primary care as a field:  I found it to be both awesome and boring.

It was awesome because I was the “doctor.”  I had essentially full responsibility for my each patient.  From calling him in from the waiting room to deciding what medications he needed and at what dose, and everything in between, he was my responsibility.  After I saw the patient, I’d present the case to my attending for a few minutes, we’d discuss and he’d teach for a minute and modify my plan a little if necessary, then the real doctor would go in and say hello and sign the orders I had suggested.  I was my patient’s health care provider — a phenomenal feeling and an awesome transition in that I now think of myself as a capable clinician-in-training.

But that’s why I found primary care to be boring.  I could do it.  As a 3rd-year medical student.  The cases I saw were by and large obesity, hypertension, diabetes, and hyperlipidemia.  A little tweaking of drug doses here and there, lots of education about lifestyle changes, plenty of questioning to assess for target organ damage, referrals for specialist follow-ups … and far too much of “staying the course.”

Patients with these most common chronic diseases come in for follow-up multiple times a year (or at least they did at the VA), just to go over blood work, get their BP checked, get their referrals, and undergo a focused physical exam.  Those visits really didn’t require much thought.

I like thinking.  Medical students like thinking.  And if this is what most of family medicine/primary care is like … I don’t want to do it for the rest of my life.  Now, I’m not saying that primary care physicians don’t think! My attending was one of the smartest doctors I’ve worked with so far.  I’m just saying that his brain isn’t operating at its full potential when dealing with mundane follow-ups.

So why not save his brain for the difficult things and let someone else, like a PA or NP or even a nutritionist, deal with the simple things?

The most common argument against this “infringement” on scope-of-practice by physician extenders (PE, an umbrella categorization) is that they’re not trained to do the job that MDs and DOs spend 4 years of medical school and 3+ years in residency for.  I agree that their training is different from ours … but that doesn’t mean that PEs can’t do the job that physicians are overqualified for.  Think how much more efficient (both in terms of physician’s time and cost to the system) it would be if patients could have these kinds of simple visits with PEs:  “Your blood test results are on target, keep doing what you’re doing” and “We’re not going to change your medication right now because you haven’t been taking all of them regularly and/or you haven’t been maintaining your diet like we told you to.”

The argument against PEs cites patient safety concerns as a reason not to expand scope of practice for these health care professionals.  But if the PE knows when to refer to a physician, that sounds safe to me.  Having worked with them in the primary care setting, I’ve personally witnessed nurses coming to ask the doctor to take a look because they’re not sure what’s going on.

Of course the devil’s advocate says, “But they don’t know when they don’t know!”  But can’t the same be said of primary care doctors, who routinely refer to a specialist?  If a patient is found to have HIV after a routine screening test, she’ll be referred by her PMD to an Infectious Disease doc for management.  But what if the PMD hadn’t done a screening test?  The patient may not have been diagnosed or had clinical symptoms until she had her first opportunistic infection.  In another scenario, acute HIV presents as a nonspecific flu-like illness … and the actual diagnosis might not be made at that time.  Now, go back and read that paragraph again, replacing “PMD” with “NP.”

That point aside, let’s temporarily concede that, fine, physician extenders don’t know how to spot a zebra.  And they may not be able to handle all the horses.  But they can definitely handle the day-to-day horse grooming.  Which is great, because I don’t want to groom horses after I finish medical school.  I’d much rather see the horse only when I want to go riding.  But that’s just me.

Suchita Shah is a medical student who blogs at University and State.

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  • http://thoughtbroadcast.com SteveBMD

    Where to begin…

    First of all, ALL of medicine is boring. And/or frustrating, time-consuming, aggravating, or headache-inducing. Welcome to the real world.

    Secondly, don’t sell yourself short. A 3rd-year med student knows a heck of a lot. You should be proud that you could do what you did.

    Third, if you find primary care boring, don’t do it. But I guarantee you it can be rewarding and fulfilling if you know how to do it. (The same goes for the “routine” visits in other specialities, like peds, OB/GYN, psych, neuro) One major problem with health care is that those of us with many, many years of education have allowed ourselves to become just order-requestors and prescription-writers, instead of getting to know our patients deeply and using that knowledge to optimize pt care (and make it more cost effective) in the long run. I know, I know, there’s no time for that, but we physicians need to demand it.

    Finally, I cringed when you wrote “So why not save his brain for the difficult things and let someone else, like a PA or NP or even a nutritionist, deal with the simple things?” I’m sure others may comment on this, but it’s this attitude that has lost MDs a great deal of respect in this field. EVERYONE has something to bring to the table, and no one deserves to be talked down to.

    • Sharon MD

      Steve B, I cringed too. I guess the disrespect starts in medical school!

  • Sharon MD

    I feel sorry for you, Suchita, that you didn’t get to see how challenging primary care really is. In family medicine you never know what you’ll see. One visit is a newborn, the next a geriatric patient, the next an adolescent. I do knee injections, IUD insertions, endometrial biopsies, skin tag removals. I find it far from boring. You certainly shouldn’t do anything you think is boring, but it sounds like you are assuming that all primary care is the same as what you were exposed to for a brief amount of time.

    Your mind is made up, but for other med students reading this, being responsible for all 20 of a patient’s problems is indeed challenging. How do you balance the drug interactions? What do you do when someone has fatty liver disease and also needs a statin for cholesterol? What about when the cardiologist and the gastroenterologist disagree about how much aspirin to use? How do you treat the blood pressure of an 80-year-old differently than that of a 30-year-old, and how do you engage the patient and family in those decisions? How do you talk about end-of-life care in the morning and newborn care in the afternoon?

    Because specialists deal with a much more narrow range of ailments, specialty clinics are an ideal use of physician extenders. They can take the same history every time, use the same algorithms for treatment every time, and report anything anomalous to their supervising physician.

    I hope some of your colleagues were able to experience some more expansive primary care practices that practice real family medicine. Also, in different environments, there is a wide range of referral practices. Some primary care doctors are in environments where referrals are much more routine than in others.

    In real life, “staying the course” is the way medicine is. It’s not the rapid-fire changes you see in the hospital. It’s people living their normal lives, and occasionally seeing the doctor and trying to make the small changes that add up to big lifestyle benefits in the future. I think it’s hard to see the complexity of that as a medical student, but I hope you haven’t scared off others. Primary care can involve lots of variation, with procedures, a wide variety of patients, and the satisfaction of long-term relationships.

    • jsmith

      Uh, I don’t think you second paragraph is gonna have the med students jumping into primary care. Being challenged is good, being the bagholder in a no-win situation is bad. Just sayin’.

      • Sharon MD

        It might not attract med students who want to rush in, save the day, and leave, but those who want to use their brains (and hearts!) might be interested in the challenge of having such a “no-win” situation (because that is what primary care is about – it’s about getting the best health possible, even though there are no easy answers).

        • jsmith

          You’re still digging the hole. Stop, please, there’s a shortage you know!

          • Sharon MD

            Well, match results continue to show an uptick in interest in primary care, so I guess some med students aren’t afraid of complexity!

  • http://www.BocaConciergeDoc.com Steven Reznick MD

    The challenge of primary care is to build and sustain a long term relationship during which you get to know your patient in a healthy state so that you can pick up changes and problems at an earlier and hopefully correctable state. Being able to use all your senses and training and life long education to detect subtle changes of great meaning when your patient says ” everything is fine.” is a developed skill. Unless the patient calls in with an emergency, each visit presents an unknown challenge. Finding unusual diagnoses or zebras is the least of it. Getting to know your patient and helping them to have a long and high quality life during which their goals and aspirations can be met, is what it is all about.
    As I have said in other posts, most nurse practitioners receive 638 clinically supervised hours during their masters nurse practitioner program. Contrast that with a minimum of 12-16,000 hours of clinically supervised training for a physician. We are fortunate that we have many well trained highly skilled nurse practitioners in America , many of whom had long clinical careers as RN’s in America’s health care centers. They do an outstanding job. It is a different mind set however then the training a board certified internist or family practitioner receives before entering the world of practice.

    • http://warmsocks.wordpress.com/ WarmSocks

      EXACTLY!!! Shuttling patients off to the NP/PA for “little” things is not condusive to establishing a long-term relationship between the doctor & patient.

  • http://www.medicineforchange.com/ Emily Lu

    That’s so odd, I’ve had the same exact thoughts shadowing at the subspecialty clinic! All the patients were coming in, by and large, for the same ailment (which was that doctor’s specialty) and getting the same 5-10 minute spiel about their treatment options, which even as a first year medical student, though I don’t know all the details, I could probably replicate now that I’ve watched it five times.

    Most medicine gets repetitive and different students like different things. It’s not rocket science, just a fact.

    • http://futureoffamilymedicine.blogspot.com mdstudent31

      Same here. It is amazing how after rotating w/ so many specialists, all the knowledge given to us after many years of studying/hard work in medical school and taking USMLE/COMLEX is set aside. I have heard a variety of things from “discuss those other things w/ your primary doctor” to “I don’t take care of that part of the body, I only deal with this part.” This is a minority of physicians, but can have an impact on impressionable medical students. Of course specialists are vital and have their role in the care of our patients – but I would say a minority actually put all the pieces of the puzzle together without relying on primary care physicians.

      That said, another piece of information that is left out here is the fact that as a medical student, our responsibility for these patients end once our resident/attending makes their own assessment and plan; our ultimate responsibility ends once we are done with the rotation. Without having that sense of responsibility when caring for patients as a medical student, it takes a huge sense of personal responsibility out of the equation. We may feel like we saved the world that day though we cannot forget that the patient’s life goes on after that encounter. Once our recommendations become a part of that patient’s life, it’s a whole different ballgame – what seems mundane at the time as a student becomes a lot different as a physician.

      When rotating in medical school, we see snapshots of patients with relatively little continuity. As medical students we want to feel like our contributions and time with a patient help with their care – we want to help people (most of us anyways). Most rotations only provide that sense of satisfaction when dealing with relatively acute issues. With the number of patients that a family physician is responsible for, the percentage of those with acute issues is relatively small over such a small period of time. If we had the opportunity to follow a panel of patients as a family physician would over the course of our medical school education, I suspect our outlook on primary care and continuity of care would be a lot different.

  • http://warmsocks.wordpress.com/ WarmSocks

    I wonder if you saw the same types of patients over and over because that’s what you were expected to be able to handle. People go to their family doctor for anything and the doctor needs to be able to figure it it. Perhaps if you were further along toward graduation you’d have seen more “interesting” cases. My family doctor has done EKG, vasectomy, EMB, set/cast broken bones, delivered babies, stitched up large cuts, and provided “routine” preventive care – plus I’m sure he does a ton of other things that my family hasn’t needed. That’s a huge variety, not nearly as routine and boring as following up the same ailment thirty times a day, day in and day out like specialists see.

  • Bob

    It appears you have not had the opportunity to work with PAs and NPs. Actually, being a 3rd year medical student, have you ever been outside of your fantasyland of academia? 1 five week rotation and apparently you have primary care figured out. In fact, PAs do have a functioning brain that is capable of differential diagnosis including the identification of zebras. From an ED PA standpoint, the family medicine doctors know their patients and frequently save everyone’s butt (including the ED attendings!)

    The MD-PA/NP relationship is one to be nurtured, not someone you dump on.

    I can assure you your career will be short, frustrating and miserable if you maintain this view of Physician Extenders.

    I’m your colleague, not your do-boy.

    -your neighborhood friendly PA

  • theprofessor

    really? as a med student, u really feel like u have mastered primary care medicine? as a professor of medicine, i have a reference point, and i can assure u that u have not. i don’t think u are being challenged enough by your attending. an excellent physician doesn’t necessarily mean s/he is a good teacher.

    u still have so much to learn…..about medicine, the real world…..and yourself. be sure to look back at this blog entry in 10 years. you will appreciate my words hopefully by then.

  • arg

    Is that it is in fact easy to be a bad PCP. It’s also easy to be a bad specialist. Any MS3 can do it!

    It’s being a good PCP that’s the trick…and this takes many years of training and experience, regardless of whether you’re a physician, nurse, or PA.

  • Leo Holm MD

    You have learned much young jedi…but you have much more to learn still. A lot of medicine, in all specialties, is composed of racketeering, place holding, tail coverage and adherence to a “standard of care”…whatever that is. You also witnessed the plague of high referral rates driven by numerous factors like PCPs simply not having the time or appropriate reimbursement to deal with specific problems. The same effect is also driven by institutional racketeering deigned to maximize reimbursement or “feed” specialists. The problem is, one day you will need a JOB. You could certainly diagnose a patient with high blood pressure, do your exam and tests and whatever, educate the patient. give them a blood pressure cuff, medications and a decision tree to follow and say “call me if you ever get chest pain”. Unfortunately, if this is your style, you will be: broke, sued, reprimanded by the medical board and fired from your parent institution. Alternatively you could have an army of midlevels doing the follow up work for you. This will lead to either virtual replacement of the PCP or will resign the PCP to a management position. I would suggest both are actually happening. You have correctly noted some of the major problems facing PCPs today. I don’t know if you have had an experience in rural medicine, but it may change the way you see primary care. I could use a boring day from time to time.

    • http://www.fhea.com Dr. Margaret Fitzgerald, NP

      Dr. Holm, as a PCP (FNP) in an inner city community health center, I agree, the young jedi has much to learn. I could also, after 25 years of practice, use a boring day as well.

      Being a primary care provider means never having the same day twice, being with patients at birth, childhood, the turmoil of the teen year, young and older adulthood, and to death. Doing this work is a great privilege, a horrible (at times) frustration and an utter joy. To view it as a series of repeating tasks is to see it just at the surface, and not to see the power of helping to keep people well or to make the end of life more comfortable. As a member of a family practice residency, I feel saddened that Suchita cannot see what I see in my patients and what I do.

  • ninguem

    Suchita Shah, I’d say go with your instincts and stay out of primary care. You’re not doing anything different than the vast majority of medical students are doing.

    • http://futureoffamilymedicine.blogspot.com mdstudent31

      Interesting you say that. I have seen the contrary.

      Military match stats this year had family medicine listed along with peds, ob, surg, and ortho as the most competitive for military match.

      Osteopathic match: “Primary care specialties of family practice saw a 15% increase and internal medicine saw a 28% increase. Family practice was the largest matched specialty with 373 positions filled. ”

      Last year had the highest number of US grads matching into family medicine since 2004.

      This year, family medicine had another increase of 11% in NRMP.

  • DRJEBJ

    Sad…it appears you missed all of the interesting challenges in the mundane patients you saw. Every patient encounter is an opportunity to discover something and someone new. I chose primary care partly because I didn’t want every patient of the day to be a life an death situation. I am happy to be brilliant once or twice a day and very much enjoy discovering what makes each of my patients tick, what they love and hate and why they make the health choices they do. I love to hear about their jobs and hobbies and families, their grief and their joy. I can always find a way to plant a small seed of better health in each of their lives.
    I love this job!

  • Alison

    First of all, a physician’s “brain” is not a racehorse that is ruined by doing the mundane chores like giving lessons or pulling a cart that should be done by less worthy horses. The skill sets of allied health professionals, their education and experience, and their intelligence is by no means inferior to yours, but rather is complementary. Many, many nurses could easily have gone to med school instead of getting their RN or MSN but wanted a different career with its own challenges and rewards. That doesn’t make them your lackeys or peons.

    Second, you seem to have based you idea of practicing medicine on watching too much ER, House, and Grey’s Anatomy. Even neurosurgeons have to do paperwork, and the most “exciting” procedures and cases can become routine after long enough. The key is to find joy in helping and connecting with patients, a job well done, and (of course) the excitement of a good case (just remember this is only one aspect, not the only one).

    Third, somehow I doubt you really knew it all. Most attendings guide students towards cases within their competence, and many patients with more sensitive or complex issues do not consent to being treated by a student. In my practice, I try to make sure to expose students mostly to cases they can handle but also have them shadow me in a decent number of ones that remind them they don’t know everything — and neither do I.

    • http://zenfire.tumblr.com Zenfire

      “Even neurosurgeons have to do paperwork”

      Ordering “medical co-management” hardly qualifies as paperwork.

  • http://universityandstate.wordpress.com Suchita S

    I appreciate the comments and perspectives from those within the field of family medicine/primary care, and I believe you when you say you feel like you have exciting days, you’re intellectually challenged, and you love what you do. And I know that my family medicine experience was skewed in terms of patient population and variety of cases seen (I was at a VA Hospital) and also by the medical school I attend. However, when I’m choosing the field that is right for me and how I see my career, I can only base my decision on what I experience and feel during the 5 weeks I spend rotating through that specialty. My 5-week primary care rotation reinforced my love for and interest in internal medicine, but it also showed me that I personally wouldn’t enjoy doing only outpatient work for the rest of my life. But again — that’s just me.

    • ninguem

      I’m in primary care, and unlike some here, I don’t feel slighted or insulted in the least.

      One might criticize the reasoning, but your instincts are sound. Follow your gut feeling, you’ll do fine.

      Once again, your conclusions are the same as the vast majority of medical students these days. There’s a reason for that.

    • jsmith

      Two words: radiation oncology.

  • http://www.clinician1.com MittmanPA@gmail.com

    WOW.
    The hardest parts of family medicine are the things you have yet to learn. It is holding someone after you told them they may die, it is listening to someones symptoms and HEARING them, it is coming up with treatment that works for the PATIENT. Differentials if you are an NP, PA or physician and you are GOOD will be pretty close. It is the patient advocacy that cleaves the art of medicine from the vomiting up of differentials that one learns in their initial training.
    I have been a PA for 35 years and have worked with many NPs and PAs I would consider excellent, complete clinicians.
    Dave

  • Anonymous

    Would primary care be less boring if it paid more?

    • Anon

      If primary care paid considerably more, many medical students would begin to find it fascinating! Seriously, primary care is not boring. You never know what problems will show up in your office or hospital, and you need to be able to handle many different stressors. Doing primary care well is difficult. Combine that with (relatively) lower pay, ever increasing overhead, decreasing esteem from specialists and some patients, and increasing demands on your time …. It’s really not hard to figure out why medical students stay away ….. Still, it can be satisfying when you really connect with your patients and many of them do appreciate you….

      • ninguem

        Hit the nail on the head. If primary care paid better, suddenly the field would become fascinating.

        Doing primary care well is hard. Fine. Doing anything well is hard.

      • jsmith

        In an alternative universe, primary care salary goes to 350K: “I can’t believe how fascinating primary care is! Blood pressure checks? Wow. Riveting. Did you know that blood pressure changes like, every second? And man, I cannot get enough of chronic tiredness and dizziness. The differential diagnostic challenges involved just keep me in a continual state of wonder.”
        It’s da money, folks. Always has been, always will be.

  • http://www.drdialogue.com Juliet K. Mavromatis, MD

    Thanks for your blog Suchita. I had my 3rd year Emory medical student rotating with me for 12 weeks read it today. It’s difficult to decide what field to go into. At first I thought pathology, then infectious disease, then neurology, then dermatology, then finally general internal medicine. I love my practice and find every day a challenge. So much to learn and know–today SVT management, reading a holter, cluster headaches, and osteoporosis prevention, tomorrow, a skin rash, depression, celiac disease, a 24 year old with an enlarged lymph node. I’ve never had a boring day. Hectic–yes. Underpaid–perhaps. When I was in college I worked in retail selling clothes at Lord and Taylor–now that’s a boring job. Being a waitress, a little less so. If the disease isn’t interesting, getting to know and understand the patient is. I hope you will choose something that you enjoy as much as I enjoy general medicine.

  • SaltLick

    I am a PA who has worked in family practice, OB-GYN, cardiology and internal medicine for 20 years and who is proud to be a ZEBRA hunter. Zebras are everywhere. I had the honor to help lead to the diagnose of a person with hyperparathyroid cancer. That person came in for a same day appointment with a bones problem but the stones and groans were never noted by anyone else, because you know, in an urgent, same day appointments you can only deal with one issue. She had been complaining for years. I am always watching. This is just one example. Not all of my MD, PA and NP colleagues are zebra hunters. To be one you have to have the right personality, not the right specialty or degree. We all have stories like this. I’d encourage all medical students in their rotations to ask their mentors about the moments that flame their fire to be in medicine and they will continue to be inspired by the field they have chosen to pursue.

  • Yusuf Harper

    Hmmm I’ve been in primary care my entire 35 yr career. Boring is far far from the reality I have had. Rural America where I have practiced has offered me challenges beyond anything ‘limited practitioners’ (previously mis-named specialists) have to face and overcome. I am an ED physician in a small hospital now and see everything, I mean everything. I deal with ICU type care, ‘mega’codes, pts on coumadin with blood pouring out the nose, kids with b-b’s in the ear, and depressed, anxious pts day in and day out. I have practiced worldwide. MY Family Practice training was the only thing that could have provided me this ability. The last thing I would want to do is be a Neuro-Surgeon who sees five diagnosis everyday, and occassionally something interesting. Boring! are you kidding? This is exactly why Universities are no place to train “Real Doctors”.

  • DMNP

    I’m glad you won’t be going into primary care. It’s a crazy hard job – you’re expected to know everything about everything. As soon as you think you know something (not to mention everything) you’re sunk. After 9 years in primary care I finally decided, 9 years ago, that it wasn’t for me. I’ve been specializing in endocrinology – mostly diabetes – since then. One of the hardest parts of my job is seeing a new patient for diabetes who has been treated by a primary care provider (of any ilk/degree) who thought they knew what they were doing (or, in my opinion, thought they thought they SHOULD know what they’re doing and were too embarrassed to ask for help) and have been short-changing their patient for years and years. So, please – find something challenging. Find something that you never feel comfortable with. It’s the only thing that will keep you going home and studying. Don’t ever expect that to end with graduation. Best of luck in your decisions/future, I hope you end out doing something you can feel passionate about.

  • doctormom

    Suchita S: Go into what you love. If your soul isn’t pulled to primary care – then don’t go there. We all spend so much time at our job that we need to love what we do! Sounds like you like the hospital life and not outpatients…so head there in some way if you can. If you like the change and excitement of never knowing what is going to come into the clinic or ER…then I have a deal for you! Come be a family medicine doctor in rural America where you are “it” for every heart attack, MVA, amputation, laceration…and every routine hypertensive,diabetic, hyperlipidemic and sick child. I agree with Yusuf Harper: Boring isn’t a descriptive term for what happens in a rural practice! That being said…we need all kinds of doctors. My advice for students is always to go where YOU want to live. Go into the profession YOU want to go into. Be happy.

  • StevenG

    Someone tricked me. I didn’t realize as a PA I was supposed to be seeing the easy things or that my job wasn’t supposed to be difficult and according to a few posts that I’m only supposed to be in speciality nitch medicine.

  • Kathleen Thompson

    As a PA that works in the hospital in a sub-specialty, but previously did primary care where I had my own panel of nearly 1200 patients, I can add 2 comments:
    1) The challenge of primary care is treating the WHOLE patient, including addressing the psycho/social stressors that are contributing to their physical symptoms. And also, when you least expect it, if you really look and listen, you will find many things other MDs have missed — including ovarian cancer (treated as “IBS” for far too long, in most cases), amelanotic melanoma (frozen 5 or 6 times by previous MDs with no response) and on and on.
    2) Secondly, our hospital is recently affiliated with, and starting its own, medical school/fellowship program. I am constantly “teaching” the 1st, 2nd and 3rd year residents and the new interns about medicine. And believe me, they may have lots of book knowledge, but you will learn that you truly become skilled long after leaving the classroom. As long as you continue to pursue knowledge and hone physical exam skills, the lines between the MDs/DOs, and NPPs will blur, as the true learning accrues with experience. I just hope that when they are out practicing, they will remember how much they relied on “that PA” to show them ropes and point out what they missed, in a respectful manner, and taught them how pay attention to the patient, not the numbers or the obvious things.

    • doctormom

      Thanks for the post. Respect is the key word. I replied to you…but this isn’t necessarily directed at you. :-) This is in reference to the entire string and many other strings. PA/NP need to be respectful of physicians. Physicians need to be respectful of PA/NPs. Family physicians need to be respectful of specialists. Specialists need to be respectful of family physicians. There are good ones and bad ones in each group. No one should ever generalize an entire group. All of us need to know our limitations. We are all different, our training is different, and our experience/knowledge is different. We need to be respectful of the differences. We are not the same.,,yet we should all be able to play in the sandbox together. Thanks for bringing up the word “respect.” We all need a dose.

  • Caitlin PA-C

    To Suchita, should you be reading the responses to your comments:

    This blog entry is now floating around different mid-level circles, and it’s really disheartening to hear that a medical student thinks family practice is too easy, and that the “simple” things should be left to other health care providers… You’re not starting out on the right foot. Or the left for that matter.

    A. Family practice is the most challenging specialty and does not get the respect it deserves. Having to know everything all at once all day long is really difficult… and doing it for 5 weeks as a student is not a good representation of the specialty.

    B. Mid-levels, and all other clinical team members for that matter- including dietitians, psychologists, physical therapists, nurses… the list goes on and on… we’re all major contributors to patient care in all different specialties, and I can guarantee you that we all know plenty of complicated information that you do not, and in your future career you will need our cooperation and expertise to care for your patients with the level of care that they deserve.

    I’m at a loss for more words… I wish you well, and hope that you find something you love and can actually practice that type of medicine with compassion.

  • Dr. J

    I had a ‘boring day’ in the emerg yesterday, it was awesome. My med student was disappointed that no ‘big cases’ were coming in, but seriously it was the most gratifying day I have had in a year. A lady came in with a broken ankle, she went onto a stretcher, on to the entanox and had an IV in and pain meds on board 5 minutes after she hit the door, 10 minutes later she was x-rayed, splinted and leaving for the pre-op area. She was comfortable, a little stoned on meds and gave me the thumbs up.

    My medical student thought the case was lame, we didn’t even do a real cast! I thought the case was awesome.

    The perspective of what is boring and what is interesting changes over time, and sometimes giving great care to a little case beats the feeling of drowning while you try to remember which pressors the septic transplant patient is on and which one the septic HIV patient is on, when you are being asked for verbal orders to change settings while at the same time doing a tricky laceration repair.

    Dr. J

  • Heather Muxworthy

    I want to comment on the primary care being boring by Suchita. I am a doctorally prepared nurse practitioner in psychiatry. I have worked in psychiatry for over tweny years. I find your blog to be highly misrepresented. There have been numerous articles that have cited that NP’s give safe, quality care to patients. NP’s get high patient satisfaction scores as well. As for our education, let it go. I have eleven years of education that leads to my NP practice. I also have a scope of practice that tells me when I am out of my league. My practice has always been considered exceptional and expert level. Physicians must stop referring to NP’s as “extenders” and refer to us as partners in practice. You are correct, many of the routine, check in kind of appts. can be handled by the NP’s. But please stop telling us that we are unsafe, uneducated and not able to manage the more acute cases because we can, we do, and we have been for many years.

  • L.MacGregor

    I am an NP who specializes in nephrology. I find the attitude of this 3rd year MED STUDENT most amusing! I have the respect of all the MDs I work with and handle their patients in the hospital. The residents in the hospital I work in come to me for advice. I don’t handle just simple things, but complex patients, including those that need acute dialysis treatment. Please learn to have some respect for everyone in the hospital or you will get your butt kicked. Respect for the housekeepers all the way up to the CEO.

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