Advice for a second year medical student

A rising second year medical student read some of my posts and wrote me a kind note asking if I would write something for students. I taught students and ran surgical clerkships at community teaching hospitals for my entire career until about 19 months ago.

I also was prompted to address this subject after reading a recent New York Times story about a new admissions policy at Mt. Sinai Medical School.

The school is accepting some students who are majoring in the humanities and are not required to take the usual science courses or the MCAT. In the words of one of the participants in the program: “I didn’t want to waste a class on physics, or waste a class on orgo [organic chemistry]. The social determinants of health are so much more pervasive than the immediate biology of it.” I agree that possibly “orgo” and probably physics are not necessarily essential for medical school applicants. But I think these courses are still relevant because they assess one’s ability to think.

According to the article, these humanities students are faring as well as traditional students as far as grades and class rankings are concerned. Is this because science doesn’t really matter or could there be another reason?

Grades in medical schools are a joke. Let’s talk about the third year. If you look at the explanation of grades that comes with a student’s medical school transcript, you will find that the average distribution of grades in third-year clerkships in all subjects is something like this: honors 30%; pass 68%; low pass 2%. It is almost impossible to flunk out of any medical school in the United States. I once received an application for residency from a student who had been matriculating at a single medical school for TEN YEARS! I assure you that dean’s letter was a masterpiece. [More on deans’ letters below] And the fourth year of medical school is even worse. With few exceptions, most schools allow students to choose electives which may be taken just about anywhere on the planet. There are no objective measures of performance on electives and students are even more likely to receive honors grades in electives than in required courses.

“‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.’” [Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass. See also Bill Clinton "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." And "It depends on how you define alone…"]

Carroll’s quotation is not only applicable to Humpty Dumpty but it also describes most deans’ letters supporting student applications to residency training programs. Obfuscation is the name of the game. Until just a few years ago, deans did not even have to mention such things as failing a course, dropping out of school for a year or disciplinary actions. The letters all continue to read like public relations releases. The best part is the end where the dean uses an adjective, which in many instances is a code that tells the reader what the student’s class rank is, to describe the student. Some of my favorites from real dean’s letters are as follows [highest to lowest and, where indicated, % of the class receiving that adjective]:

School A—outstanding, excellent, superior, very good, good;
School B— superior 20%, outstanding 20%, excellent 30%, very good 20%, good 7%, solid 3% [I guess “solid” could mean the student is dense as a rock.];
School C—superior “a few,” outstanding 25%, excellent 65%, very good 20%. I know it doesn’t add up to 100% so talk to the dean. Also, the worst student in the class was very good.

Yes, medical school resembles that famous fictional town in the Midwest. “Welcome to Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average.” [Garrison Keillor]

As far as I know, most medical schools are teaching surgery just like they did 40 years ago. What is Hesselbach’s triangle? What is Charcot’s triad? Second assist on a bunch of cases. Get the lab results from the computer so they can be re-entered in the computer in a progress note. And so on. Now that an entire surgical textbook can be carried in your cell phone, why don’t we change the paradigm? Rather than forcing you to memorize information, we should be teaching you how analyze and synthesize it as it relates to your patient.

The third-year surgery rotation in medical school is not a necessarily a good simulation of what it’s like to be a surgical resident. I can’t say what goes on in every school, but the last school I was affiliated with allowed students to take off the day after call. I never could figure out why since we only woke them for major cases at night and they usually slept most of the time. All I could say was, “It’s your tuition [$45K/year] and if you want to go home, it’s OK with me.” By the way, we at the affiliated hospitals never saw a penny of that tuition money. I’m not sure exactly where it was spent. I think that the way students are coddled on surgery rotations might be a factor resulting in the high attrition rate [about 25%] of surgery residents; i.e., it looks easy from the perspective of a student who does not do much.

Fourth year is out of control. In addition to the grade problem mentioned above, students are permitted to choose just about any rotation they want in the fourth year. This leads to tragic situations such as the student who takes four or five orthopedic electives in order to get noticed and then does not secure an orthopedic residency in the match. He will have wasted a good part of his fourth year.

One of the many unintended consequences of the electronic medical record [EMR] is the demise of medical student progress notes and orders. There is no provision for such activities in most EMRs. I have no idea how students are learning how to do these things.

My advice to my new friend, the rising second-year student, is that you should work hard and study hard during your surgery rotation in the third year. Be inquisitive. Be skeptical. Ask why. In my 38 years or so of teaching students, I estimate that I was challenged by a student on something I said fewer than five times. [Disclaimer #1: Not all authority figures like to be challenged. Choose your targets wisely. Be respectful.]

If you want to be a general surgeon, take one surgery elective in the fourth year just to be sure you are making the right choice. Then take electives in gastroenterology, critical care, radiology [Not just because of the hours. You will need to know how to read a CT scan in the middle of the night unless you want to wait a couple of hours for the nighthawk to fax a reading.], anesthesiology and other non-surgical rotations. [Disclaimer #2: This is my opinion and it may not be shared by others.]

Skeptical Scalpel is a surgeon blogs at his self-titled site, Skeptical Scalpel.

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  • http://medicaleducation.wetpaint.com/ Deirdre

    Several points in your article are inaccurate:
    1. The assumption that science teaches people to think more than humanities. Many undergraduate science classes are about memorizing masses of information that physicians never use not about thinking while a good philosophy, psychology, anthropology class will teach critical thinking.
    2. My medschool accepts humanities and science. Humanities folks struggle initially in basic sciences but they have caught up by 2nd year because they know how to memorize and make connections as well as any science student.
    3. Marking on the curve is inappropriate when ALL of the students you select into your medschool were in the top 15% at university; they should all be superior students or there is something wrong with your selection process.

  • http://rk.md Rishi

    As a second year medical student myself, this post was great to put things in perspective!

  • Dr. Kene Mezue

    In Nigeria, where I trained, Medical school is still a very tough call…entry requirements are very stringent…the exams are really hard and most times half to two-thirds of the class fails. Grades are Pass, Fail and Distinction, and in a class of 200 students, sometimes none makes a Distinction. When our transcripts are sent abroad, solid students who would have easily gotten perfect GPAs in American schools as under-grads would have a transcript filled with Cs and Bs.

  • Kevin N.

    One of the many unintended consequences of the electronic medical record [EMR] is the demise of medical student progress notes and orders. There is no provision for such activities in most EMRs. I have no idea how students are learning how to do these things.

    I don’t understand your contention here. We should be training students to work within the existing system(s), i.e. if the hospitals have switched entirely to EMR, what exactly is being lost by them training to document solely within EMR? If the quality of notes/orders has deteriorated because of EMR, then that sounds like the problem lies with the EMR system itself (i.e. users constrained to ‘check box’ documentation versus narrative).

    • Brian

      Kevin,
      I think that was the author’s point: The current EMR system does not allow medical students to practice this, as it has no provision to do so.

      • Kevin N.

        My point is, simply, that these new EMR systems are fundamentally–then–changing the nature of medical practice itself. Perhaps the the old progress note has become an anachronism (?)

        If the old, narrative, style of documentation has value, then why has medicine allowed it to be supplanted by EMR systems that have relegated us to checking boxes?

        Is there any data that shows that *how* we document our care has any effect on outcomes? If so, then why have we allowed inferior systems to prevail? If not, then perhaps we’re romanticizing the progress notes of lore.

        • Solomd

          —-If the old, narrative, style of documentation has value, then why has medicine allowed it to be supplanted by EMR systems that have relegated us to checking boxes?—-

          Because that is how we now get paid – clicking boxes to show we met the insurance/Medicare’s checklist requirements to justify our billing. It has little to do with the cerebral aspect of practicing medicine and more to do with pencil-pushers’ demands. The traditional history and physical is invaluable in painting a picture of the patient’s medical picture and helping guide the clinical decision and care process. The EMR output is nothing more than pages of disjointed crap that has absolutely nothing to do with patient care.

        • thirdparty

          “Is there any data that shows that *how* we document our care has any effect on outcomes? If so, then why have we allowed inferior systems to prevail? If not, then perhaps we’re romanticizing the progress notes of lore.”

          I believe that the qulaity of the progress note can have effect on outcomes. As a radiologist I look at the progress notes of physicians in order to learn what is going on with the patient and what the patient’s physicians are thinking. The information that it sometimes available in a progress note can be more useful than the minimal info provided as the reason for exam on the order. Sucj info helps me to decide how best to tailor the radiologic exam to meet the needs of the patient and physician. Sadly I have seen too many progress notes that say absolutely nothing about what the physician thinks is going on with the patient or why he is ordering the particular tests.

          A good progress note can also be a form of cheap defensive medicine. Good documentation of why a physician has chosen to do or not do a particular test or procedure can sometimes be the one thing that exempts that physician from a malpractice suit.

          I suppose that med students can learn how to write a quality note during residency but the sooner they learn it the more likely it is that they will continue to do it later in their practice.

  • max

    I’ve always said it. Anyone can do med school. A plumber can make it through med school.

    • Dr. J

      Max your reasoning is quite flawed. A humanities course in philosophy or rhetoric would serve you well.
      Plumbers require above average analytical skills, ability to problem solve with limited information and significant technical skills (some of which have heavy overlap with medicine). A plumber is a skilled person and may in fact have a set of skills that would be useful in medicine if they chose to pursue it.
      This really doesn’t prove that anyone ‘can do med school’ however. I get that you are painting plumbers as a bunch of gorillas and so if they could do it anyone could, but your assumptions about both plumbers and doctors are both incorrect and both offensive.

    • Kevin N.

      It’d be interesting to see that thesis tested.

      Out of 100 plumbers, how many do you think could even get into medical school?

      Nothing against plumbers, but (as most reading this blog know) medical school select for a very specific set of skills/traits. We’ve all known highly intelligent folks who washed out of organic chem (an entire blog post could be dedicated to questioning why o-chem has become the gatekeeper to become a healer).

      I’m not defending how we select physicians; most will admit it’s kind of arbitrary. But few will deny that it’s difficult, and that the majority of people simply cannot do it. As Dwight Schrute would say, “FACT! The majority of society can not get into medical school.”

      I think a lot of physicians harbor an odd guilt that they were able to achieve their lot, and try to alleviate it by saying things like “anyone can do med school.” It’s actually a nice sentiment, but it doesn’t make it true.

  • guest

    I wouldn’t say that its hard to flunk out of med school; a small percentage flunk out because almost everybody is studying their butts off. Its not like we’re just sitting on the porch, sipping lemonade and waiting to start residency.

    Also, I doubt that “anybody” can do medical school. Its very difficult to get into and not all can assimilate so much information.

  • http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com Michael Kirsch, M.D.

    I think we need a lot more humanity if our profession that knowledge of covalent bonds. Does anyone know how to screen for the qualities necessary to become a capable and a compassionate physician? Are MCAT scores and GPAs the best available tools? Similar to the fallacy of pay-for-performance, are we measuring students on various criteria that are easy to measure, because we don’t know how to measure what really counts?

  • http://skepticalscalpel.blogspot.com/ Skeptical Scalpel

    I appreciate all the comments. FYI, a recent JAMA article that I blogged about (http://tiny.cc/5ytkm) reports that during the 10 years from 1999-2009, only 1.2% of US medical students were dismissed or withdrew from medical school for academic reasons.

  • ninguem

    The medical college admission data has been around for decades. Acceptance rates are the same, regardless of undergraduate major. It has been, for decades. I know of know data showing undergraduate major affects medical school performance. Why the repeated posts about medical students with a background in the humanities, as though that’s new?

    The science courses assess your ability to think. So does Latin. Big deal. It is fair to say that organic chemistry measures a student’s ability to handle a body of knowledge. It is fair to take notice of the reality that the schools use it as a tool that way. It could just as easily have been mathematics. Botany. Physics. Playing Asturias on the classical guitar. Reading Marcel Proust’s “A la recherche du temps perdu” in the original French.

    A significant accomplishment. Beats the heck out of the same old boring biology premed major with the obligatory summer as a hospital orderly to show…….I don’t even know what that’s supposed to show.

    If your doctor knows only medicine, you can be sure that he knows not even medicine. –Mark Twain

  • Charles Cohn

    When I was a physics student in the 1950′s, the med students took a watered-down physics course in which calculus was omitted, while the physicists and engineers took the real deal. (Even so, the med students found their physics course to be a major hurdle.) Is the same true today?

  • http://skepticalscalpel.blogspot.com/ Skeptical Scalpel

    @Charles Cohn. “No.”

  • gzuckier

    On a very unscientific sample of convenience, I had occasion to work with a handful of med students and premeds at a Leading University And Medical School who were doing rotations through our lab, a few years back. My number one impression was how little they knew, in general; facts like the origin of penicillin from mold, the sporulation of bacteria, stuff like that.

    That said, when looking for a physician, sheer intellectual prowess is not my first criterion, or even close to it. However, I’m not convinced that medical school does much to select/develop those factors; the main product of medical school, aside from learning medicine, seems to be tolerance of inhumanly crippling workloads, and the somewhat correlated conviction that the time of an MD is much more valuable than that of anyone else, in either the professional or personal sphere. Again, neither of these are important criteria for me in choosing a physician.