Primary care needs more than 15 minutes for patients

Psychotherapy appointments have traditionally lasted 50 minutes with 10 minutes for paperwork. This has lead to the expression, “the 50-minute hour”.

More recently there has been talk of incorporating psychotherapy techniques in brief visits in primary care. The provoking title “The Fifteen Minute Hour” is from a book about addressing the emotional aspects of disease in primary care during brief appointments. The title and the concept seem relevant to much of what we do in my specialty.

In primary care we seldom spend more than 15 minutes at a time with an established patient. Yet we are required to cover infinitely more details and consider more outside authorities in every visit today than when I first started practicing medicine. Between health insurance and office administration, there are now many more mouths to feed from the office charges than there were then. Sometimes it feels like we are not alone in the exam room even for the short time we do have.

Except for doctors in concierge medicine or micropactices, most of us cannot change the amount of time we have with each patient. Even if we hope to change the system, the patients we see today deserve the best we can give them in today’s 15-minute visits.

This is what I do in my busy, rural practice:

I work hard to focus on a purpose for each visit. If neither the doctor nor the patient knows what they are supposed to accomplish in 15 minutes, chances are not much will get done. In my schedule, nobody has just a “follow-up” or an “office visit”.

Established patients come to see me for one of two reasons. They may have identified a problem, such as back pain, a cough or a rash, and made an appointment for this. They might also have a follow-up because I requested them to come back in 1 or 3 months for their blood pressure, diabetes or some other chronic problem.

I look at my daily schedule to see how they day will flow based on the stated reason for each appointment and my knowledge of each patient. This helps us see where we might be able to squeeze in (double book) someone. For example, an appointment for fatigue and weight loss is likely to use up more time than an appointment for an earache. Some individual patients typically tend to need more time than others. Knowing the purpose of each appointment also helps focus the staff and me. Schedule notations like “Follow-up Blood Pressure, bring cuff” (to compare the patient’s own equipment with ours) or “Follow-up Diabetes, do comprehensive foot exam” eliminate guesswork.

I also keep in mind that I sometimes have more than one opportunity to get the results I strive for. Short visits in primary care often occur in the context of a doctor-patient relationship that stretches over an extended period of time and possibly even spans generations. A teacher would not try to cover a semester’s worth of material in the first week or month, and then just spend the rest of the semester repeating and reinforcing that information. It is the same with many chronic conditions we treat. Together, the patient and I decide on a general plan of action. We then patiently make small adjustments over time until we see the results we aimed for.

I try to see patients with chronic conditions like Type 2 Diabetes every three months with fresh blood tests done a few days before the appointment. We go over the results together and work out the next steps in the patient’s care. Every visit includes an overview of the major components of the disease. In diabetes, this list includes blood sugar control, blood pressure, kidney function, cholesterol/lipid status, foot problems, eye problems, heart issues and depression. After the overview, we usually focus on the most pertinent issue, such as improving blood pressure control. Even if every area could use some improvement, it isn’t generally feasible to attack several issues at the same time. Doing one thing at a time tends to bring better results in the long run.

I sometimes schedule brief, very focused visits for one aspect of complicated conditions like diabetes. If I prescribe a new blood pressure medication for one of my diabetic patients, the standard of care may require a blood test shortly afterward. I naturally also need to see what difference the medication made on the patient’s blood pressure and how the medication was tolerated. The visit to check blood pressure and laboratory results is a quick, separate visit between the scheduled quarterly diabetes visits. Chances are in these types of highly focused visits with a limited agenda, there will be time for “extras” that might never get addressed if every visit is a very comprehensive one, crammed into 15 minutes.

I try to be flexible. Every week I see patients whose priorities have changed since the appointment was made. It is important, early in the visit, to determine the best use of our time. I might say, for example, “I had asked you to come back to follow up on your headaches. Is that still OK with you, or do you have anything else you’d rather spend our time on today?”

It is not unusual to see patients who are uncomfortable or upset due to something unrelated to the scheduled purpose for the visit. There is probably no better way to alienate a patient than forcing your own agenda when he or she is in distress and needs you to pay attention to that. Showing that you are ready to listen, by closing the paper chart or pushing away the keyboard, and making eye level contact aren’t “techniques”, but ways of giving the patient permission to take the lead.

The 15-minute appointment is the canvas we have to work with today in the art form we call medicine. I wouldn’t work the same way if I had a bigger canvas to paint on, but each piece of art has to fit its medium.

A Country Doctor is a family physician who blogs at A Country Doctor Writes:.

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  • HJ

    “This helps us see where we might be able to squeeze in (double book) someone. For example, an appointment for fatigue and weight loss is likely to use up more time than an appointment for an earache.”

    I had a PCP that decided my medical issue was simple and gave my time away to squeeze in someone. When her treatments didn’t work, she offered me antidepressants. Fortunately, I found information on the internet and was able to pursue the appropriate diagnosis and treamtent without the guidance of a PCP.

  • Justin

    This is really a problem (I know this is not a revelation). I think patient’s need to know that their insurance companies are driving this issue. If the insurance would pay more then the docs could spend more time.

    And I think there is that 1 doc in 25 who is married to an orthopod and can spend 30 minutes with everyone and take home $60,000 a year because the spouse is really bringing home the bacon. I think that makes the docs who are primary wage earners look bad.

  • Max

    1 in 25? Are you kidding? They seek each other out for precisely that reason. Most docs I know are married to docs. I have no doubt in my mind the motive behind it. None.

  • DrAsh

    Ironic, every post I read now on kevinMD pits patients and physicians against each other. So much mistrust between what for hundreds of years was amongst the most coveted relationships. Why else would smart patients not trust evidence? Pathetic. Can it be fixed? Not in this country. Day after day, week after week, patients and doctors argue. I have a concierge practice. I spend a lot of time with each of my patients. I try to assuage them that a person who runs 5 miles a day and complains of Shiortness of breath does not need a ct scan let alone a CXR. Time is not the answer I once thought it was when I opened my practice 3 years ago out of residency. Patients just dont trust us. Let it be said, The patient- doctor bond is officially dead.

  • http://www.medicinerevealed.com/doctor-patient-right-diagnosis.html medicine revealed

    I believe there are many factors that have caused the recent doctor-patient mistrust. One reason is that patients now have several “second opinions” that they can easily get over the internet and many “expert sites” and computer based “symptom checker” that basically attempt to replace the personal doctor but serve to cause mistrust of the primary doctor. They do not tell patients how doctors think and how they make decisions about diagnosis and treatment but portray as if doctors can be replaced by computers. They place too much emphasis on blood tests and MRsI rather than a careful evaluation by a caring doctor. It is a good thing to have resources available to the patient but I hope they had more websites which actually told them how doctors make medical decisions and describe the uncertainties and complexity involved.

  • Med/Peds Doc

    Theoretically, this post presents a very common sense approach to managing one’s practive day to day. Realistically, most of the propositions are simply bunk. ALL of my patients come with medium to long lists of problems, regardless of age. I had one visit out of 80+ last week that was simple and straightforward…follow-up cigarette cessation after starting Chantix in a 26 y.o. Patients don’t won’t to come multiple times to deal with each of their problems so that each one is dealt with effectively and thoroughly…mainly because each visit requires a copay. So they bring in long lists, especially Medicare patients. I think it is a joke that we see a 90 y.o.Medicare patient on 12 meds in 15 minutes…I often book them in a 30 min slot and am much less profitable than my partners. I do agree with the previous postee about the distrust between docs and patients…it is sad. Misleading internet information and ruthless trial attorneys lead to much of this mistrust. It is sad, but there is no real surprise to the reasons med students avoid primary care. If I knew before what I knew now, I doubt I would go int medicine…the few really satisfying patient encounters I have are FAR OUTWEIGHED by the frustrations of insurance companies, government entities, demanding patients, and poorly compensated efforts. Very sad.

  • stargirl65

    I can no longer sleep on Sunday nights for fear of going to work on Monday and having patients complain about having to pay for the appointment since they have a high deductible health plan, multiple calls for prescription changes due to formularies and mail aways, call in requests for refills and they haven’t been seen in over a year, forms for school and work and insurance and camp and sports and travel and all wanted for free. I am not on retainer and these things take time. No one wants to pay for time. Everyone seems to think my time is theirs for free.

    Also one of the most feared appointments is the new patient that hasn’t seen a doctor in years that has a VERY long list and wants it ALL fixed today because they don’t want to pay for another appointment. Not going to happen. I am not magic.

    • Patient Taylor

      I feel for you. I really do. It’s just more entitlement among Americans. It can hurt the patient’s pocketbook when they have a high deductible plan and I understand that. However, many seem to have no problem spending their money on new cars, flat screen tvs, blackberrys, iphones, etc. Not all, but many. My question to you and other doctors is why don’t you drop your contracts with these insurance carriers? If my doctor dropped my contract, I’d be disappointed, but if they were a really good doctor and we had a good relationship I would still go and just see them under my “out of network” benefits. For example. I am seeing an allergist at the end of the month and was making my appointment when I noticed they dropped United Healthcare. Luckily, I use a different insurance carrier, but I noticed they only accept my carrier and about 4 others now! I am guessing they will eventually drop them all.

      • stargirl65

        I have dropped plans before and patients left. The plan had no out-of-plan benefits. Also a large local employer got a new plan that we did not participate with. It had out-of-plan benefits but they did not kick in until they met a $500 deductible (no deductible for in-plan). Many of these patients also left.

        Going cash is an option. You lose a lot of patients though as they do not want to pay for the visits, they want to use their insurance. Even with a high deductible they want to make sure they don’t miss out on contributing towards the deductible in case they meet it. Most will not meet their deductible anyway so it is somewhat moot. Plus if they have an HSA they can use those moneys for their out-of-plan visits.

  • solo dr

    The current system is failing patients and doctors. Patients are tired of paying a $25 copay per visit for 15 minutes or for the full discounted $55 with deductible plans for 15 minutes. Many patients ask me to move their T2DM/HTN/Cholesterol check visits to 6 months or one time a year, as they don’t like their higher copays or deductible. These same patients want to spend 30-40 minutes to go over the laundry list of concerns that take more than the allocated 15 minutes. Doctors feel rushed to meet the 99213, and sometimes make the 99214 at 25 minutes. This still pushes the time limits. Patients complain that all their needs are not met by the office visits, and doctors complain that there is not enought time to address the needs of patients. The AMA sets CPT coding and average times for visits, and insurance companies refuse to increase reimbursements. The current system is dissatisfying to patients and doctors, but outside of concierge medicine, no one is doing anything about it.

  • Pat the Patient

    MDs: These are YOUR practices. these are YOUR patients. Do you CARE about them? Are you an MD because you are CALLED to HEAL? to MAKE a DIFFERENCE? or are you an MD because you thought it could make you rich?

    If you believe that insurance companies are truly the culprit damaging your practices, RISE UP! GANG TOGETHER! START A REVOLUTION and your patients will rally behind you. Your patients trust insurance companies less than they do you.

    Do not blame the loss of your patients’ trust on the internet. First look to yourselves and how you treat them (i.e., how you behave with them as a person during appointments). You also might reduce or eliminate all the visits from pharmaceutical pushers and the pharmaceutical swag that adorns your offices. Your drug-pushing is another source of that loss of trust.

    I own a small company. Our health insurance renewal for October went up 36.2%. THIRTY SIX POINT TWO PERCENT. Not ONE of my employees made their deductible ($2k) last year. We are a healthy bunch. Let me tell you – in this economy, revenue did not go up; in fact, our revenue is down this year.

    This patient fired MDs a number of years ago when an MD tried to push anti-depressants on me in a 10-minute visit (he actually gave ME the choice of which drug!). After I said “your’re fired” (and shocked the both of us), I went to an ND who took TIME with me and determined that there were a number of food preservatives causing my body serious problems. A DIET CHANGE was all that was needed, not anti-depressants. Let’s be clear: had I followed the MD’s advice, my health would have continued to decline, while I spent $$ on addictive drugs.

    My ND treats me like a PERSON, not a 15-minute list of symptoms that he has no time for. My ND has a large, full practice; 1 office person/receptionist; 1 part time virtual assistant, and a modern website through which patients can make appointments (15, 30, 40, and 50 minute visits). The “paperwork” for my insurance company is completed by my ND by the end of our visit. He is always on time. He follows up with patients via email. His virtual assistant returns certain types of calls.

  • Martha

    Where are these weird doctors who say more time than fifteen minutes are needed? That’s not my primary care
    man of thirty five years. To paraphrase: Seven minutes
    would be fine, ten would be devine. Fifteen would be
    fatal, I would drop dead of euphoria.

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