<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: What&#8217;s a typical day of a primary care doctor like?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:56:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: LynnB</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121876</link> <dc:creator>LynnB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:22:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121876</guid> <description>I love the free effeciency advice. Every sitaution is different, the guy is trying to show what he does. Primary care sucks everywhere, it isn&#039;t that he is ineffecient.. I have thought many times that I would love to have a someone with more training doing those darn prior auths , but then I (or my system) is paying even more people to help the insurance compainies save money so they can hire more people to check up on us, or rather how good our IT staff is.... I am an employed  general internist.  My medical assistant is a lovely person with a high school education , who was in the military and passed the MA certification.  She makes less than an experienced grocery checker. She&#039;ll be around until she can afford nursing school.  Then I get another one who may be good or bad., I&#039;m on salary, they don&#039;t pay anyone to help me because I just work more hours . They don&#039;t need anyone particularly well trained (my asst now is a jewel, but the major support of her family of 4 since her husband&#039;s  construction job is dead) because I will be there to complete their work and correct their errors, all for free. The doc is making the appts , or at least giving a lot of direction because 1. The staff may not know what the problem/urgency is, especially with primary care where it can be diabetes or a brain tumor. This does waste everyones time . Ex: the receptionist scheduled  a VQ scan (bad beans, good lungs) for 10 days later , not because she was evil, because she didn&#039;t know. I can train her, but there are always new employees because we don&#039;t pay that well. 2. The specialist office staff feels they are above talking to &quot;a receptionist&quot; even though that is the specialty staff&#039;s  job title. 90% of specialist also tell them, if its important the doctor will call me. It is alo true that the receptionts or MA at the specialty office may not realize &quot;patient is urinating blood&quot; sounds horrid, but is likley not something that needs to be fixed today 3. Some  pulmonologists want a thin cut CT and complete PFTS before they see a patient with non-resolving infiltrates and some want to look at the plane film and order it themselves and some want to see the patients first.   What is appropritae depends on the patients health and renal function. The assistant doesn&#039;t know all of this , and it truly is my job to be sure the patient has a productive appointment. 4. In the case of the publicly insured patient they will force patients to go through hoops so they (the specialist) don;t waste their valuable time.I have worked with NP&#039;s in  the past , now that we are employed we can&#039;t afford one .Generally LOTS more work and malpractice risk for no extra compensation.Just one comment -my employers  system , like most others uses mid levels in our most difficult areas, like walk-in appts and urgent care centers .   The easy stuff, like is your pottasium back to normal?  or is your BP&lt; 130/80 or your LDL&lt; 70  all goes to the doc.I</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the free effeciency advice. Every sitaution is different, the guy is trying to show what he does. Primary care sucks everywhere, it isn&#8217;t that he is ineffecient..<br /> I have thought many times that I would love to have a someone with more training doing those darn prior auths , but then I (or my system) is paying even more people to help the insurance compainies save money so they can hire more people to check up on us, or rather how good our IT staff is.</p><p>&#8230; I am an employed  general internist.  My medical assistant is a lovely person with a high school education , who was in the military and passed the MA certification.  She makes less than an experienced grocery checker. She&#8217;ll be around until she can afford nursing school.  Then I get another one who may be good or bad., I&#8217;m on salary, they don&#8217;t pay anyone to help me because I just work more hours . They don&#8217;t need anyone particularly well trained (my asst now is a jewel, but the major support of her family of 4 since her husband&#8217;s  construction job is dead) because I will be there to complete their work and correct their errors, all for free.</p><p>The doc is making the appts , or at least giving a lot of direction because<br /> 1. The staff may not know what the problem/urgency is, especially with primary care where it can be diabetes or a brain tumor. This does waste everyones time . Ex: the receptionist scheduled  a VQ scan (bad beans, good lungs) for 10 days later , not because she was evil, because she didn&#8217;t know. I can train her, but there are always new employees because we don&#8217;t pay that well.<br /> 2. The specialist office staff feels they are above talking to &#8220;a receptionist&#8221; even though that is the specialty staff&#8217;s  job title. 90% of specialist also tell them, if its important the doctor will call me. It is alo true that the receptionts or MA at the specialty office may not realize &#8220;patient is urinating blood&#8221; sounds horrid, but is likley not something that needs to be fixed today<br /> 3. Some  pulmonologists want a thin cut CT and complete PFTS before they see a patient with non-resolving infiltrates and some want to look at the plane film and order it themselves and some want to see the patients first.   What is appropritae depends on the patients health and renal function. The assistant doesn&#8217;t know all of this , and it truly is my job to be sure the patient has a productive appointment.<br /> 4. In the case of the publicly insured patient they will force patients to go through hoops so they (the specialist) don;t waste their valuable time.</p><p>I have worked with NP&#8217;s in  the past , now that we are employed we can&#8217;t afford one .Generally LOTS more work and malpractice risk for no extra compensation.</p><p>Just one comment -my employers  system , like most others uses mid levels in our most difficult areas, like walk-in appts and urgent care centers .   The easy stuff, like is your pottasium back to normal?  or is your BP&lt; 130/80 or your LDL&lt; 70  all goes to the doc.</p><p>I</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jo</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121853</link> <dc:creator>jo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:05:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121853</guid> <description>Yeah, primary care is &#039;pretty much bullshit&#039; in many ways due to the amount of administrative work.There are a couple things you might do to be more efficient. First the calling in of prescriptions is time consuming. Do you have a nurse that can call those in for you? Also, using an electronic medical record can speed up doing refills as well. Also prescribing antibiotics over the phone for sinusitis? I would&#039;ve done that as an office visit, same amount of time.Sounds like you&#039;re &#039;too nice&#039; making appointments for your patients etc., just have them call and make the appt themselves.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, primary care is &#8216;pretty much bullshit&#8217; in many ways due to the amount of administrative work.</p><p>There are a couple things you might do to be more efficient. First the calling in of prescriptions is time consuming. Do you have a nurse that can call those in for you? Also, using an electronic medical record can speed up doing refills as well. Also prescribing antibiotics over the phone for sinusitis? I would&#8217;ve done that as an office visit, same amount of time.</p><p>Sounds like you&#8217;re &#8216;too nice&#8217; making appointments for your patients etc., just have them call and make the appt themselves.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jsmith</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121780</link> <dc:creator>jsmith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:30:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121780</guid> <description>anon, Excellent point.  Alas, I am salaried.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon, Excellent point.  Alas, I am salaried.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Toni Brayer, MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121777</link> <dc:creator>Toni Brayer, MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:10:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121777</guid> <description>Your day shows how much non-medical, uncompensated work we do.  But this is why PCPs are burning out and unsatisfied and what medical student would freely choose that type of career? The changes in medicine demand that we start delegating other tasks and use our physician training for diagnosing and treating and teaching patients.  Dealing with pharmacies, forms for adoption or generic meds and making appointments for referrals (?) should be done by medical assistants.The entire field of primary care is due for some office workflow re-design.  It is so unsatisfying to be doing paperwork and telling a patient about their normal cholesterol level by phone.  No wonder Primary Care is going the way of the dinosaur.At least you got done at 4:30.  Most of my colleagues are never home before 7 because they are doing all of those tasks after patients are gone.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your day shows how much non-medical, uncompensated work we do.  But this is why PCPs are burning out and unsatisfied and what medical student would freely choose that type of career?<br /> The changes in medicine demand that we start delegating other tasks and use our physician training for diagnosing and treating and teaching patients.  Dealing with pharmacies, forms for adoption or generic meds and making appointments for referrals (?) should be done by medical assistants.</p><p>The entire field of primary care is due for some office workflow re-design.  It is so unsatisfying to be doing paperwork and telling a patient about their normal cholesterol level by phone.  No wonder Primary Care is going the way of the dinosaur.</p><p>At least you got done at 4:30.  Most of my colleagues are never home before 7 because they are doing all of those tasks after patients are gone.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121772</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:45:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121772</guid> <description>jsmith-are you using your NP appropriately?  s/he should be able to generate income for you if you are busy enough with your own schedule.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jsmith-are you using your NP appropriately?  s/he should be able to generate income for you if you are busy enough with your own schedule.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carla Kakutani MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121753</link> <dc:creator>Carla Kakutani MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:58:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121753</guid> <description>I&#039;m biased (being a proud family physician with a varied practice, including inpatient work), but the joy of longitudinal relationships and the challenge of the ever changing state of the art in primary care makes me confident that there will always be a cadre of us that can&#039;t imagine doing anything else. We have an obligation to our patients and to our health system to fight like hell to stay in the picture. We have to change to some degree (be the leader of the medical home and learn to work in a team) in order to improve care and spread ourselves around better, but the basic satisfactions of primary care will stay the same. I have confidence we won&#039;t disappear.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m biased (being a proud family physician with a varied practice, including inpatient work), but the joy of longitudinal relationships and the challenge of the ever changing state of the art in primary care makes me confident that there will always be a cadre of us that can&#8217;t imagine doing anything else. We have an obligation to our patients and to our health system to fight like hell to stay in the picture. We have to change to some degree (be the leader of the medical home and learn to work in a team) in order to improve care and spread ourselves around better, but the basic satisfactions of primary care will stay the same. I have confidence we won&#8217;t disappear.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jsmith</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121750</link> <dc:creator>jsmith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:31:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121750</guid> <description>Molly, I have been a family doc for 20 years  I agree that most of what I see I should not see.  A NP or PA under my supervision should see the pts instead. Someone else should fool around with the computer and the paperwork and so on. Unfortunately,   hiring these folks costs money, money that the American people do not intend to give us PCPs. So we do have to do the scut work instead.  Med students are justifiably aghast and turn tail. Here&#039;s related problem, under-discussed.  In every job I have ever had, my supervisory duties have been in addition to clinical dutes, not in lieu of them.  So, for example, now I consult on all my NPs difficult (for her) cases, but have a full case load myself.  More work, no more money. Could this change? Yes.  Will it change? I doubt it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly, I have been a family doc for 20 years  I agree that most of what I see I should not see.  A NP or PA under my supervision should see the pts instead. Someone else should fool around with the computer and the paperwork and so on. Unfortunately,   hiring these folks costs money, money that the American people do not intend to give us PCPs. So we do have to do the scut work instead.  Med students are justifiably aghast and turn tail.<br /> Here&#8217;s related problem, under-discussed.  In every job I have ever had, my supervisory duties have been in addition to clinical dutes, not in lieu of them.  So, for example, now I consult on all my NPs difficult (for her) cases, but have a full case load myself.  More work, no more money.<br /> Could this change? Yes.  Will it change? I doubt it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mary Schwartz</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121749</link> <dc:creator>Mary Schwartz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:46:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121749</guid> <description>I enjoyed this article (granddaughter, daughter and aunt of primary care doctors) and appreciate the compassion shown.  However, I do think there were several cases and problems that do not require an 11 year trained primary care specialist.  I know that patients want to see YOU but going forward we must wean these patients (tactfully and responsibly) from taking the doctor&#039;s time to taking the time of a PA or the like.  Like school teachers, primary care doctors deserve whopping heaps of $$ but they can help on their side by delegating non-essential doctor care to others whom they supervise.  What do your other readers and doctors think? Sincerely Molly</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this article (granddaughter, daughter and aunt of primary care doctors) and appreciate the compassion shown.  However, I do think there were several cases and problems that do not require an 11 year trained primary care specialist.  I know that patients want to see YOU but going forward we must wean these patients (tactfully and responsibly) from taking the doctor&#8217;s time to taking the time of a PA or the like.  Like school teachers, primary care doctors deserve whopping heaps of $$ but they can help on their side by delegating non-essential doctor care to others whom they supervise.  What do your other readers and doctors think? Sincerely Molly</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jsmith</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121743</link> <dc:creator>jsmith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:42:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121743</guid> <description>It will be interesting to see what happens to primary care (interesting in the way it is interesting to see a landslide or a tsunami).  Clairvoyance is not my field, but my best guess is that we docs  are going to hand it off to nurse practitioners and physician assistants. They will take it, because it will represent an increase in money and prestige for them.  A few family docs will be left, but they&#039;ll gradually retire and the specialty will be pretty much wrapped up. The hardcores that survive will go cash- only and make a good living at that.  Internal medicine will consist of hospitalists and subspecialists.  Americans will get used to this set-up in time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see what happens to primary care (interesting in the way it is interesting to see a landslide or a tsunami).  Clairvoyance is not my field, but my best guess is that we docs  are going to hand it off to nurse practitioners and physician assistants. They will take it, because it will represent an increase in money and prestige for them.  A few family docs will be left, but they&#8217;ll gradually retire and the specialty will be pretty much wrapped up. The hardcores that survive will go cash- only and make a good living at that.  Internal medicine will consist of hospitalists and subspecialists.  Americans will get used to this set-up in time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Leila</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/typical-day-primary-care-doctor.html#comment-121742</link> <dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:25:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41658#comment-121742</guid> <description>Very good article for a future doctor!  Very insightful.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article for a future doctor!  Very insightful.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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