<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Having access to online health information doesn&#8217;t make you a doctor</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:27:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Aestivate99</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121632</link> <dc:creator>Aestivate99</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:57:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121632</guid> <description>It&#039;s likely that no one will see this comment since I&#039;m late to the discussion but I just wondered why no one has asked why highly respectable medical entities have websites with information for consumers like me if it&#039;s not to be used.  Mayo Clinic, Harvard Medical School, NIH, the list goes on.  Maybe docs should help their patients by providing a handout/guide to reputable websites instead of just throwing out the baby with the bath water.  Thank you Dr. Bowdish for pointing out that there just might be a few arrogant docs out there.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s likely that no one will see this comment since I&#8217;m late to the discussion but I just wondered why no one has asked why highly respectable medical entities have websites with information for consumers like me if it&#8217;s not to be used.  Mayo Clinic, Harvard Medical School, NIH, the list goes on.  Maybe docs should help their patients by providing a handout/guide to reputable websites instead of just throwing out the baby with the bath water.  Thank you Dr. Bowdish for pointing out that there just might be a few arrogant docs out there.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MatthewBowdishMD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121602</link> <dc:creator>MatthewBowdishMD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:14:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121602</guid> <description>As a physician, I like when patients come in with information acquired from the internet (or elsewhere, for that matter).  It makes the discussions more interesting and me a better physician considering all options.  Most of the time, these folks are also more engage in their health care decsisions, and make more informed decisions with my input.  Doctors should not feel threatened by such patients.  Any one that does, or takes an arrogant attitude towards invested patients, should be avoided, imho.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a physician, I like when patients come in with information acquired from the internet (or elsewhere, for that matter).  It makes the discussions more interesting and me a better physician considering all options.  Most of the time, these folks are also more engage in their health care decsisions, and make more informed decisions with my input.  Doctors should not feel threatened by such patients.  Any one that does, or takes an arrogant attitude towards invested patients, should be avoided, imho.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: http://healthmedwatch.blogspot.com/</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121284</link> <dc:creator>http://healthmedwatch.blogspot.com/</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:04:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121284</guid> <description>I’ve been a health care consumer for a long time, for small complaints- an upper respiratory infection, a broken toe- and for slightly larger ones, like open heart surgery. And I&#039;ve been an patient advocate for my parents and children. And I tell you this: the clinical and business knowledge accumulated over almost 30 years as a health care professional has been a blessing. With it, I&#039;ve been able to successfully counter many errors visited upon us by the health care industry. To me, the Internet is an adjunct, an ally in my bid to stay alive and to stay (relatively) healthy.That said, make no mistake: I admire good physicians, and I grant them high respect. But I want to work together with my doctors in a collaborative effort to maintain a continuum of care. Anything less seems impossibly careless.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been a health care consumer for a long time, for small complaints- an upper respiratory infection, a broken toe- and for slightly larger ones, like open heart surgery. And I&#8217;ve been an patient advocate for my parents and children. And I tell you this: the clinical and business knowledge accumulated over almost 30 years as a health care professional has been a blessing. With it, I&#8217;ve been able to successfully counter many errors visited upon us by the health care industry. To me, the Internet is an adjunct, an ally in my bid to stay alive and to stay (relatively) healthy.</p><p>That said, make no mistake: I admire good physicians, and I grant them high respect. But I want to work together with my doctors in a collaborative effort to maintain a continuum of care. Anything less seems impossibly careless.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Blake</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121249</link> <dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:30:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121249</guid> <description>A lack of evidence is not evidence to support your claim.  The lack of evidence just means no one has wasted their time and money to study it yet.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lack of evidence is not evidence to support your claim.  The lack of evidence just means no one has wasted their time and money to study it yet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121182</link> <dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:13:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121182</guid> <description>Clearly Skeptikus is convinced that computers represent the only hope for humanity.  Once robots diagnose us, all will be well.  He would be well advised, before programming the robots to diagnose, to understand the diagnostic process.  One wishes him luck on his quest for knowledge, so he and his army of robots can wipe out the medical profession.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly Skeptikus is convinced that computers represent the only hope for humanity.  Once robots diagnose us, all will be well.  He would be well advised, before programming the robots to diagnose, to understand the diagnostic process.  One wishes him luck on his quest for knowledge, so he and his army of robots can wipe out the medical profession.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: skepticus</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121158</link> <dc:creator>skepticus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:07:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121158</guid> <description>Again, evidence people.  Is there any evidence that the internet improved health outcomes or harmed people?  The last two posts wax poetic about medical training--but, of course, it&#039;s not clear the clinical judgment (that mysterious desiderata of medical education) actually improves outcomes.  Has anyone tested doctors&#039; judgments against a computer algorithm?  Or, for that matter, do doctors even test their own clinical judgments and make their scores public.  I.e., do they compare their performances so as to determine who&#039;s &quot;clinical judgment&quot; is better.  One suspects doctors unwillingness to shed light on this &quot;ability&quot; reflects the facts that there&#039;s not much there, there.Internet-enabled medical diagnosis is running that experiment.  If we could abolish the medical prescriptions, the experiment could really take off.  In the meantime, doctors calm down and look at the evidence.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, evidence people.  Is there any evidence that the internet improved health outcomes or harmed people?  The last two posts wax poetic about medical training&#8211;but, of course, it&#8217;s not clear the clinical judgment (that mysterious desiderata of medical education) actually improves outcomes.  Has anyone tested doctors&#8217; judgments against a computer algorithm?  Or, for that matter, do doctors even test their own clinical judgments and make their scores public.  I.e., do they compare their performances so as to determine who&#8217;s &#8220;clinical judgment&#8221; is better.  One suspects doctors unwillingness to shed light on this &#8220;ability&#8221; reflects the facts that there&#8217;s not much there, there.</p><p>Internet-enabled medical diagnosis is running that experiment.  If we could abolish the medical prescriptions, the experiment could really take off.  In the meantime, doctors calm down and look at the evidence.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anon</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121146</link> <dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:26:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121146</guid> <description>A typical patient equipped with the internet is, at best, equal to a second year medical student.  That is not an insult.  A second year medical student typically has extensive undergraduate training in the natural and biological sciences, is intelligent, and has spent two years exhaustively studying human physiology and pathology.  Someone doing internet research may delve to a greater depth into a specific disease and know much more about that particular disease than a second year, or even a non-specialist physician, however, the second year medical student has access to that same information and can pull it up when needed by their iPhone.So, who thinks that second year medical students are qualified to make clinical judgments of any kind, even with all their textbooks laid out in front of them?  Patients are, of course, the most qualified and only ones capable of making personal decisions relating to their own health.  But, accurate clinical judgments assessing a clinical situation and developing an appropriate treatment regimen?  There&#039;s a reason medical students are worth less than mice in a hospital.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A typical patient equipped with the internet is, at best, equal to a second year medical student.  That is not an insult.  A second year medical student typically has extensive undergraduate training in the natural and biological sciences, is intelligent, and has spent two years exhaustively studying human physiology and pathology.  Someone doing internet research may delve to a greater depth into a specific disease and know much more about that particular disease than a second year, or even a non-specialist physician, however, the second year medical student has access to that same information and can pull it up when needed by their iPhone.</p><p>So, who thinks that second year medical students are qualified to make clinical judgments of any kind, even with all their textbooks laid out in front of them?  Patients are, of course, the most qualified and only ones capable of making personal decisions relating to their own health.  But, accurate clinical judgments assessing a clinical situation and developing an appropriate treatment regimen?  There&#8217;s a reason medical students are worth less than mice in a hospital.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Blake</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121138</link> <dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121138</guid> <description>I think people are being way too critical of a perceived insult in this blog post.  He wrote that internet information can be encouraged but that trouble comes when internet information replaces, not supplements, physician advice. Have you ever heard of &quot;student syndrome&quot;?  Medical students being exposed to volumes of information, much of it terrifying, often jump to tremendous and devastating conclusions about their own health.  It then takes the experience of residency and practice to temper this knowledge and understand what is plausible and what is not.  The internet cannot supplant experience, nor do many websites pretend to.  However, many intelligent people, including medical students, don&#039;t yet understand this and can draw incorrect conclusions based on black and white facts, without understanding a &quot;clinical picture.&quot;  These people should then bring their concerns to their physician, a clinician practiced in the art (and not just the science) of medicine, and together they can work on a plan.There is a reason that physicians don&#039;t practice by themselves for a number of years after acquiring all the information of medical school.  Patients should not practice by themselves after gaining information from the internet either.  It&#039;s a team effort.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people are being way too critical of a perceived insult in this blog post.  He wrote that internet information can be encouraged but that trouble comes when internet information replaces, not supplements, physician advice.</p><p>Have you ever heard of &#8220;student syndrome&#8221;?  Medical students being exposed to volumes of information, much of it terrifying, often jump to tremendous and devastating conclusions about their own health.  It then takes the experience of residency and practice to temper this knowledge and understand what is plausible and what is not.  The internet cannot supplant experience, nor do many websites pretend to.  However, many intelligent people, including medical students, don&#8217;t yet understand this and can draw incorrect conclusions based on black and white facts, without understanding a &#8220;clinical picture.&#8221;  These people should then bring their concerns to their physician, a clinician practiced in the art (and not just the science) of medicine, and together they can work on a plan.</p><p>There is a reason that physicians don&#8217;t practice by themselves for a number of years after acquiring all the information of medical school.  Patients should not practice by themselves after gaining information from the internet either.  It&#8217;s a team effort.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Susanne</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121076</link> <dc:creator>Susanne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:36:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121076</guid> <description>Thank you, IVF-MD.Yes, who are you, Dr. Vartabedian, to imply that patients are too stupid to discern the good information from the bad? To me, this smacks of arrogance on your part.I doubt seriously that most folks who go online for health information are doing so because they want to self-medicate. Perhaps Dr. Vartabedian would rather patients blindly accept everything he tells them instead of fully researching issues pertaining to their health. I&#039;d think an informed, educated patient would be welcomed by most docs, but perhaps not in Dr. Vartabedian&#039;s case. And just what if a patient, in the course of online research, was to stumble across a novel therapy for his/her ailment and the Dr. was not aware of it?Yes, there is good and bad information out there on the web. There also are doctors who don&#039;t always give out good or correct information, either, despite their educations and years of practice. Were it not for the web, we would not have been able to research all of the therapies available to treat my mother&#039;s brain cancer. The local oncologist, claiming to be an expert in this area, was anything but. He put my mother on the standard protocol and wanted her to continue it even when the experts at a major university research center ran tests and said it was no longer working. He claimed to have never heard of using the (recently FDA-approved) drug Avastin for treating her disease.I think Dr. Vartabedian needs to get off his high horse and rethink his position on patients researching health information on the web. Most who do are just looking for answers and want to be prepared when meeting with their healthcare providers. What is so wrong about that?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, IVF-MD.</p><p>Yes, who are you, Dr. Vartabedian, to imply that patients are too stupid to discern the good information from the bad? To me, this smacks of arrogance on your part.</p><p>I doubt seriously that most folks who go online for health information are doing so because they want to self-medicate. Perhaps Dr. Vartabedian would rather patients blindly accept everything he tells them instead of fully researching issues pertaining to their health. I&#8217;d think an informed, educated patient would be welcomed by most docs, but perhaps not in Dr. Vartabedian&#8217;s case. And just what if a patient, in the course of online research, was to stumble across a novel therapy for his/her ailment and the Dr. was not aware of it?</p><p>Yes, there is good and bad information out there on the web. There also are doctors who don&#8217;t always give out good or correct information, either, despite their educations and years of practice. Were it not for the web, we would not have been able to research all of the therapies available to treat my mother&#8217;s brain cancer. The local oncologist, claiming to be an expert in this area, was anything but. He put my mother on the standard protocol and wanted her to continue it even when the experts at a major university research center ran tests and said it was no longer working. He claimed to have never heard of using the (recently FDA-approved) drug Avastin for treating her disease.</p><p>I think Dr. Vartabedian needs to get off his high horse and rethink his position on patients researching health information on the web. Most who do are just looking for answers and want to be prepared when meeting with their healthcare providers. What is so wrong about that?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/access-online-health-information-doctor.html#comment-121061</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:41:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41470#comment-121061</guid> <description>The less you know, the more you think you know.The more you know, the more you realize how less you know.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The less you know, the more you think you know.</p><p>The more you know, the more you realize how less you know.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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