<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Can less aggressive cancer screening recommendations be better for patients?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:14:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Lee</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119615</link> <dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:22:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119615</guid> <description>Most countries don&#039;t do annual exams and we&#039;re all doing fine... It&#039;s only in mid-life that we might see the doctor every year for blood work and a BP test. I think these annual exams lead to excessive testing and over-treatment. I know US women have more pap smears and cervical biopsies than any other women in the world. An American woman in her 60&#039;s might have had 50+ pap smears by now and probably a biopsy or LEEP....whereas in my country, she&#039;d be offered 5 to 7 tests in total over her lifetime and no routine gyn exams at all. We have the lowest rates of cervical cancer in the world and send far fewer women for biopsies. (Finland) Less is definitely more with cancer screening. Do away with your annual exams and you&#039;ll all be a lot healthier.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most countries don&#8217;t do annual exams and we&#8217;re all doing fine&#8230;<br /> It&#8217;s only in mid-life that we might see the doctor every year for blood work and a BP test.<br /> I think these annual exams lead to excessive testing and over-treatment. I know US women have more pap smears and cervical biopsies than any other women in the world.<br /> An American woman in her 60&#8242;s might have had 50+ pap smears by now and probably a biopsy or LEEP&#8230;.whereas in my country, she&#8217;d be offered 5 to 7 tests in total over her lifetime and no routine gyn exams at all.<br /> We have the lowest rates of cervical cancer in the world and send far fewer women for biopsies. (Finland)<br /> Less is definitely more with cancer screening.<br /> Do away with your annual exams and you&#8217;ll all be a lot healthier.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JT</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119614</link> <dc:creator>JT</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:14:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119614</guid> <description>&quot;the Pap smear, the screening test for cancer of the cervix, has been an unalloyed bright spot in the war against cancer. The test is inexpensive and reliable, the follow up test to actually diagnose cancer (biopsies of the cervix) is harmless, and very few if any women are treated unnecessarily. Screening for cervical cancer saves many lives and has few long term side effects&quot;.I totally disagree with this statement. The pap smear is an unreliable test that sends many healthy women for biopsies. Biopsies are not things to be taken lightly - they can leave women with psychological problems/pyschosexual issues, infertility, problems during pregnancy and cause pre-term labor. These are things that are well-documented and that is why the guidelines for pap smears have finally been revised - to contain the harm to healthy women. Writing off these procedures as minor is hard to understand - I doubt many women would agree with you.The really sad thing is that almost all of these biopsies are unnecessary - only a tiny number of women are actually helped by cervical screening while thousands of women go through the anguish of a false postive and unnecessary biopsies. Women have been pushed, pressured and coerced into cervical screening, with no risk information and regardless of their risk profile, to their detriment. Doctors have always ignored the need to obtain informed consent. The risk of this cancer has always been exaggerated and the benefits of the test over-stated... Sure a few women are helped, but at what cost to healthy women?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Pap smear, the screening test for cancer of the cervix, has been an unalloyed bright spot in the war against cancer. The test is inexpensive and reliable, the follow up test to actually diagnose cancer (biopsies of the cervix) is harmless, and very few if any women are treated unnecessarily. Screening for cervical cancer saves many lives and has few long term side effects&#8221;.</p><p>I totally disagree with this statement.<br /> The pap smear is an unreliable test that sends many healthy women for biopsies. Biopsies are not things to be taken lightly &#8211; they can leave women with psychological problems/pyschosexual issues, infertility, problems during pregnancy and cause pre-term labor. These are things that are well-documented and that is why the guidelines for pap smears have finally been revised &#8211; to contain the harm to healthy women.<br /> Writing off these procedures as minor is hard to understand &#8211; I doubt many women would agree with you.</p><p>The really sad thing is that almost all of these biopsies are unnecessary &#8211; only a tiny number of women are actually helped by cervical screening while thousands of women go through the anguish of a false postive and unnecessary biopsies.<br /> Women have been pushed, pressured and coerced into cervical screening, with no risk information and regardless of their risk profile, to their detriment. Doctors have always ignored the need to obtain informed consent.<br /> The risk of this cancer has always been exaggerated and the benefits of the test over-stated&#8230;<br /> Sure a few women are helped, but at what cost to healthy women?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cancer surgeon</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119568</link> <dc:creator>Cancer surgeon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:15:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119568</guid> <description>If we continue going down this road, it is not to far-fetched that the annual physical and primary care physicians will become obsolete since most of what is done at the annual physical is &quot;screening&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we continue going down this road, it is not to far-fetched that the annual physical and primary care physicians will become obsolete since most of what is done at the annual physical is &#8220;screening&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Amy Tuteur, MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119555</link> <dc:creator>Amy Tuteur, MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:00:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119555</guid> <description>&quot;The task force included no oncologists on a panel&quot;That isn&#039;t a requirement. You don&#039;t need to be an oncologist to analyze the data.I&#039;m not claiming that there is no room for disagreement. There is no doubt about what the data shows, but there is doubt about how to act on it. My point, though, is that this is not some sort of plot to deny care or deny coverage. This is precisely where the scientific evidence leads.The greatest strength of medicine is that it changes in response to new information. We have new information. The recommendations changed. That&#039;s what&#039;s supposed to happen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The task force included no oncologists on a panel&#8221;</p><p>That isn&#8217;t a requirement. You don&#8217;t need to be an oncologist to analyze the data.</p><p>I&#8217;m not claiming that there is no room for disagreement. There is no doubt about what the data shows, but there is doubt about how to act on it. My point, though, is that this is not some sort of plot to deny care or deny coverage. This is precisely where the scientific evidence leads.</p><p>The greatest strength of medicine is that it changes in response to new information. We have new information. The recommendations changed. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s supposed to happen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doc99</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119548</link> <dc:creator>Doc99</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:36:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119548</guid> <description>Pardon the the typo ... oncologists.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the the typo &#8230; oncologists.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doc99</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119545</link> <dc:creator>Doc99</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:34:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119545</guid> <description>The task force included no onologists on a panel evaluating screening for cancer. Curious ... as is the timing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The task force included no onologists on a panel evaluating screening for cancer. Curious &#8230; as is the timing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Diora</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119532</link> <dc:creator>Diora</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:45:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119532</guid> <description>Excellent explanation.Doc99 - there are a number of things that USPSTF has &quot;against&quot; recommendation e.g. EKJ for every physical, yet doctors do it all the time and insurance pays for it. In fact there was a study in NEJM a couple of years ago that showed that over 50% of annual physicals include non-recommended tests. There is absolutely no reason to think this recommendations would lead to denial of coverage. What it may lead to is more honest discussions and more people being aware that more screening is not necessarily better.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent explanation.</p><p>Doc99 &#8211; there are a number of things that USPSTF has &#8220;against&#8221; recommendation e.g. EKJ for every physical, yet doctors do it all the time and insurance pays for it. In fact there was a study in NEJM a couple of years ago that showed that over 50% of annual physicals include non-recommended tests. There is absolutely no reason to think this recommendations would lead to denial of coverage. What it may lead to is more honest discussions and more people being aware that more screening is not necessarily better.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jordan</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119518</link> <dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119518</guid> <description>More aggressive screening may be better for some yet lethal for others.  The devil&#039;s is in the details.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More aggressive screening may be better for some yet lethal for others.  The devil&#8217;s is in the details.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Amy Tuteur, MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119515</link> <dc:creator>Amy Tuteur, MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119515</guid> <description>Doc99:&quot;The danger here is that this panel’s conclusions will inevitably be the rationale for denial of coverage.&quot;But why shouldn&#039;t they deny coverage it doesn&#039;t save many lives?All screening guidelines are necessarily arbitrary. Though people claim to be concerned about dropping the recommendation for yearly mammograms in women aged 40-49, they aren&#039;t clamoring that the recommendations should be extended to yearly mammograms for women aged 30-39? If people believe, as they claim that they do, that it is worth any amount of money to save one life, they should be insisting on screening for women aged 30-39 since breast cancer can occur in that group, too.Moreover, there&#039;s nothing special about whole numbers that end in 0. Why not recommend yearly screening women aged 28-39? For that matter, there’s nothing special about yearly intervals. Why aren&#039;t they recommending screening for all women every 6 months instead of every 12 months? Surely we could save a few more lives that way, tooUnless we plan to screen all women all the time, we must make guidelines, and those guidelines will necessarily mean that some women will not have their cancer diagnosed as early as technically possible. That doesn&#039;t mean that we shouldn&#039;t have guidelines. And those guidelines must be determined by what the scientific evidence shows us.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc99:</p><p>&#8220;The danger here is that this panel’s conclusions will inevitably be the rationale for denial of coverage.&#8221;</p><p>But why shouldn&#8217;t they deny coverage it doesn&#8217;t save many lives?</p><p>All screening guidelines are necessarily arbitrary. Though people claim to be concerned about dropping the recommendation for yearly mammograms in women aged 40-49, they aren&#8217;t clamoring that the recommendations should be extended to yearly mammograms for women aged 30-39? If people believe, as they claim that they do, that it is worth any amount of money to save one life, they should be insisting on screening for women aged 30-39 since breast cancer can occur in that group, too.</p><p>Moreover, there&#8217;s nothing special about whole numbers that end in 0. Why not recommend yearly screening women aged 28-39? For that matter, there’s nothing special about yearly intervals. Why aren&#8217;t they recommending screening for all women every 6 months instead of every 12 months? Surely we could save a few more lives that way, too</p><p>Unless we plan to screen all women all the time, we must make guidelines, and those guidelines will necessarily mean that some women will not have their cancer diagnosed as early as technically possible. That doesn&#8217;t mean that we shouldn&#8217;t have guidelines. And those guidelines must be determined by what the scientific evidence shows us.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doc99</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/aggressive-cancer-screening-recommendations-patients.html#comment-119503</link> <dc:creator>Doc99</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:17:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=41016#comment-119503</guid> <description>Less aggressive screening may be better for some yet lethal for others. The devil&#039;s in the details. The danger here is that this panel&#039;s conclusions will inevitably be the rationale for denial of coverage.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less aggressive screening may be better for some yet lethal for others. The devil&#8217;s in the details. The danger here is that this panel&#8217;s conclusions will inevitably be the rationale for denial of coverage.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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