<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Rising health care costs and the tax preference for employer-based health insurance</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:00:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111934</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:13:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111934</guid> <description>I have incredibly mixed emotions about the patient second-guessing the doctor.On the one hand, we &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; all take charge of our own health and be an active participant in our health care and medical decisions.  We &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; educate ourselves, to a much greater extent than most now do, on our those aspects of our health that would motivate us to see our doctor.On the other hand, I did not go to medical school.  I did not put in those long four years plus additional years of internship and residency.  I do not claim to have the breadth and depth of either knowledge &lt;i&gt;or&lt;/i&gt; practical experience in observing or diagnosing illness or injury nor do I have the knowledge or experience in prescribing testing or treatment necessary to feel entirely comfortable telling my doctor &quot;No, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re right. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s necessary.&quot;.  As proficient as I am at web search and research, I would not stack that up against my family practitioner&#039;s knowledge and experience.And I can&#039;t even imagine the litigation and defensive positioning that would (will) blossom (well beyond a herd of rhinos, I suspect), as more and more patients begin self-diagnosing and self-prescribing treatment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have incredibly mixed emotions about the patient second-guessing the doctor.</p><p>On the one hand, we <i>should</i> all take charge of our own health and be an active participant in our health care and medical decisions.  We <i>should</i> educate ourselves, to a much greater extent than most now do, on our those aspects of our health that would motivate us to see our doctor.</p><p>On the other hand, I did not go to medical school.  I did not put in those long four years plus additional years of internship and residency.  I do not claim to have the breadth and depth of either knowledge <i>or</i> practical experience in observing or diagnosing illness or injury nor do I have the knowledge or experience in prescribing testing or treatment necessary to feel entirely comfortable telling my doctor &#8220;No, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re right. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s necessary.&#8221;.  As proficient as I am at web search and research, I would not stack that up against my family practitioner&#8217;s knowledge and experience.</p><p>And I can&#8217;t even imagine the litigation and defensive positioning that would (will) blossom (well beyond a herd of rhinos, I suspect), as more and more patients begin self-diagnosing and self-prescribing treatment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: B J</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111790</link> <dc:creator>B J</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:49:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111790</guid> <description>Here is my prespective as a person who recently changed jobs from a hospital employer that offered a very low deductible plan that would pay 100% of tests/procedures/physician services/medications as long as the services were at the hospital to a small employer with a large deductible for everything. I have dropped the back specialist I saw for my herniated discs, will only do a pap every three years siine I have no risk factors and will skip the every six months visit to the dermatologist. I will instead go to a free skin screening that the local hospital offers. I have dropped every medicine I used to take but synthroid and am doing fine. I guess I didn&#039;t really need them after all. My husband signed up for health care through the veteran&#039;s administration, soemthing he was guaranteed back in 1982, only to find out he may not because of our income. Fortunately he did qualify, at least for this year. All of his meds were changed to generic and one was discontinued. Only time will tell how this will work out. He has tried generic Zocor before only to have to go back on Lipitor. He was also informed he would need a dilated exam every two years, but I think the ADA recommends this procedure every year. This is how the goverment makes decisions for you when they run health care. If necessary, we will pay for what he needs to be healthy. So, I have decided to cut medical care I didn&#039;t really need anyway because I don&#039;t want to pay for it and the government decided to cut things my husband may need. I think this illustrates how one will overuse services when they do not have to pay for them and on the other hand may not get everything they need when the government is making the decisions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my prespective as a person who recently changed jobs from a hospital employer that offered a very low deductible plan that would pay 100% of tests/procedures/physician services/medications as long as the services were at the hospital to a small employer with a large deductible for everything.<br /> I have dropped the back specialist I saw for my herniated discs, will only do a pap every three years siine I have no risk factors and will skip the every six months visit to the dermatologist. I will instead go to a free skin screening that the local hospital offers. I have dropped every medicine I used to take but synthroid and am doing fine. I guess I didn&#8217;t really need them after all.<br /> My husband signed up for health care through the veteran&#8217;s administration, soemthing he was guaranteed back in 1982, only to find out he may not because of our income. Fortunately he did qualify, at least for this year. All of his meds were changed to generic and one was discontinued. Only time will tell how this will work out. He has tried generic Zocor before only to have to go back on Lipitor. He was also informed he would need a dilated exam every two years, but I think the ADA recommends this procedure every year. This is how the goverment makes decisions for you when they run health care. If necessary, we will pay for what he needs to be healthy.<br /> So, I have decided to cut medical care I didn&#8217;t really need anyway because I don&#8217;t want to pay for it and the government decided to cut things my husband may need.<br /> I think this illustrates how one will overuse services when they do not have to pay for them and on the other hand may not get everything they need when the government is making the decisions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: k</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111730</link> <dc:creator>k</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:54:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111730</guid> <description>I went to a cash-only IM practice and was very happy with it. Unfortunately, I had to move and haven&#039;t found a comparable practice where I live now.If the cash-only model were more widely adopted by American physicians, I hope the outcomes would include the end of ludicrous bills and ridiculous &quot;negotiated rates&quot;. It makes too much sense to cut to the chase by taking the insurance company out of the process and making the cost of health care more transparent.WRT &quot;chronic disease&quot; - the assumption that pains me is that most, if not all, can be avoided if the pt eats healthily, exercises, etc.There are many chronic conditions that do not fit into the &quot;eat healthy, exercise, quit smoking&quot; category, such as allergies, asthma, mental illness, etc. People with this kind of chronic condition still get thrown under the bus without some mechanism for making prescriptions affordable. Even if those in this group were pretty vigilant about generic vs brand medications, there are not always acceptable substitutes.John Bierma has some good comments regarding &quot;futile care&quot;. Unfortunately, it seems that cogent public discussion of this topic fuels the anti-reformers&#039; fire.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to a cash-only IM practice and was very happy with it. Unfortunately, I had to move and haven&#8217;t found a comparable practice where I live now.</p><p>If the cash-only model were more widely adopted by American physicians, I hope the outcomes would include the end of ludicrous bills and ridiculous &#8220;negotiated rates&#8221;. It makes too much sense to cut to the chase by taking the insurance company out of the process and making the cost of health care more transparent.</p><p>WRT &#8220;chronic disease&#8221; &#8211; the assumption that pains me is that most, if not all, can be avoided if the pt eats healthily, exercises, etc.</p><p>There are many chronic conditions that do not fit into the &#8220;eat healthy, exercise, quit smoking&#8221; category, such as allergies, asthma, mental illness, etc. People with this kind of chronic condition still get thrown under the bus without some mechanism for making prescriptions affordable. Even if those in this group were pretty vigilant about generic vs brand medications, there are not always acceptable substitutes.</p><p>John Bierma has some good comments regarding &#8220;futile care&#8221;. Unfortunately, it seems that cogent public discussion of this topic fuels the anti-reformers&#8217; fire.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John Bierma</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111573</link> <dc:creator>John Bierma</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111573</guid> <description>I have been to the Senate Finance committee and the HELP Senate Committee web pages and listened to and read most of the testimony.  The biggest driver of increasing health care cost is the poor way we manage chronic disease and end of life care.  Look at any state Mediaid budget and most of the cost is for skilled nursing home care and end of life hospital care.  Most of these people could be living and dying at home at a cost of $9000 per year verse a minimum $60,000 to $2,000,000 for care in a nursing home and a hospital. CMS has some anti-technology people in control who refuse to pay for telemedicine in urban areas for either at telehealth physician house calls or for home health telemonitoring by nurses.  They are hung up on requiring face to face physical visits pay a person, when 99% of the time the patient is never touched by the provider.  All information is obtained through observation, questions and electronic monitors  Yes, care for children can be improved, but that is not where the problems are.  JB</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been to the Senate Finance committee and the HELP Senate Committee web pages and listened to and read most of the testimony.  The biggest driver of increasing health care cost is the poor way we manage chronic disease and end of life care.  Look at any state Mediaid budget and most of the cost is for skilled nursing home care and end of life hospital care.  Most of these people could be living and dying at home at a cost of $9000 per year verse a minimum $60,000 to $2,000,000 for care in a nursing home and a hospital. CMS has some anti-technology people in control who refuse to pay for telemedicine in urban areas for either at telehealth physician house calls or for home health telemonitoring by nurses.  They are hung up on requiring face to face physical visits pay a person, when 99% of the time the patient is never touched by the provider.  All information is obtained through observation, questions and electronic monitors  Yes, care for children can be improved, but that is not where the problems are.  JB</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111466</link> <dc:creator>David</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:07:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111466</guid> <description>Kim said &quot;’m not sure why the patient — that would be the person in the transaction WITHOUT medical training — should be the one to question whether any given test or treatment is necessary.&quot;Actually that is EXACTLY who should be doing so.  Ultimately we are all responsible for ourselves - the doctor is just an adviser.  So, if you&#039;re electrician says you should probably upgrade the wiring in your home - you can choose to ignore him, to get another opinion, or to research the matter.  The same with your car, career, or child.  The same with the lawyer who gives you advice.  You are in control.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim said &#8220;’m not sure why the patient — that would be the person in the transaction WITHOUT medical training — should be the one to question whether any given test or treatment is necessary.&#8221;</p><p>Actually that is EXACTLY who should be doing so.  Ultimately we are all responsible for ourselves &#8211; the doctor is just an adviser.  So, if you&#8217;re electrician says you should probably upgrade the wiring in your home &#8211; you can choose to ignore him, to get another opinion, or to research the matter.  The same with your car, career, or child.  The same with the lawyer who gives you advice.  You are in control.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Diana Lee</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111461</link> <dc:creator>Diana Lee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:48:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111461</guid> <description>This is an excellent post. The point you make seems to be lost among the health care reform discussions. I have found there seems to be a preference among some physicians to prescribe whatever the newest drug is for X condition. As someone who is well insured, but treating a number of chronic conditions, I have to be careful about accepting a prescription for a name brand drug without making sure there isn&#039;t a generic that works just as well. And I don&#039;t pay anything close to the full cost of my medications.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post. The point you make seems to be lost among the health care reform discussions. I have found there seems to be a preference among some physicians to prescribe whatever the newest drug is for X condition. As someone who is well insured, but treating a number of chronic conditions, I have to be careful about accepting a prescription for a name brand drug without making sure there isn&#8217;t a generic that works just as well. And I don&#8217;t pay anything close to the full cost of my medications.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kim</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111440</link> <dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:17:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111440</guid> <description>I&#039;m not sure why the patient -- that would be the person in the transaction WITHOUT medical training -- should be the one to question whether any given test or treatment is necessary. I recognize that all too often we are put into that situation (I, too, have been taken for an unnecessary MRI that I could&#039;ve prevented with some appropriate research), but it seems more appropriate to me for the physician to guide that decision.For myself I am in favor of having the option to negotiate directly with my providers directly for routine preventative care; as a person with small-company insurance it would definitely be preferable to the balance bill surprise. On the other hand, I would be concerned that this would drive people to neglect the sort of care that will prevent larger bills later on.I also question how much these expenses really drive the overall problem. Intuitively, healthy people with inappropriate allergy meds sure seems like small potatoes compared to inappropriate ER utilization, insurance company overhead, and so on, but I certainly haven&#039;t seen numbers. Has the author of this piece?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why the patient &#8212; that would be the person in the transaction WITHOUT medical training &#8212; should be the one to question whether any given test or treatment is necessary. I recognize that all too often we are put into that situation (I, too, have been taken for an unnecessary MRI that I could&#8217;ve prevented with some appropriate research), but it seems more appropriate to me for the physician to guide that decision.</p><p>For myself I am in favor of having the option to negotiate directly with my providers directly for routine preventative care; as a person with small-company insurance it would definitely be preferable to the balance bill surprise. On the other hand, I would be concerned that this would drive people to neglect the sort of care that will prevent larger bills later on.</p><p>I also question how much these expenses really drive the overall problem. Intuitively, healthy people with inappropriate allergy meds sure seems like small potatoes compared to inappropriate ER utilization, insurance company overhead, and so on, but I certainly haven&#8217;t seen numbers. Has the author of this piece?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Being Frugal</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111438</link> <dc:creator>Being Frugal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:14:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111438</guid> <description>&quot;Chronic disease patients will have a low cost catastrophic plan, and a higher cost supplemental plan.&quot;So an insurance company, knowing that I will probably spend more than $5000 in a year for medical expenses, is going to give me an affordable premium?  How many &quot;less&quot; chronically ill are they going to recruit to offset what I use?    Won&#039;t they increase the premiums?   Why would anyone buy an expensive supplemental policy for a chronic disease when paying the premiums is more than what they would pay out of pocket for those services?  What about those who need more care than I?  Are my premiums going to be even higher?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Chronic disease patients will have a low cost catastrophic plan, and a higher cost supplemental plan.&#8221;</p><p>So an insurance company, knowing that I will probably spend more than $5000 in a year for medical expenses, is going to give me an affordable premium?  How many &#8220;less&#8221; chronically ill are they going to recruit to offset what I use?    Won&#8217;t they increase the premiums?   Why would anyone buy an expensive supplemental policy for a chronic disease when paying the premiums is more than what they would pay out of pocket for those services?  What about those who need more care than I?  Are my premiums going to be even higher?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No-Surprise Healthcare Pricing</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111435</link> <dc:creator>No-Surprise Healthcare Pricing</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:38:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111435</guid> <description>Real healthcare reform.  Great perspective.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real healthcare reform.  Great perspective.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: irb123</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/rising-health-care-costs-tax-preference-employerbased-health-insurance.html#comment-111431</link> <dc:creator>irb123</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:33:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39993#comment-111431</guid> <description>I agree. I don&#039;t understand why we pay for insurance for office visits. Most people need insurance against catastrophic care, specialist procedures and expensive necessary testing. But preventative care is needed as well, and as the article above points out people need a reorganizing of their priorities.While I agree with most of the points made in the article, I see that there is no guarantee that decoupling the tax benefit for employer healthcare, and putting patients in charge of their health dollars will suddenly make them pay for the needed preventative care.Therefore, these patients who choose less substantial health care plans which require less $ per mo, but more cash for services rendered, must be &quot;forced&quot; into getting the needed preventative care that they don&#039;t want to spend out of pocket. People will only spend on something that they see as having value, and unfortunately, the benefits of preventative care are so delayed that most people won&#039;t pay for them unless required.I have blogged about why employer tax subsidies are an unfair subsidy to the wealthy: http://drbrenner.blogspot.com/2009/07/truth-about-controversy-surrounding_12.htmlI personally think we should phase out the employer tax subsidies, require employers to give the same gross $ amounts in salary or in health care accounts so the employee only loses the tax break, not the gross dollar amount. Then everyone in the country is required to have a basic minimum of coverage: catastrophic plus standard preventative care for their age bracket (e.g. child &#039;well-baby&#039; visits, and colonoscopies for those in their 40s). Everything else is out-of-pocket or requires a supplemental policy. Basic policies for most people will be inexpensive. Thus they can afford any cash outlays that are required. Chronic disease patients will have a low cost catastrophic plan, and a higher cost supplemental plan. Thus patients who are currently healthy have an impetus to stay that way so they never require these expensive high-cost supplemental plans.And to help keep costs down on supplemental plans, pts will be encouraged through premium rebates, to be &quot;healthy&quot; chronic disease pts (e.g. Diabetics that keep the HBA1C in a normal range get a discount, participating in age/medical problem appropriate exercise programs get you a discount).Hospital costs and expensive testing are the big ticket items in insurance anyway. So the risk pool won&#039;t be destroyed by young people moving to catastrophic plans since the whole population will all be have these plans. If you simply have a choice of catastrophic vs comprehensive, young healthy people choose the cheaper catastrophic plan and less healthy, or chronic disease pts choose comprehensive therefore destroying the risk pool.My suggestion above allows both to coexist without a destruction of the risk pool, while allowing people to actually know what they spend.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I don&#8217;t understand why we pay for insurance for office visits. Most people need insurance against catastrophic care, specialist procedures and expensive necessary testing. But preventative care is needed as well, and as the article above points out people need a reorganizing of their priorities.</p><p>While I agree with most of the points made in the article, I see that there is no guarantee that decoupling the tax benefit for employer healthcare, and putting patients in charge of their health dollars will suddenly make them pay for the needed preventative care.</p><p>Therefore, these patients who choose less substantial health care plans which require less $ per mo, but more cash for services rendered, must be &#8220;forced&#8221; into getting the needed preventative care that they don&#8217;t want to spend out of pocket. People will only spend on something that they see as having value, and unfortunately, the benefits of preventative care are so delayed that most people won&#8217;t pay for them unless required.</p><p>I have blogged about why employer tax subsidies are an unfair subsidy to the wealthy: <a href="http://drbrenner.blogspot.com/2009/07/truth-about-controversy-surrounding_12.html" rel="nofollow">http://drbrenner.blogspot.com/2009/07/truth-about-controversy-surrounding_12.html</a></p><p>I personally think we should phase out the employer tax subsidies, require employers to give the same gross $ amounts in salary or in health care accounts so the employee only loses the tax break, not the gross dollar amount. Then everyone in the country is required to have a basic minimum of coverage: catastrophic plus standard preventative care for their age bracket (e.g. child &#8216;well-baby&#8217; visits, and colonoscopies for those in their 40s). Everything else is out-of-pocket or requires a supplemental policy. Basic policies for most people will be inexpensive. Thus they can afford any cash outlays that are required. Chronic disease patients will have a low cost catastrophic plan, and a higher cost supplemental plan. Thus patients who are currently healthy have an impetus to stay that way so they never require these expensive high-cost supplemental plans.</p><p>And to help keep costs down on supplemental plans, pts will be encouraged through premium rebates, to be &#8220;healthy&#8221; chronic disease pts (e.g. Diabetics that keep the HBA1C in a normal range get a discount, participating in age/medical problem appropriate exercise programs get you a discount).</p><p>Hospital costs and expensive testing are the big ticket items in insurance anyway. So the risk pool won&#8217;t be destroyed by young people moving to catastrophic plans since the whole population will all be have these plans. If you simply have a choice of catastrophic vs comprehensive, young healthy people choose the cheaper catastrophic plan and less healthy, or chronic disease pts choose comprehensive therefore destroying the risk pool.</p><p>My suggestion above allows both to coexist without a destruction of the risk pool, while allowing people to actually know what they spend.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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