<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Poll: Should doctors be compensated for responding to in-flight medical emergencies?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:57:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: andrew</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109973</link> <dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:43:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109973</guid> <description>I&#039;m a physician and have helped take care of 2 patients on board planes before.  One literally fell into my lap as he passed out.I didn&#039;t hesitate to treat either of them, but I can clearly appreciate how some would be hesitant.  The resources on a plane are very limited compared to even the most basic clinic or ER.  The patient&#039;s can be seriously ill.  The possibility for a &quot;poor outcome&quot; is relatively high.  My understanding is, that as a physician, I&#039;m held to a higher standard than a layperson.  I&#039;m not sure what the higher standard is though.I&#039;m sure there have been lawsuits regarding the care given at accident scenes or on airplanes.  I&#039;m not entirely sure if my current malpractice would even cover me in such a case, as I&#039;m practicing medicine outside of my usual location and scope of service.Getting involved in a lawsuit without my med mal covering would be a true disaster.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a physician and have helped take care of 2 patients on board planes before.  One literally fell into my lap as he passed out.</p><p>I didn&#8217;t hesitate to treat either of them, but I can clearly appreciate how some would be hesitant.  The resources on a plane are very limited compared to even the most basic clinic or ER.  The patient&#8217;s can be seriously ill.  The possibility for a &#8220;poor outcome&#8221; is relatively high.  My understanding is, that as a physician, I&#8217;m held to a higher standard than a layperson.  I&#8217;m not sure what the higher standard is though.</p><p>I&#8217;m sure there have been lawsuits regarding the care given at accident scenes or on airplanes.  I&#8217;m not entirely sure if my current malpractice would even cover me in such a case, as I&#8217;m practicing medicine outside of my usual location and scope of service.</p><p>Getting involved in a lawsuit without my med mal covering would be a true disaster.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr. Grumpy</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109893</link> <dc:creator>Dr. Grumpy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:07:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109893</guid> <description>I woudn&#039;t expect to be compensated under this circumstance, anymore then I would for helping a stranger on the street stand back up after they&#039;d just tripped and fallen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I woudn&#8217;t expect to be compensated under this circumstance, anymore then I would for helping a stranger on the street stand back up after they&#8217;d just tripped and fallen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: hawk</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109780</link> <dc:creator>hawk</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:54:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109780</guid> <description>GS laws dont apply anymore.  look at california and the recent supreme court ruling. (and before matt chimes in with his usual pro-lawyer BS, yes I have read it).The fact is, as a trained ER doc, my malpractice ONLY applied to facilities I am licensed in, and only to patients who are registered to be there.  IE, I am only covered if it is a patient seen in the normal course of my duties, at the facility where I normally work.So, having thought about this for years, I WILL NOT stop and render assistance, be it on an airplane, on a boat, in a car, or just walking across the street. I agree with the post above that protecting myself and my family is of paramount importance, especially in our litigious times.  Sorry, but the fact is that your life, health and welfare means less to me that that of me and mine.  and if using my specialized skills in less than ideal circumstances could possibly result in a lawsuit, then forget it.Do I feel bad about this, yes, but I look at is this way; you as the american public brought it on yourself when you started to sue for everything.the exceptions, when I am flying overseas I will help, but only non-americans. this is because the lawsuit mentality does not really apply to anyone except for thos brought up in our culture.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS laws dont apply anymore.  look at california and the recent supreme court ruling. (and before matt chimes in with his usual pro-lawyer BS, yes I have read it).</p><p>The fact is, as a trained ER doc, my malpractice ONLY applied to facilities I am licensed in, and only to patients who are registered to be there.  IE, I am only covered if it is a patient seen in the normal course of my duties, at the facility where I normally work.</p><p>So, having thought about this for years, I WILL NOT stop and render assistance, be it on an airplane, on a boat, in a car, or just walking across the street. I agree with the post above that protecting myself and my family is of paramount importance, especially in our litigious times.  Sorry, but the fact is that your life, health and welfare means less to me that that of me and mine.  and if using my specialized skills in less than ideal circumstances could possibly result in a lawsuit, then forget it.</p><p>Do I feel bad about this, yes, but I look at is this way; you as the american public brought it on yourself when you started to sue for everything.</p><p>the exceptions, when I am flying overseas I will help, but only non-americans. this is because the lawsuit mentality does not really apply to anyone except for thos brought up in our culture.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cliff</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109713</link> <dc:creator>cliff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:27:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109713</guid> <description>Asa general proposition:Good Samaritan rules don&#039;t apply for professionals.  Professionals acting in the area of their  avocation are held to a higher standard.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asa general proposition:Good Samaritan rules don&#8217;t apply for professionals.  Professionals acting in the area of their  avocation are held to a higher standard.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ninguem</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109711</link> <dc:creator>ninguem</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:16:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109711</guid> <description>Why would you expect compensation? If you get some compensation, the Good Samaritan rules won&#039;t apply. Last time I had to render assistance, I was hoping I&#039;d at least get an attaboy letter from the airline. No such luck. I got a free drink though, when it was all over. Some little old lady in the next seat thought the whole thing was high drama, overcome with emotion, then tried to fix me up with her daughter.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you expect compensation? If you get some compensation, the Good Samaritan rules won&#8217;t apply. Last time I had to render assistance, I was hoping I&#8217;d at least get an attaboy letter from the airline. No such luck. I got a free drink though, when it was all over. Some little old lady in the next seat thought the whole thing was high drama, overcome with emotion, then tried to fix me up with her daughter.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109617</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:29:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109617</guid> <description>What if you are a radiologist or a pathologist who hasn&#039;t seen a patient for 20 years? Do you want me to take care of your loved one?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you are a radiologist or a pathologist who hasn&#8217;t seen a patient for 20 years? Do you want me to take care of your loved one?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nuclear Fire</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109600</link> <dc:creator>Nuclear Fire</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:08:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109600</guid> <description>Someone mentioned that we docs are protected by a GS law if we are practicing within the scope of our practice.  Since I&#039;m not an ER doc, I doubt I&#039;d ever be practicing within the scope of my practice not to mention having never been trained to do medicine in the difficult setting of a plane with no medical equipment.  I think a reasonable &quot;reward&quot; would be not to get sued for trying to help out.  Until then...Doctor?  No, I&#039;m just a professional healthcare consultant.  Sorry.I can tell from all the nasty comments about greedy doctors not to rely on the gratitude of strangers to protect me from getting sued.  I may have a professional/moral obligation but my obligation to protect my family and my own health is more important to me.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone mentioned that we docs are protected by a GS law if we are practicing within the scope of our practice.  Since I&#8217;m not an ER doc, I doubt I&#8217;d ever be practicing within the scope of my practice not to mention having never been trained to do medicine in the difficult setting of a plane with no medical equipment.  I think a reasonable &#8220;reward&#8221; would be not to get sued for trying to help out.  Until then&#8230;</p><p>Doctor?  No, I&#8217;m just a professional healthcare consultant.  Sorry.</p><p>I can tell from all the nasty comments about greedy doctors not to rely on the gratitude of strangers to protect me from getting sued.  I may have a professional/moral obligation but my obligation to protect my family and my own health is more important to me.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CHenry</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109599</link> <dc:creator>CHenry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:57:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109599</guid> <description>Paynehertz:Your analogy doesn&#039;t really fit. Many people might drive a person to the hospital. That doesn&#039;t make them ambulance drivers or paramedics. But if you flag down an ambulance and request that the paramedic or EMT take you to the hospital, that really is not the same thing as asking a layman who might use a private vehicle. The ambulance is a specialized piece of rescue equipment and its crew and driver, a trained professional team. Whether you want to admit it or not, when you flag them down, you are expecting something different than you would from a taxi.The same is true if you say &quot;is there a doctor in the house?&quot; versus &quot;can anyone help me, anyone,  . . .Bueller?.&quot; That really isn&#039;t too hard to understand. When you ask if there is a doctor, you do so with expectations of getting help from someone who is a professional, not just anyone.CPR is meant to be administered by anyone trained to do it. Knowing CPR and administering it does not make you a professional, doctor, nurse, paramedic or EMT. Doing CPR doesn&#039;t imply professional help was available, even though it may have been, even if CPR was all even a physician might be able to do, given a situation where there were no other resources. So no, someone giving CPR shouldn&#039;t expect to be paid, if that is all they were doing and were not bringing any professional knowledge to the situation.Paynehertz, you wrote:&quot;It is sad there are some doctors who apparently can’t be expected to do anything even in an emergency situation unless there is something in it for them, but this highlights the essential nature of our medical system which is geared 100 percent to the pursuit of profit and the self-interest of physicians and rarely concerns itself with what is moral or correct.&quot;I don&#039;t see anywhere where anyone wrote that they would withhold help unless they were paid. You seem to be the only person saying that, obviously it seems for the purpose of taking a poke at doctors, something you seem to like to do. And where is your proof of medicine being &quot;100% in the pursuit of profit?&quot; Easy slur, cranks say that kind of stuff, but just plain untrue.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paynehertz:</p><p>Your analogy doesn&#8217;t really fit. Many people might drive a person to the hospital. That doesn&#8217;t make them ambulance drivers or paramedics. But if you flag down an ambulance and request that the paramedic or EMT take you to the hospital, that really is not the same thing as asking a layman who might use a private vehicle. The ambulance is a specialized piece of rescue equipment and its crew and driver, a trained professional team. Whether you want to admit it or not, when you flag them down, you are expecting something different than you would from a taxi.</p><p>The same is true if you say &#8220;is there a doctor in the house?&#8221; versus &#8220;can anyone help me, anyone,  . . .Bueller?.&#8221; That really isn&#8217;t too hard to understand. When you ask if there is a doctor, you do so with expectations of getting help from someone who is a professional, not just anyone.</p><p>CPR is meant to be administered by anyone trained to do it. Knowing CPR and administering it does not make you a professional, doctor, nurse, paramedic or EMT. Doing CPR doesn&#8217;t imply professional help was available, even though it may have been, even if CPR was all even a physician might be able to do, given a situation where there were no other resources. So no, someone giving CPR shouldn&#8217;t expect to be paid, if that is all they were doing and were not bringing any professional knowledge to the situation.</p><p>Paynehertz, you wrote:&#8221;It is sad there are some doctors who apparently can’t be expected to do anything even in an emergency situation unless there is something in it for them, but this highlights the essential nature of our medical system which is geared 100 percent to the pursuit of profit and the self-interest of physicians and rarely concerns itself with what is moral or correct.&#8221;</p><p>I don&#8217;t see anywhere where anyone wrote that they would withhold help unless they were paid. You seem to be the only person saying that, obviously it seems for the purpose of taking a poke at doctors, something you seem to like to do. And where is your proof of medicine being &#8220;100% in the pursuit of profit?&#8221; Easy slur, cranks say that kind of stuff, but just plain untrue.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Roxeanne de Luca</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109596</link> <dc:creator>Roxeanne de Luca</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:48:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109596</guid> <description>I would love to know whether or not all of these people who think that doctors are &quot;privileged&quot; and &quot;greedy&quot; would spend four years of college in a grueling pre-medical track (as opposed to studying, say, sociology), then another four years in medical school, and, after having spent $300,000 on education, go into residencies and internships... and finally start paying that salary back at age 35, when one has worked 80-100 hours per week until that point.If you think doctors should do it for free, become a doctor and do it for free.Until then, respect physicians - and others who have invested a ridiculous amount of time and energy into our educations and professional lives - by understanding the tremendous sacrifices, many of which are monetary.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to know whether or not all of these people who think that doctors are &#8220;privileged&#8221; and &#8220;greedy&#8221; would spend four years of college in a grueling pre-medical track (as opposed to studying, say, sociology), then another four years in medical school, and, after having spent $300,000 on education, go into residencies and internships&#8230; and finally start paying that salary back at age 35, when one has worked 80-100 hours per week until that point.</p><p>If you think doctors should do it for free, become a doctor and do it for free.</p><p>Until then, respect physicians &#8211; and others who have invested a ridiculous amount of time and energy into our educations and professional lives &#8211; by understanding the tremendous sacrifices, many of which are monetary.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paynehertz</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/08/poll-should-doctors-be-compensated-for-responding-to-in-flight-medical-emergencies.html#comment-109592</link> <dc:creator>Paynehertz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:50:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=39377#comment-109592</guid> <description>Most civilized people would  drive a total stranger to the hospital in an emergency situation without expecting an ambulance fee. Those who know CPR would readily perform it without demanding payment. It is sad there are some doctors who apparently can&#039;t be expected to do anything even in an emergency situation unless there is something in it for them, but this highlights the essential nature of our medical system which is geared 100 percent to the pursuit of profit and the self-interest of physicians and rarely concerns itself with what is moral or correct.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most civilized people would  drive a total stranger to the hospital in an emergency situation without expecting an ambulance fee. Those who know CPR would readily perform it without demanding payment. It is sad there are some doctors who apparently can&#8217;t be expected to do anything even in an emergency situation unless there is something in it for them, but this highlights the essential nature of our medical system which is geared 100 percent to the pursuit of profit and the self-interest of physicians and rarely concerns itself with what is moral or correct.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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