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		<title>By: Cassie</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/07/how-soon-should-patients-receive-their-test-results.html/comment-page-1#comment-110592</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over a year ago, after my yearly exam, my then-GP&#039;s office sent me what turned out to be *part* of my lab results with an unfamiliar test listed and an ambiguous scrawl &#039;for follow-up, looks normal.&#039; I called and faxed the office numerous times only to be told I would have to drive back (50 miles) to find out what this meant. I was extremely busy at work and don&#039;t drink, so forgot about it--though I was generally feeling exhausted and &#039;not good.&#039;  (She generally blew off such reports or asked pointedly &#039;if I was having the symptom now&#039;..which should have told me something.)

A few months later, my (wonderful) allergist, having actually listened when I mentioned increasing and strange symptoms, sent me for more in-depth labs. It turned out that I have a couple of serious and rare autoimmune diseases. There followed a round of visits with specialists, so I requested a copy of the GPs labs again and was shocked to see the extremely elevated liver values that had not been sent to me earlier. From what I can reconstruct, after seeing those values, she had the lab do hepatitis tests and based on those decided no problem.

When the AI specialist saw those labs, she retook them (still well above average though not as high as before) and insisted I see a gastroenterologist. The first time I saw him, he scrawled something on a prescription pad and as he handed it to me said, &quot;Here&#039;s your first script--get a new GP.&quot;  Turned out one of the (rare) conditions I have is an autoimmune form of bile duct (and ultimately, liver disease) which I guess my GP hadn&#039;t heard of.  Apparently, though looking just fine and dandy, I could have dropped dead had the disease been more advanced than it was.

I have since switched to a new GP who&#039;s been very kind about answering questions by e-mail if they don&#039;t call for a visit; and I take care not to over-do that. As for my (revered) gastroenterologist, I can communicate questions or concerns via his great assistant on e-mail and I&#039;m fine with that; he&#039;s a busy guy, gets a lot of referrals and this way he can spend time with someone who really needs it vs. having it tied up for a simple question.  Both doctors (unlike my former GP) give me test orders before any scheduled appointments so they have the results by the time I see them, which saves everybody time.  My gastro sends a copy to me ahead of time of the full results, and handwrites comments and interpretations--I was very touched when he took the time to compare recent results with prior ones, line by line, and commented enthusiastically &quot;improved!&quot;  

So...as far as sending results and any value-added comments to patients -- yes, please.  Nowadays the results are laid out in a way that patients can at least see if anything is seriously out of the normal range. If they have a chronic condition, they have probably educated themselves about what they need to know right away vs. waiting for the next appointment. If they don&#039;t care, they can just toss them.

But from my own experience, how this is handled reflects more generally the physician&#039;s respect for their patients--and though I am sad to find out I have these issues, I am glad now that I have physicians who are true partners in helping me get the most I can out of my life. 

A postnote: Specialists along the way sent copies of their labs to the original GP. Maybe 6 months after I&#039;d tried so hard to reach her, she left 2 or 3 nervous messages on my VM asking how my liver was doing. I didn&#039;t respond because &#039;it is what it is&#039; but neither did I want to waste my time, since I had the distinct feeling she was more worried about a lawsuit than my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over a year ago, after my yearly exam, my then-GP&#8217;s office sent me what turned out to be *part* of my lab results with an unfamiliar test listed and an ambiguous scrawl &#8216;for follow-up, looks normal.&#8217; I called and faxed the office numerous times only to be told I would have to drive back (50 miles) to find out what this meant. I was extremely busy at work and don&#8217;t drink, so forgot about it&#8211;though I was generally feeling exhausted and &#8216;not good.&#8217;  (She generally blew off such reports or asked pointedly &#8216;if I was having the symptom now&#8217;..which should have told me something.)</p>
<p>A few months later, my (wonderful) allergist, having actually listened when I mentioned increasing and strange symptoms, sent me for more in-depth labs. It turned out that I have a couple of serious and rare autoimmune diseases. There followed a round of visits with specialists, so I requested a copy of the GPs labs again and was shocked to see the extremely elevated liver values that had not been sent to me earlier. From what I can reconstruct, after seeing those values, she had the lab do hepatitis tests and based on those decided no problem.</p>
<p>When the AI specialist saw those labs, she retook them (still well above average though not as high as before) and insisted I see a gastroenterologist. The first time I saw him, he scrawled something on a prescription pad and as he handed it to me said, &#8220;Here&#8217;s your first script&#8211;get a new GP.&#8221;  Turned out one of the (rare) conditions I have is an autoimmune form of bile duct (and ultimately, liver disease) which I guess my GP hadn&#8217;t heard of.  Apparently, though looking just fine and dandy, I could have dropped dead had the disease been more advanced than it was.</p>
<p>I have since switched to a new GP who&#8217;s been very kind about answering questions by e-mail if they don&#8217;t call for a visit; and I take care not to over-do that. As for my (revered) gastroenterologist, I can communicate questions or concerns via his great assistant on e-mail and I&#8217;m fine with that; he&#8217;s a busy guy, gets a lot of referrals and this way he can spend time with someone who really needs it vs. having it tied up for a simple question.  Both doctors (unlike my former GP) give me test orders before any scheduled appointments so they have the results by the time I see them, which saves everybody time.  My gastro sends a copy to me ahead of time of the full results, and handwrites comments and interpretations&#8211;I was very touched when he took the time to compare recent results with prior ones, line by line, and commented enthusiastically &#8220;improved!&#8221;  </p>
<p>So&#8230;as far as sending results and any value-added comments to patients &#8212; yes, please.  Nowadays the results are laid out in a way that patients can at least see if anything is seriously out of the normal range. If they have a chronic condition, they have probably educated themselves about what they need to know right away vs. waiting for the next appointment. If they don&#8217;t care, they can just toss them.</p>
<p>But from my own experience, how this is handled reflects more generally the physician&#8217;s respect for their patients&#8211;and though I am sad to find out I have these issues, I am glad now that I have physicians who are true partners in helping me get the most I can out of my life. </p>
<p>A postnote: Specialists along the way sent copies of their labs to the original GP. Maybe 6 months after I&#8217;d tried so hard to reach her, she left 2 or 3 nervous messages on my VM asking how my liver was doing. I didn&#8217;t respond because &#8216;it is what it is&#8217; but neither did I want to waste my time, since I had the distinct feeling she was more worried about a lawsuit than my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Family Doc</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/07/how-soon-should-patients-receive-their-test-results.html/comment-page-1#comment-107327</link>
		<dc:creator>Family Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who are able to get letters to patients so quickly and routinely, how do you do it?  Do you have an automated system?  One problem I run into is that most of my patients&#039; phone numbers are not in the computer system correctly, or they&#039;re not there when I call, starting an endless chain of phone tag.  It takes me hours each week just to write and send letters to people with abnormal results.  I&#039;d love to hear how you do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who are able to get letters to patients so quickly and routinely, how do you do it?  Do you have an automated system?  One problem I run into is that most of my patients&#8217; phone numbers are not in the computer system correctly, or they&#8217;re not there when I call, starting an endless chain of phone tag.  It takes me hours each week just to write and send letters to people with abnormal results.  I&#8217;d love to hear how you do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/07/how-soon-should-patients-receive-their-test-results.html/comment-page-1#comment-107115</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to be notified of results, patients need to make sure that they understand the significance of those results. Physicians need to be aware of the importance of followup and to impress that importance on the patient.

I&#039;ll give an example. I&#039;m caring for a patient with cancer. Looking at her previous hospitalization records she had been in a hospital at a previous time, and a report stated that the patient needed a followup scan, after 6 weeks, to determine whether the abnormality in the scan was benign or concerning for cancer. I don&#039;t know if this was ever communicated to her, but she now has inoperable cancer in the site of the previous abnormality. Whose fault is this?  Perhaps we can blame the patient, but I think it&#039;s a problem with explaining the significance of findings to patients, especially patients with limited health literacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to be notified of results, patients need to make sure that they understand the significance of those results. Physicians need to be aware of the importance of followup and to impress that importance on the patient.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give an example. I&#8217;m caring for a patient with cancer. Looking at her previous hospitalization records she had been in a hospital at a previous time, and a report stated that the patient needed a followup scan, after 6 weeks, to determine whether the abnormality in the scan was benign or concerning for cancer. I don&#8217;t know if this was ever communicated to her, but she now has inoperable cancer in the site of the previous abnormality. Whose fault is this?  Perhaps we can blame the patient, but I think it&#8217;s a problem with explaining the significance of findings to patients, especially patients with limited health literacy.</p>
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		<title>By: MarylandMD</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/07/how-soon-should-patients-receive-their-test-results.html/comment-page-1#comment-106802</link>
		<dc:creator>MarylandMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked up the study, and I have to say that how they define abnormal is reasonable.  For example, it was expected that patients be informed of any abnormal Pap, abnormal mammogram, or positive FOBT within 90 days.  Other examples: patients should be informed within 90 days of total cholesterol &gt;249, K 5.5, A1c &gt; 8.9, or transaminase &gt;=2x ULN.  Some exclusions were applied, so they did not expect you to inform a patient of a high AST if they had a documented history of chronic liver disease.

This study should prompt physicians to take a hard look at how they manage lab results in their office (we should all periodically do this anyway).  A significant delay in informing the patient about important abnormal tests puts patients at risk and significantly damages the trust patients put in their physician.  It also puts the physician at significant medicolegal risk.  Unfortunately, it is that last point that puts the most fire under providers to fix a broken system.

This is a link to the study (which is available as a FREE full text article!):
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/169/12/1123?home

This is the link to the table which delineates what labs they were looking at, exclusion criteria, what they defined as &quot;abnormal&quot;:
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/data/169/12/1123/DC1/1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked up the study, and I have to say that how they define abnormal is reasonable.  For example, it was expected that patients be informed of any abnormal Pap, abnormal mammogram, or positive FOBT within 90 days.  Other examples: patients should be informed within 90 days of total cholesterol &gt;249, K 5.5, A1c &gt; 8.9, or transaminase &gt;=2x ULN.  Some exclusions were applied, so they did not expect you to inform a patient of a high AST if they had a documented history of chronic liver disease.</p>
<p>This study should prompt physicians to take a hard look at how they manage lab results in their office (we should all periodically do this anyway).  A significant delay in informing the patient about important abnormal tests puts patients at risk and significantly damages the trust patients put in their physician.  It also puts the physician at significant medicolegal risk.  Unfortunately, it is that last point that puts the most fire under providers to fix a broken system.</p>
<p>This is a link to the study (which is available as a FREE full text article!):<br />
<a href="http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/169/12/1123?home" rel="nofollow">http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/169/12/1123?home</a></p>
<p>This is the link to the table which delineates what labs they were looking at, exclusion criteria, what they defined as &#8220;abnormal&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/data/169/12/1123/DC1/1" rel="nofollow">http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/data/169/12/1123/DC1/1</a></p>
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		<title>By: MarylandMD</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/07/how-soon-should-patients-receive-their-test-results.html/comment-page-1#comment-106790</link>
		<dc:creator>MarylandMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tell all my patients to expect a letter from me detailing the results of any tests I order.  I also instruct them that if they don&#039;t hear from me within 2-3 weeks, they should call the office and ask for their results.  I tell them to do the same for any specialists they may see and to NEVER accept the &quot;no news is good news&quot; line, as that is garbage medicine.   The vast majority of letters are printed out the same day I receive the results.

All that being said, it would be good to look at what is defined as an &quot;abnormal test result&quot; in the study.  Are we talking about a Hct of 27 or a very slightly elevated BUN in a patient with a normal Cr and no history or risk of renal disease?  Everyone would agree the former is truly abnormal, but the latter is of extremely doubtful significance and I don&#039;t know anyone who would inform the patient about it.  I have never actually measured it, but I would guess that a few percent of the &quot;abnormal test results&quot; that cross my desk are in the latter category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tell all my patients to expect a letter from me detailing the results of any tests I order.  I also instruct them that if they don&#8217;t hear from me within 2-3 weeks, they should call the office and ask for their results.  I tell them to do the same for any specialists they may see and to NEVER accept the &#8220;no news is good news&#8221; line, as that is garbage medicine.   The vast majority of letters are printed out the same day I receive the results.</p>
<p>All that being said, it would be good to look at what is defined as an &#8220;abnormal test result&#8221; in the study.  Are we talking about a Hct of 27 or a very slightly elevated BUN in a patient with a normal Cr and no history or risk of renal disease?  Everyone would agree the former is truly abnormal, but the latter is of extremely doubtful significance and I don&#8217;t know anyone who would inform the patient about it.  I have never actually measured it, but I would guess that a few percent of the &#8220;abnormal test results&#8221; that cross my desk are in the latter category.</p>
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		<title>By: cptmac22</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/07/how-soon-should-patients-receive-their-test-results.html/comment-page-1#comment-106294</link>
		<dc:creator>cptmac22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take my tests, including CT, in the morning and 4 hours later I meet with my doc about my results.  No panicking wondering about the what ifs.  I like being in the same room as we look over my test results and our next plan of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take my tests, including CT, in the morning and 4 hours later I meet with my doc about my results.  No panicking wondering about the what ifs.  I like being in the same room as we look over my test results and our next plan of action.</p>
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		<title>By: ninguem</title>
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		<dc:creator>ninguem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never, never, NEVER assume no news is good news. It&#039;s too easy to drop the ball. Not just the physician, but the patient.

They fail to update their address. I ask the patient rhetorically. &quot;Do you have a teenage son? How&#039;s that son about passing on phone messages?&quot; Mother invariably rolls her eyes.

There was a news article a few days ago, about how many hospital pages go astray. The staff pages a doc who&#039;s not on duty, that sort of thing. Hospital staff seems convinced that paging systems are magic and infallible, I swear.

I know in training, I personally pointed out that certain parts of our major University teaching hospital were dead zones for the hospital&#039;s own paging system. We had near-misses. One resident got in serious trouble for not responding to pages from a department chairman. Chairman would not listen to reason when it was explained, another part of the bureaucracy had to intervene to save resident&#039;s career. I know I had to manage a disaster on my own, with help from junior residents, when attending could not be found. Fortunately, successful management of disaster, but same chair wanted heads to roll. As in, mine. I demonstrated good-faith effort to find attending all over the complex, overhead pages, sent a couple medical students out to usual suspected places, call rooms and all that. Attending was legitimately in the dead zone part of hospital. Fortunately, I survived that storm, and affected patient did fine.

Not to point fingers, just that there&#039;s a whole bunch of ways to drop the ball on communications. Paging, phone, E-mail, nothing is perfect, so I categorically tell patients NOT to assume no news is good news, and ALWAYS call our office if they receive no news within a week.

By pointing out all the ways the ball is dropped, the patient does not usually feel so bad if they don&#039;t hear back, they just call and we make sure they know the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never, never, NEVER assume no news is good news. It&#8217;s too easy to drop the ball. Not just the physician, but the patient.</p>
<p>They fail to update their address. I ask the patient rhetorically. &#8220;Do you have a teenage son? How&#8217;s that son about passing on phone messages?&#8221; Mother invariably rolls her eyes.</p>
<p>There was a news article a few days ago, about how many hospital pages go astray. The staff pages a doc who&#8217;s not on duty, that sort of thing. Hospital staff seems convinced that paging systems are magic and infallible, I swear.</p>
<p>I know in training, I personally pointed out that certain parts of our major University teaching hospital were dead zones for the hospital&#8217;s own paging system. We had near-misses. One resident got in serious trouble for not responding to pages from a department chairman. Chairman would not listen to reason when it was explained, another part of the bureaucracy had to intervene to save resident&#8217;s career. I know I had to manage a disaster on my own, with help from junior residents, when attending could not be found. Fortunately, successful management of disaster, but same chair wanted heads to roll. As in, mine. I demonstrated good-faith effort to find attending all over the complex, overhead pages, sent a couple medical students out to usual suspected places, call rooms and all that. Attending was legitimately in the dead zone part of hospital. Fortunately, I survived that storm, and affected patient did fine.</p>
<p>Not to point fingers, just that there&#8217;s a whole bunch of ways to drop the ball on communications. Paging, phone, E-mail, nothing is perfect, so I categorically tell patients NOT to assume no news is good news, and ALWAYS call our office if they receive no news within a week.</p>
<p>By pointing out all the ways the ball is dropped, the patient does not usually feel so bad if they don&#8217;t hear back, they just call and we make sure they know the results.</p>
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		<title>By: misha</title>
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		<dc:creator>misha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be ok with NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS, but I am now trained to micromanage the health care providers (not so much mine with routine care...but for my kids when they are sick).  I have a son who has urologic problems and you would NOT believe how many times the specimen for culture didn&#039;t get sent or the records didn&#039;t get sent to his specialist...or one time the specimen was spilled and the nurse told me it was negative instead of fessing up that it was actually spilled.  I learned the hard way...by my child ending up in the ER and subsequently hospitalized for an untreated uti. And once I took my extremely cranky 14 yo daughter with general &quot;i&#039;m sick&quot; complaints to the GP. Her physical stuff checked out OK, and he referred her to counseling.  TWO WEEKS LATER, (I was forcing her to go to school, activities,do chores this whole time) the NURSE called me to say they failed to call us with the lab result that daughter had MONO. Yes--I follow up.  The good news is that I moved to a new town where the practitioners are EXCELLENT.  They communicate with us and with specialists and they LISTEN.  I don&#039;t feel the need to micromanage and I trust the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be ok with NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS, but I am now trained to micromanage the health care providers (not so much mine with routine care&#8230;but for my kids when they are sick).  I have a son who has urologic problems and you would NOT believe how many times the specimen for culture didn&#8217;t get sent or the records didn&#8217;t get sent to his specialist&#8230;or one time the specimen was spilled and the nurse told me it was negative instead of fessing up that it was actually spilled.  I learned the hard way&#8230;by my child ending up in the ER and subsequently hospitalized for an untreated uti. And once I took my extremely cranky 14 yo daughter with general &#8220;i&#8217;m sick&#8221; complaints to the GP. Her physical stuff checked out OK, and he referred her to counseling.  TWO WEEKS LATER, (I was forcing her to go to school, activities,do chores this whole time) the NURSE called me to say they failed to call us with the lab result that daughter had MONO. Yes&#8211;I follow up.  The good news is that I moved to a new town where the practitioners are EXCELLENT.  They communicate with us and with specialists and they LISTEN.  I don&#8217;t feel the need to micromanage and I trust the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Grumpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always call with results, regardless of outcome. I even tell patients that if they havent&#039; heard from me within a week to call and ask, because occasionally results get sent to another doc with the same last name, so I never know they got done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always call with results, regardless of outcome. I even tell patients that if they havent&#8217; heard from me within a week to call and ask, because occasionally results get sent to another doc with the same last name, so I never know they got done.</p>
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		<title>By: ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Ideal world i think it is a must to call or send letter about labs. Some have patients do labs prior visits so they can discuss them in person. We will see 100% communication of labs if the doctor&#039;s office got some credit for the time spent. Few hours are spent each day between patients by providers doing these things. The doctor who looks over past results and compares, puts in a pamplet about low cholesterol diet etc. Why isn&#039;t this important detail not billed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Ideal world i think it is a must to call or send letter about labs. Some have patients do labs prior visits so they can discuss them in person. We will see 100% communication of labs if the doctor&#8217;s office got some credit for the time spent. Few hours are spent each day between patients by providers doing these things. The doctor who looks over past results and compares, puts in a pamplet about low cholesterol diet etc. Why isn&#8217;t this important detail not billed.</p>
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