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		<title>By: Doc Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/why-would-a-doctor-stop-seeing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-102783</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody owns me.  The 12 amendment ended slavery and I will not consent to being one.  There was a modest public subsidy of my education, which was fairly repaid when I worked for the publicly owned hospital for years at minimum wage or less when considered on an hourly basis.  Residencies cost the public money?  Not mine.  Attendings were seen only from 8-10:30 am.  When the residency lost it&#039;s accreditation for a few years once, the department&#039;s ability to serve the public with it&#039;s attending staff alone put the entire hospital in crises, requiring a 50% reduction in beds until the indentured cheap labor was again secured.  

All debts are paid.  God owns me but I hold temporal title. Society has no share.  Like any other human being on the face of the earth, anyone who wants my labor must make it worth my while. When he as done so, I will give it my best.  The only exception is when I make a fully free decision to extend charity.  My reasons for doing so, or not, and when to do so, or not,  are a matter between me and my maker/owner which is no other person&#039;s affair.

What does enslave doctors is the depth of the identification with the values and identity that one has acquired by the end of training.  Walking off from that leads to grieving and requires a lot of flexibility and usually a lot of pain to motivate one to do so.  People often choose death rather than surrender the core of their identity and some physicians do so, working themselves to death.

No one goes to medical school planning to not practice medicine.  By graduation, maybe 1% are looking for an out.  By completion of residency, probably about 15% are wishing, but hiding the thought, ashamed of it.  The percentage grows over time as a result of abuse and lack of the expected rewards.  What is frightening for the future of the profession is that we have turned the corner. We have alway had &quot;desertions&quot; by those who were mismatched in the first place and those who got burned out, and evictions due to disability, impairment, or malfeasance.  

Of late however, I have noticed that it is the best and brightest, the leaders and the top med school graduates who are exiting clinical practice.  It doesn&#039;t  bode well for the future quality and professionalism of medicine, and consequently, being ill.

Every day, some doc somewhere, sees another Norman, someone who sees him as not a human with a calling but just a public utility, and realizes that all of his self-sacrifice for others has done is morally corrupted them making them entitled ingrates and spiritually emptied himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody owns me.  The 12 amendment ended slavery and I will not consent to being one.  There was a modest public subsidy of my education, which was fairly repaid when I worked for the publicly owned hospital for years at minimum wage or less when considered on an hourly basis.  Residencies cost the public money?  Not mine.  Attendings were seen only from 8-10:30 am.  When the residency lost it&#8217;s accreditation for a few years once, the department&#8217;s ability to serve the public with it&#8217;s attending staff alone put the entire hospital in crises, requiring a 50% reduction in beds until the indentured cheap labor was again secured.  </p>
<p>All debts are paid.  God owns me but I hold temporal title. Society has no share.  Like any other human being on the face of the earth, anyone who wants my labor must make it worth my while. When he as done so, I will give it my best.  The only exception is when I make a fully free decision to extend charity.  My reasons for doing so, or not, and when to do so, or not,  are a matter between me and my maker/owner which is no other person&#8217;s affair.</p>
<p>What does enslave doctors is the depth of the identification with the values and identity that one has acquired by the end of training.  Walking off from that leads to grieving and requires a lot of flexibility and usually a lot of pain to motivate one to do so.  People often choose death rather than surrender the core of their identity and some physicians do so, working themselves to death.</p>
<p>No one goes to medical school planning to not practice medicine.  By graduation, maybe 1% are looking for an out.  By completion of residency, probably about 15% are wishing, but hiding the thought, ashamed of it.  The percentage grows over time as a result of abuse and lack of the expected rewards.  What is frightening for the future of the profession is that we have turned the corner. We have alway had &#8220;desertions&#8221; by those who were mismatched in the first place and those who got burned out, and evictions due to disability, impairment, or malfeasance.  </p>
<p>Of late however, I have noticed that it is the best and brightest, the leaders and the top med school graduates who are exiting clinical practice.  It doesn&#8217;t  bode well for the future quality and professionalism of medicine, and consequently, being ill.</p>
<p>Every day, some doc somewhere, sees another Norman, someone who sees him as not a human with a calling but just a public utility, and realizes that all of his self-sacrifice for others has done is morally corrupted them making them entitled ingrates and spiritually emptied himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Educator</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/why-would-a-doctor-stop-seeing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-102781</link>
		<dc:creator>Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an young professional with a background in K-12 education, nonprofit administration and business development.  it is no surprise that today&#039;s physicians are leaving at a rapid rate.  I have seen a number of young nonprofit executives who leave employers within 12 - 18 months for the next big thing.  In addition, I have witnessed a number of urban school teachers who leave within 2 years, despite their numerous master&#039;s degrees.  The reasons are quite simple when you work with the public citizen, you will be disrespected.  One realizes that not so long along the educator was a respected member of society, now she or he is just a glamorized babysitter.  Soon, the physician will downplayed to a overzealot band-aid giver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an young professional with a background in K-12 education, nonprofit administration and business development.  it is no surprise that today&#8217;s physicians are leaving at a rapid rate.  I have seen a number of young nonprofit executives who leave employers within 12 &#8211; 18 months for the next big thing.  In addition, I have witnessed a number of urban school teachers who leave within 2 years, despite their numerous master&#8217;s degrees.  The reasons are quite simple when you work with the public citizen, you will be disrespected.  One realizes that not so long along the educator was a respected member of society, now she or he is just a glamorized babysitter.  Soon, the physician will downplayed to a overzealot band-aid giver.</p>
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		<title>By: MedFusionBlog.org</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/why-would-a-doctor-stop-seeing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-101634</link>
		<dc:creator>MedFusionBlog.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna,

I feel for your situation.  My father is a General Surgeon with the same heart as your husband.  I saw him lied about and slandered by an HMO because he stood against their unethical (and almost illegal) business practices in our little community.  Because of his stand, he lost significant income, was forced out of private practice, and was almost ruined financially.  He did the right thing and he paid a heavy price for it.  He has no regrets and his patients still revere him, but it left a very bitter taste in my mouth.

This group that is anti-doctor seems to resent the fact that doctors are paid above average salaries.  They seem to think that if doctor salaries were brought down, their health expenses would also go donw.  What they don&#039;t realize ist that in medicine, someone makes money.  To me, it is much more ethical for a physician who has sacrificed a decade of his life in training and is legally and ethically responsible for people&#039;s lives to be paid, rather than a kid just out of a Master&#039;s program somewhere who works for an HMO.

I am so sorry about what has happened to your husband. I have no doubt that you are telling the truth since I have seen it as well.  At the end of the day, however, he can put his head on his pillow knowing he did the right thing.  I&#039;m not sure how some of these others sleep at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna,</p>
<p>I feel for your situation.  My father is a General Surgeon with the same heart as your husband.  I saw him lied about and slandered by an HMO because he stood against their unethical (and almost illegal) business practices in our little community.  Because of his stand, he lost significant income, was forced out of private practice, and was almost ruined financially.  He did the right thing and he paid a heavy price for it.  He has no regrets and his patients still revere him, but it left a very bitter taste in my mouth.</p>
<p>This group that is anti-doctor seems to resent the fact that doctors are paid above average salaries.  They seem to think that if doctor salaries were brought down, their health expenses would also go donw.  What they don&#8217;t realize ist that in medicine, someone makes money.  To me, it is much more ethical for a physician who has sacrificed a decade of his life in training and is legally and ethically responsible for people&#8217;s lives to be paid, rather than a kid just out of a Master&#8217;s program somewhere who works for an HMO.</p>
<p>I am so sorry about what has happened to your husband. I have no doubt that you are telling the truth since I have seen it as well.  At the end of the day, however, he can put his head on his pillow knowing he did the right thing.  I&#8217;m not sure how some of these others sleep at night.</p>
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		<title>By: TrenchDoc</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/why-would-a-doctor-stop-seeing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-101612</link>
		<dc:creator>TrenchDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna
I feel for you and your family. After 32 years of practice I realize the only thing that counts is my family. I first got a hint of many of my patients attitude a few years ago.I had just gotten back from a week of vacation and the first day back in the office I was confronted with a patient who demanded to know where I was last week. When I explained that I had taken a week off to be with my family she responded &quot;But I needed you.&quot; I calmly explained that my family also needed but and her response was &quot;But I needed you MORE&quot;. She as no longer my patient. The bottom line is this: the harder society makes it for me to practice medicine the more I am going to demand in terms of reimbursement because the satisfication of patient care is tainted by all the crap I have to put up with. Go ahead and run me out of practice and see who will see the 40 patients a day I am seeing. You will be doing me a favor by putting me out of my misery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna<br />
I feel for you and your family. After 32 years of practice I realize the only thing that counts is my family. I first got a hint of many of my patients attitude a few years ago.I had just gotten back from a week of vacation and the first day back in the office I was confronted with a patient who demanded to know where I was last week. When I explained that I had taken a week off to be with my family she responded &#8220;But I needed you.&#8221; I calmly explained that my family also needed but and her response was &#8220;But I needed you MORE&#8221;. She as no longer my patient. The bottom line is this: the harder society makes it for me to practice medicine the more I am going to demand in terms of reimbursement because the satisfication of patient care is tainted by all the crap I have to put up with. Go ahead and run me out of practice and see who will see the 40 patients a day I am seeing. You will be doing me a favor by putting me out of my misery.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/why-would-a-doctor-stop-seeing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-101475</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great posts.  But there is one problem that medfusionblog.com scratches the surface with.    
I started my husband&#039;s practice with him 20 year ago, the first year HMOs started.  The beginning of the $2 office visit.  THIS, I believe, was the tipping point.  Before then, most physicians went to med school assuming they would practice independently (not work for an organization).  Most who are younger assumed they would.  He was stuck in between.
But here is the thing.  He IS Doctor X.  That&#039;s who he is.  There is no option for him.  He is a family doctor in every fiber of his being.  He is on County boards of medicine and boards of health as his only way (he has no other time) to be a part of the political process, and he does go to voting booths to hand out flyers to voters about the pro-physician candidates.  But other than that, he IS  a physician, and I do not think there are any other professions where someone can be so distinctly &quot;called&quot;, where people are hardwired so intensely, aside from perhaps clergy?  I do not know.  Right, he is not trained to do anything else.  He was born to heal people.  You are not far enough into it to see the price it really costs - not just student loans.  How about when you have 3 teenagers and one starts college.  And according to the Gov&#039;t, your salary is too much to qualify for aid.  How did you put away any money?  You didn&#039;t.  You were raising kids, you were trying to make ends meet.  And your friends and family who worked a fraction of the time, some of who are now very wealthy and even set for life, all of whom come to you as their physician and call you any time of day or night when there is a medical crises, assume you must have done something wrong.  Hey, you&#039;re a doctor!  You make money!  It is still even the most intelligent people&#039;s perception.  But that&#039;s the way it is.  There have been days when his 23 year old &quot;boss&quot; (the CEO, who is 28, calls usually from the golf course) is yelling at him and telling him what to do or not do and he will call and vent a bit to me and then he&#039;s back to work and forgets.  The only time I have ever cried in a business meeting was when my husband asked me to come to a small meeting/get together to discuss a salary cut, thinking I could help him because he has trouble even discussing money.  I watched how they treated him, how they spoke to him and (I felt) degraded him because he wasn&#039;t &quot;producing&quot; enough (seeing patients fast enough) - 20-somethings without any background in medicine or even medical management - and when I questioned something the answer was &quot;We will do anything we want, this is OUR business don&#039;t tell us what to do&quot; and because it was his job and not mine (where I would have fought back), I felt myself just begin to cry.  And afterward, when we left the meeting and went to dinner and I started venting he stopped me.  What did he say?   &quot;Whatever.  I am here for the patients.  I&#039;m here for my people, to take care of them.  That&#039;s all that matters&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posts.  But there is one problem that medfusionblog.com scratches the surface with.<br />
I started my husband&#8217;s practice with him 20 year ago, the first year HMOs started.  The beginning of the $2 office visit.  THIS, I believe, was the tipping point.  Before then, most physicians went to med school assuming they would practice independently (not work for an organization).  Most who are younger assumed they would.  He was stuck in between.<br />
But here is the thing.  He IS Doctor X.  That&#8217;s who he is.  There is no option for him.  He is a family doctor in every fiber of his being.  He is on County boards of medicine and boards of health as his only way (he has no other time) to be a part of the political process, and he does go to voting booths to hand out flyers to voters about the pro-physician candidates.  But other than that, he IS  a physician, and I do not think there are any other professions where someone can be so distinctly &#8220;called&#8221;, where people are hardwired so intensely, aside from perhaps clergy?  I do not know.  Right, he is not trained to do anything else.  He was born to heal people.  You are not far enough into it to see the price it really costs &#8211; not just student loans.  How about when you have 3 teenagers and one starts college.  And according to the Gov&#8217;t, your salary is too much to qualify for aid.  How did you put away any money?  You didn&#8217;t.  You were raising kids, you were trying to make ends meet.  And your friends and family who worked a fraction of the time, some of who are now very wealthy and even set for life, all of whom come to you as their physician and call you any time of day or night when there is a medical crises, assume you must have done something wrong.  Hey, you&#8217;re a doctor!  You make money!  It is still even the most intelligent people&#8217;s perception.  But that&#8217;s the way it is.  There have been days when his 23 year old &#8220;boss&#8221; (the CEO, who is 28, calls usually from the golf course) is yelling at him and telling him what to do or not do and he will call and vent a bit to me and then he&#8217;s back to work and forgets.  The only time I have ever cried in a business meeting was when my husband asked me to come to a small meeting/get together to discuss a salary cut, thinking I could help him because he has trouble even discussing money.  I watched how they treated him, how they spoke to him and (I felt) degraded him because he wasn&#8217;t &#8220;producing&#8221; enough (seeing patients fast enough) &#8211; 20-somethings without any background in medicine or even medical management &#8211; and when I questioned something the answer was &#8220;We will do anything we want, this is OUR business don&#8217;t tell us what to do&#8221; and because it was his job and not mine (where I would have fought back), I felt myself just begin to cry.  And afterward, when we left the meeting and went to dinner and I started venting he stopped me.  What did he say?   &#8220;Whatever.  I am here for the patients.  I&#8217;m here for my people, to take care of them.  That&#8217;s all that matters&#8221;.<br />
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		<title>By: http://MedFusionBlog.org</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/why-would-a-doctor-stop-seeing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-101466</link>
		<dc:creator>http://MedFusionBlog.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have enjoyed reading the posts to this blog entry.

I believe we are going through a transition period in medicine.  Up until the past ten years or so, physicians were trained in medicine and believed that as long as they were good doctors, the money would take care of itself.  They did not need to be entrepreneurs or good business people.  They just served the community with their medical skills and everything else fell into place.

Today, if a physician practices medicine according to this old paradigm he/she will end up broke.  I personally know many physicians who are barely able to make ends meet due to their heavy student loans and the grueling hours of their practice.  Many are at their wits end and they are very frustrated. 

Medical students are told by everyone around them-- older physicians, loan officers, administrators--- that if they can just stick it out through med school and residency that things get better.  Their finances will be solid and their jobs will be satisfying. I was told many times by independent financial officers, administrators, and older docs not to worry about my student loans since I could pay them off quickly once I got out of training.  

Many young physicians are seeing early in their careers that things do not get better.  I now work as much as I did as a resident and many of my peers work more (especially since federal law has limited the hours residents can work). Physicians are now entering their careers with loan payments that can be as much as their mortgages and work hours that are worse than their residencies. 

With the work environment getting worse, the stigma of leaving medicine is lessening.  Those who can leave are leaving and are breathing a sigh of relief that that chapter of their life is over.

It is sad, really.  Society might not want to hear this, but the typical medical student is way more talented than the average person on the street (and way more talented than the typical paper-pusher setting policy these days).  Many of these medical students were at the top of their classes is every subject and could have done anything.  They chose medicine from a variety of opportunities offered to them because it was interesting and seemed fulfilling. These talented individuals are now realizing their talents are not compensated or appreciated in medicine, and since they have many other opportunities they are opting to exercise their options once again and are leaving.  

The only thing holding back a massive exodus from clinical medicine is that many physicians do not have the broad exposure to other fields that those in law and business have and they are too overwhelmed with their practices to learn much about the possibilities. However, this is changing. Once physicians begin to bridge this gap in knowledge and learn how to make the jump, I expect the floodgates to open and young docs to begin leaving clinical medicine in droves.  I don&#039;t blame them, but it makes me very concerned about the future of medicine in this country.

Medicine in this country is suffering from a classic case of death by bureaucracy. The jealous and small-minded-- obsessed with the process more than the outcome-- have regulated a group of talented leaders into nothing more than drones running faster and faster in a hamster wheel trying to survive.  However, these drones are beginning to realize that the box that they are in has no lid, and they are talented enough to leave if they want.  Once they learn this-- to the dismay of bureaucrats everywhere-- they will be gone in a flash and the regulators will have only themselves to boss around.  The process will be perfect but the outcomes will be dismal.

Those who are anti-doctor might win every argument out there then come to realize they lost the war.  You do not have physicians under you thumb.  These are people who have the ability to do almost anything and once they realize they can, they will leave this circus for more calm waters and let you guys bicker and lecture others. These former docs will use their medical knowledge to take care of their families and friends and shake their heads in wonder while you wait for months to see the handful of docs still practicing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have enjoyed reading the posts to this blog entry.</p>
<p>I believe we are going through a transition period in medicine.  Up until the past ten years or so, physicians were trained in medicine and believed that as long as they were good doctors, the money would take care of itself.  They did not need to be entrepreneurs or good business people.  They just served the community with their medical skills and everything else fell into place.</p>
<p>Today, if a physician practices medicine according to this old paradigm he/she will end up broke.  I personally know many physicians who are barely able to make ends meet due to their heavy student loans and the grueling hours of their practice.  Many are at their wits end and they are very frustrated. </p>
<p>Medical students are told by everyone around them&#8211; older physicians, loan officers, administrators&#8212; that if they can just stick it out through med school and residency that things get better.  Their finances will be solid and their jobs will be satisfying. I was told many times by independent financial officers, administrators, and older docs not to worry about my student loans since I could pay them off quickly once I got out of training.  </p>
<p>Many young physicians are seeing early in their careers that things do not get better.  I now work as much as I did as a resident and many of my peers work more (especially since federal law has limited the hours residents can work). Physicians are now entering their careers with loan payments that can be as much as their mortgages and work hours that are worse than their residencies. </p>
<p>With the work environment getting worse, the stigma of leaving medicine is lessening.  Those who can leave are leaving and are breathing a sigh of relief that that chapter of their life is over.</p>
<p>It is sad, really.  Society might not want to hear this, but the typical medical student is way more talented than the average person on the street (and way more talented than the typical paper-pusher setting policy these days).  Many of these medical students were at the top of their classes is every subject and could have done anything.  They chose medicine from a variety of opportunities offered to them because it was interesting and seemed fulfilling. These talented individuals are now realizing their talents are not compensated or appreciated in medicine, and since they have many other opportunities they are opting to exercise their options once again and are leaving.  </p>
<p>The only thing holding back a massive exodus from clinical medicine is that many physicians do not have the broad exposure to other fields that those in law and business have and they are too overwhelmed with their practices to learn much about the possibilities. However, this is changing. Once physicians begin to bridge this gap in knowledge and learn how to make the jump, I expect the floodgates to open and young docs to begin leaving clinical medicine in droves.  I don&#8217;t blame them, but it makes me very concerned about the future of medicine in this country.</p>
<p>Medicine in this country is suffering from a classic case of death by bureaucracy. The jealous and small-minded&#8211; obsessed with the process more than the outcome&#8211; have regulated a group of talented leaders into nothing more than drones running faster and faster in a hamster wheel trying to survive.  However, these drones are beginning to realize that the box that they are in has no lid, and they are talented enough to leave if they want.  Once they learn this&#8211; to the dismay of bureaucrats everywhere&#8211; they will be gone in a flash and the regulators will have only themselves to boss around.  The process will be perfect but the outcomes will be dismal.</p>
<p>Those who are anti-doctor might win every argument out there then come to realize they lost the war.  You do not have physicians under you thumb.  These are people who have the ability to do almost anything and once they realize they can, they will leave this circus for more calm waters and let you guys bicker and lecture others. These former docs will use their medical knowledge to take care of their families and friends and shake their heads in wonder while you wait for months to see the handful of docs still practicing.</p>
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		<title>By: twaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>twaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After doing this for 20+ years....
As they say, those that can...do. Everyone else just complains (or teaches or is a self described expert). And it is the squeaky wheel who gets the grease. Thank you Donna and above for noticing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After doing this for 20+ years&#8230;.<br />
As they say, those that can&#8230;do. Everyone else just complains (or teaches or is a self described expert). And it is the squeaky wheel who gets the grease. Thank you Donna and above for noticing.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of these posts are excellent - the obvious, stated.  @Andrew I have to comment - you think docs don&#039;t want to risk 200k tuition for  (as you put it) &gt;1mm per year salary?  How about less that 200k/year salary?  But working 24/7, 48 - 50 weeks per year.  Does that make sense?  Yes, but only for a very special kind of person who puts others before themselves.  Primary care average salary is 145k/year last I looked, at the peak of career.  What other business requires the investment of time and money that primary requires for such little return in dollars?  It is about &quot;a calling&quot; - because if it is about money, they are not doing it.  Lots of sacrificing for others.  If I were very ill, I would want my husband (who has scored consistently over 95th percentile with every board recertification, who spent the years and dollars in med school, who was chief resident and did his years of residency at minimal pay and minimal sleep) to take care of me.  Our country feels (and I am not saying it is right or wrong because I am biased) that his value is on par with a good plumber (no college needed) or mid-level management exec (usually undergrad degree required).  Although those people rarely get 5 calls in a night waking them up with emergencies that need to be attended to at that moment.
As he puts it - what good primary care physician has time to lobby or make their case heard - it costs them even more money they don&#039;t have.  Their families suffer financially for the time (which = money) spent for fruitless effort.  Biggest pockets win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of these posts are excellent &#8211; the obvious, stated.  @Andrew I have to comment &#8211; you think docs don&#8217;t want to risk 200k tuition for  (as you put it) &gt;1mm per year salary?  How about less that 200k/year salary?  But working 24/7, 48 &#8211; 50 weeks per year.  Does that make sense?  Yes, but only for a very special kind of person who puts others before themselves.  Primary care average salary is 145k/year last I looked, at the peak of career.  What other business requires the investment of time and money that primary requires for such little return in dollars?  It is about &#8220;a calling&#8221; &#8211; because if it is about money, they are not doing it.  Lots of sacrificing for others.  If I were very ill, I would want my husband (who has scored consistently over 95th percentile with every board recertification, who spent the years and dollars in med school, who was chief resident and did his years of residency at minimal pay and minimal sleep) to take care of me.  Our country feels (and I am not saying it is right or wrong because I am biased) that his value is on par with a good plumber (no college needed) or mid-level management exec (usually undergrad degree required).  Although those people rarely get 5 calls in a night waking them up with emergencies that need to be attended to at that moment.<br />
As he puts it &#8211; what good primary care physician has time to lobby or make their case heard &#8211; it costs them even more money they don&#8217;t have.  Their families suffer financially for the time (which = money) spent for fruitless effort.  Biggest pockets win.</p>
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		<title>By: whatthe</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandfather said to my mother on his dying bed, &quot;make sure the doctors get paid.&quot; Will anybody ever hear this again! Obama, maybe you should put a Hollywood Hospital in every state. Everybody will really pay into that. Ipods, MTV, favorite celebrities visiting every room. Maybe even pools with famous stars giving you physical therapy while in the pool, etc.....That&#039;s a plan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandfather said to my mother on his dying bed, &#8220;make sure the doctors get paid.&#8221; Will anybody ever hear this again! Obama, maybe you should put a Hollywood Hospital in every state. Everybody will really pay into that. Ipods, MTV, favorite celebrities visiting every room. Maybe even pools with famous stars giving you physical therapy while in the pool, etc&#8230;..That&#8217;s a plan!</p>
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		<title>By: SmartDoc</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/why-would-a-doctor-stop-seeing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-100774</link>
		<dc:creator>SmartDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okulus: Your posts 21 &amp; 24 are outstanding.  I don&#039;t have your patience, so bless you for your patient logical efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okulus: Your posts 21 &amp; 24 are outstanding.  I don&#8217;t have your patience, so bless you for your patient logical efforts.</p>
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