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	<title>Comments on: Executive physicals, and what the Mayo Clinic doesn&#8217;t want you to know</title>
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		<title>By: j.</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/executive-physicals-and-what-the-mayo-clinic-doesnt-want-you-to-know.html/comment-page-1#comment-113570</link>
		<dc:creator>j.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm....look a little further into Mayo Clinic, especially satellites in Scottsdale and Jacksonville and the stench will nauseate. They do not take Medicare Assignment and charge patients 15% above what Medicare allows.  Mayo actually sent out a letter to their patients stating that they know that their patients would like to pay them more money than what is allowed but the patient&#039;s insurance companies will not allow it.

They have been known to send patient home from ER without a thorough work up as surgeons decide who gets hospital beds. 

We see some employees as patients. Mayo is not patient centered and not physician run. Administrative counsels don&#039;t just fire they disenigrate confidence to the point of obliterating self esteem, trying to make them quit so they are not eligible for benefits. 

Some community PCPs have challenged Mayo and then cannot get patient records unless patients sign for them, even though the PCP ordered the tests and referred the patient over to them. 

They were formed as a surgery center and that is what they are best doing. Yes, they have great doctors in other areas, but surgery is their main behind the scenes focus. 

When we see President Obama hold them up as cost effective we laugh as it is well known that their physicians do not work together side by side with patients, and to pad their bottom line they run tests like crazy with no regard to cost to patient, or insurance companies, never checking with PCPs to see what tests have already been done. We &quot;lose&quot; patients in the system when sending them over for one test they internally refer and never let PCP know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.look a little further into Mayo Clinic, especially satellites in Scottsdale and Jacksonville and the stench will nauseate. They do not take Medicare Assignment and charge patients 15% above what Medicare allows.  Mayo actually sent out a letter to their patients stating that they know that their patients would like to pay them more money than what is allowed but the patient&#8217;s insurance companies will not allow it.</p>
<p>They have been known to send patient home from ER without a thorough work up as surgeons decide who gets hospital beds. </p>
<p>We see some employees as patients. Mayo is not patient centered and not physician run. Administrative counsels don&#8217;t just fire they disenigrate confidence to the point of obliterating self esteem, trying to make them quit so they are not eligible for benefits. </p>
<p>Some community PCPs have challenged Mayo and then cannot get patient records unless patients sign for them, even though the PCP ordered the tests and referred the patient over to them. </p>
<p>They were formed as a surgery center and that is what they are best doing. Yes, they have great doctors in other areas, but surgery is their main behind the scenes focus. </p>
<p>When we see President Obama hold them up as cost effective we laugh as it is well known that their physicians do not work together side by side with patients, and to pad their bottom line they run tests like crazy with no regard to cost to patient, or insurance companies, never checking with PCPs to see what tests have already been done. We &#8220;lose&#8221; patients in the system when sending them over for one test they internally refer and never let PCP know.</p>
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		<title>By: Bhetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unnecessary testing based on no sound clinical reasoning seems to be hugely unethical to me. Largely the risks outweight benefits via the evidence base and a physician is first and foremost obliged to do no harm.

I thought House MD was meant to be divorced from reality in medicine, American or otherwise.

This clearly cannot be happening, you cannot offer anything in medicine simply because someone will pay for it. Is there no more to the picture?

Anyway, the sentiment seems to be towards phasing this out, which is a blessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unnecessary testing based on no sound clinical reasoning seems to be hugely unethical to me. Largely the risks outweight benefits via the evidence base and a physician is first and foremost obliged to do no harm.</p>
<p>I thought House MD was meant to be divorced from reality in medicine, American or otherwise.</p>
<p>This clearly cannot be happening, you cannot offer anything in medicine simply because someone will pay for it. Is there no more to the picture?</p>
<p>Anyway, the sentiment seems to be towards phasing this out, which is a blessing.</p>
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		<title>By: TrenchDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrenchDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are 2 key point you all are missing here. One is patient ascess to face to face time with physician and the other is reassurance.
In my practice I offer an executive health evaluation. I DO NOT accept insurance. My patients who choose to pay for this service are delighted to spend up 6 hours with me adressing their concerns and developing a treatment plan. Needless to say the response and compliance I am getting is tremendous compared to my 15 minute Medicare visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 2 key point you all are missing here. One is patient ascess to face to face time with physician and the other is reassurance.<br />
In my practice I offer an executive health evaluation. I DO NOT accept insurance. My patients who choose to pay for this service are delighted to spend up 6 hours with me adressing their concerns and developing a treatment plan. Needless to say the response and compliance I am getting is tremendous compared to my 15 minute Medicare visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarah</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/executive-physicals-and-what-the-mayo-clinic-doesnt-want-you-to-know.html/comment-page-1#comment-92178</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know about the executive physicals.  I agree that they have the potential to do harm (unnecessary radiation, biopsies, further testing, etc.); this is a discussion that the doctors ordering these tests should have with each patient.  Based on the risk benefit ratio, it may be that many people would not opt for this type of testing.  I don&#039;t think it should be forced on executives.  The companies&#039; money might be better spent on programs to help prevent disease in all employees - smoking cessation, exercise programs, diet education, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know about the executive physicals.  I agree that they have the potential to do harm (unnecessary radiation, biopsies, further testing, etc.); this is a discussion that the doctors ordering these tests should have with each patient.  Based on the risk benefit ratio, it may be that many people would not opt for this type of testing.  I don&#8217;t think it should be forced on executives.  The companies&#8217; money might be better spent on programs to help prevent disease in all employees &#8211; smoking cessation, exercise programs, diet education, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I didnt say medicare is paying for the physicals. I said they are helping pay for the machines that the &quot;affluent&quot; executives need. If 100 executives pay out of pocket, that doesn&#039;t even BEGIN to cover the cost. Does this make sense?

In addition, if you honestly believe that radiologists and physician owners of these machines are not pushing the scans to cover costs, then I don&#039;t know what else to say. But I personally do not own machines and do not profit from scans. So as far as your point about physicians &quot;making up their minds&quot;, it&#039;s not most physicians. Please stop generalizing.

My original point is when you say its okay to let the &quot;affluent&quot; executives have their scans, I repeat, it is NOT okay, and it is harming everyone, including YOU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I didnt say medicare is paying for the physicals. I said they are helping pay for the machines that the &#8220;affluent&#8221; executives need. If 100 executives pay out of pocket, that doesn&#8217;t even BEGIN to cover the cost. Does this make sense?</p>
<p>In addition, if you honestly believe that radiologists and physician owners of these machines are not pushing the scans to cover costs, then I don&#8217;t know what else to say. But I personally do not own machines and do not profit from scans. So as far as your point about physicians &#8220;making up their minds&#8221;, it&#8217;s not most physicians. Please stop generalizing.</p>
<p>My original point is when you say its okay to let the &#8220;affluent&#8221; executives have their scans, I repeat, it is NOT okay, and it is harming everyone, including YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridg</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/executive-physicals-and-what-the-mayo-clinic-doesnt-want-you-to-know.html/comment-page-1#comment-92120</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have problems with your article&#039;s title. &quot;...what Mayo clinic doesn&#039;t want you to know&quot; - Why does Mayo clinic not want me to know? It was a short post and it was not much of an argument. 

Sounded more like a rant to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have problems with your article&#8217;s title. &#8220;&#8230;what Mayo clinic doesn&#8217;t want you to know&#8221; &#8211; Why does Mayo clinic not want me to know? It was a short post and it was not much of an argument. </p>
<p>Sounded more like a rant to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/executive-physicals-and-what-the-mayo-clinic-doesnt-want-you-to-know.html/comment-page-1#comment-92092</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention - Medicare pays for these &quot;defensive&quot; scans as well - except the physicians say they aren&#039;t really defensive but necessary when they&#039;re submitting the bill presumably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention &#8211; Medicare pays for these &#8220;defensive&#8221; scans as well &#8211; except the physicians say they aren&#8217;t really defensive but necessary when they&#8217;re submitting the bill presumably.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/executive-physicals-and-what-the-mayo-clinic-doesnt-want-you-to-know.html/comment-page-1#comment-92091</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your analogy is inapt because Medicare (i.e. taxpayers) pay for scans that are “reasonably” indicated.&quot;

Then why are physicians constantly claiming that they perform test after test (which presumably includes scans) that aren&#039;t medically indicated but are solely for &quot;defensive&quot; purposes?  They claim the lawyers make them do it, but now you&#039;re telling me it&#039;s done for profit?  You guys should make up your minds and stick with a story, lest the public start questioning you more closely.

Medicare is almost certainly not paying for these executive physicals, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your analogy is inapt because Medicare (i.e. taxpayers) pay for scans that are “reasonably” indicated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then why are physicians constantly claiming that they perform test after test (which presumably includes scans) that aren&#8217;t medically indicated but are solely for &#8220;defensive&#8221; purposes?  They claim the lawyers make them do it, but now you&#8217;re telling me it&#8217;s done for profit?  You guys should make up your minds and stick with a story, lest the public start questioning you more closely.</p>
<p>Medicare is almost certainly not paying for these executive physicals, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAtt, you are the one not making sense. Your analogy is inapt because Medicare (i.e. taxpayers) pay for scans that are &quot;reasonably&quot; indicated. CArdiac CT is a perfect example. It&#039;s benefit is clear, but only in a minority of cases is it indicated. Do you not see how MAyo is likely pushing the scans more than is necessary to cover the cost of the machine? So a few &quot;executives&quot; can have the test they deem &quot;superior&quot;? And on YOUR dime???

This has nothing to do with medicine as a &quot;system&quot; (whatever that means). I&#039;m an internist in NY and I see this over-ordering of tests to cover the costs of newer technology, in an attempt to woo an un-saavy public, over-influenced by the internet and television ads, demanding MRI&#039;s of every organ. And I waste so much time explaining why that shouldn&#039;t be done, But according to you, if they can afford it, then I should just let them at it. That&#039;s why medicine is sucking lately. Thanks, Matt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAtt, you are the one not making sense. Your analogy is inapt because Medicare (i.e. taxpayers) pay for scans that are &#8220;reasonably&#8221; indicated. CArdiac CT is a perfect example. It&#8217;s benefit is clear, but only in a minority of cases is it indicated. Do you not see how MAyo is likely pushing the scans more than is necessary to cover the cost of the machine? So a few &#8220;executives&#8221; can have the test they deem &#8220;superior&#8221;? And on YOUR dime???</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with medicine as a &#8220;system&#8221; (whatever that means). I&#8217;m an internist in NY and I see this over-ordering of tests to cover the costs of newer technology, in an attempt to woo an un-saavy public, over-influenced by the internet and television ads, demanding MRI&#8217;s of every organ. And I waste so much time explaining why that shouldn&#8217;t be done, But according to you, if they can afford it, then I should just let them at it. That&#8217;s why medicine is sucking lately. Thanks, Matt.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t imply that at all.  One may be an excellent doctor and choose to charge less, work less, or may simply earn less because they live in a less affluent area.  Just as one may be an excellent architect and make the same choices.  

Either making more money or saving more of the taxpayers&#039; money in your case pervades, molests and fundamentally changes the practice of any profession.  You cannot divorce the two, because money is what is required for equipment, your salary, etc.  Someone pays for all those things, and that someone will affect your practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t imply that at all.  One may be an excellent doctor and choose to charge less, work less, or may simply earn less because they live in a less affluent area.  Just as one may be an excellent architect and make the same choices.  </p>
<p>Either making more money or saving more of the taxpayers&#8217; money in your case pervades, molests and fundamentally changes the practice of any profession.  You cannot divorce the two, because money is what is required for equipment, your salary, etc.  Someone pays for all those things, and that someone will affect your practice.</p>
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