<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Paul Ravetz: Can the art of medicine exist in the computer age?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:00:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Thomas Bailey</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-93317</link> <dc:creator>Thomas Bailey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:34:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-93317</guid> <description>HealthVault is one solution, which enables patients to send health information to the doctor. The Omron HEM-790 IT can connect to the computer, and can upload the data, enabling the doctor to track blood pressure more easily than during appointments.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HealthVault is one solution, which enables patients to send health information to the doctor. The Omron HEM-790 IT can connect to the computer, and can upload the data, enabling the doctor to track blood pressure more easily than during appointments.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sharon H, MLIS</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-91736</link> <dc:creator>Sharon H, MLIS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:33:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-91736</guid> <description>EMR is only a small part of the problem, and can be overcome as more tech-savvy people become clinicians.  What is more problematic is the increasing reliance upon tests over the word of the patient.  Clinicians don&#039;t know their patients, and they don&#039;t see them long enough to get to know them.  Yes, patients don&#039;t report perfectly, but neither do tests.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EMR is only a small part of the problem, and can be overcome as more tech-savvy people become clinicians.  What is more problematic is the increasing reliance upon tests over the word of the patient.  Clinicians don&#8217;t know their patients, and they don&#8217;t see them long enough to get to know them.  Yes, patients don&#8217;t report perfectly, but neither do tests.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Die Krankheitskarte</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-91574</link> <dc:creator>Die Krankheitskarte</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:34:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-91574</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;Garbage in, garbage out...&lt;/strong&gt;Art of medicine &#124; Electronic medical records &#124; Doctor-patient relationship Communication with your patient is the epitome of the Art of Medicine. It is vital that physician and patient understand each other. This includes not only what the patient say...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Garbage in, garbage out&#8230;</strong></p><p>Art of medicine | Electronic medical records | Doctor-patient relationship<br /> Communication with your patient is the epitome of the Art of Medicine. It is vital that physician and patient understand each other. This includes not only what the patient say&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Trusted.MD Network</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-91493</link> <dc:creator>Trusted.MD Network</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 06:21:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-91493</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;Art----Computer----Science----Patient...&lt;/strong&gt;Paul Ravetz: Can the art of medicine exist in the computer age?In today&#039;s post on KevinMD,  Paul Ravetz recognizes what most of us already understand (where the rubber hits the road).  Tell it to the HIT group, salivating  over the ARRA. ...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Art&#8212;-Computer&#8212;-Science&#8212;-Patient&#8230;</strong></p><p>Paul Ravetz: Can the art of medicine exist in the computer age?</p><p>In today&#8217;s post on KevinMD,  Paul Ravetz recognizes what most of us already understand (where the rubber hits the road).  Tell it to the HIT group, salivating  over the ARRA.</p><p> &#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr. Grumpy</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-91451</link> <dc:creator>Dr. Grumpy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 17:05:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-91451</guid> <description>Iffy issue. I do use an EMR, but patient&#039;s routinely tell me I&#039;m good at listening.I think it&#039;s an individual basis. Some docs are technophiles, and put that first. That ain&#039;t right.Some docs are so intent on listening, that they may forget a detail, and then it doesn&#039;t get entered later. That can also lead to problems.The key is a happy medium. Sometimes you just instinctively know when you shouldn&#039;t be typing away.I put routine info into the computer on the fly- like allergies, a medication list, etc.But for their current story (why they are there) I try to keep good eye contact and listen. I have a notepad in front off me, and while listening scribble stuff down so I don&#039;t forget details, while they talk. For some reason patients don&#039;t object to jotting down notes while we&#039;re talking, but would get irritated if I did the same on the computer. Maybe they assume I&#039;m actually surfing or sending email.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iffy issue. I do use an EMR, but patient&#8217;s routinely tell me I&#8217;m good at listening.</p><p>I think it&#8217;s an individual basis. Some docs are technophiles, and put that first. That ain&#8217;t right.</p><p>Some docs are so intent on listening, that they may forget a detail, and then it doesn&#8217;t get entered later. That can also lead to problems.</p><p>The key is a happy medium. Sometimes you just instinctively know when you shouldn&#8217;t be typing away.</p><p>I put routine info into the computer on the fly- like allergies, a medication list, etc.</p><p>But for their current story (why they are there) I try to keep good eye contact and listen. I have a notepad in front off me, and while listening scribble stuff down so I don&#8217;t forget details, while they talk. For some reason patients don&#8217;t object to jotting down notes while we&#8217;re talking, but would get irritated if I did the same on the computer. Maybe they assume I&#8217;m actually surfing or sending email.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-91450</link> <dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-91450</guid> <description>&quot;These records are much easier to access than our old paper charts. &quot; I would say that this claim is, at best, disputed.  Have you been around when the system goes down?  Or, heaven forbid, try to find useful information in the sea of data that is the EMR?  Paper has advantages: among them, simplicity, reliability, maintenance costs, and ease of implementation.I recognize the desire of some for EMRs, but that desire is far from universal.  I would urge you to understand the reasons for reluctance to depart from a standard before you go about instituting a new standard.  In doing so, you may increase your understanding of what is needed in that new standard.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These records are much easier to access than our old paper charts. &#8221;<br /> I would say that this claim is, at best, disputed.  Have you been around when the system goes down?  Or, heaven forbid, try to find useful information in the sea of data that is the EMR?  Paper has advantages: among them, simplicity, reliability, maintenance costs, and ease of implementation.</p><p>I recognize the desire of some for EMRs, but that desire is far from universal.  I would urge you to understand the reasons for reluctance to depart from a standard before you go about instituting a new standard.  In doing so, you may increase your understanding of what is needed in that new standard.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gregorius Bimantoro</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-91449</link> <dc:creator>Gregorius Bimantoro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 15:28:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-91449</guid> <description>I have read that EMR put to many items so physicians are too busy. Basic concept to make computer really help is making them as e-assistant, a system which doctors can ask for help like working with other medical personnel especially for information flow. Developing country like mine still have basic &quot;silly&quot; problem like late-adopter and not-yet-ready-to-type EMR, it&#039;s better to let our conversation recorded and analyzed better after face-to-face meeting.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read that EMR put to many items so physicians are too busy. Basic concept to make computer really help is making them as e-assistant, a system which doctors can ask for help like working with other medical personnel especially for information flow. Developing country like mine still have basic &#8220;silly&#8221; problem like late-adopter and not-yet-ready-to-type EMR, it&#8217;s better to let our conversation recorded and analyzed better after face-to-face meeting.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JunkMD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-91448</link> <dc:creator>JunkMD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 14:50:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-91448</guid> <description>I realize that many practices have successfully implemented EMRs.  We have had one for several years now and they are all slightly different.  Many of the core features are similar, though.  The problem we have with the EMR is data input.  The ability to retrieve information at your fingertips is great.  However, with data input, there is a tendency to create &quot;templates&quot; for commonly seen diagnoses.  When this happens, the note generation is quick but still has to be edited for the specifics of that patient.  If the patient doesn&#039;t have a diagnosis for which a template has been created, then you end up having to type in an entire note, essentially being your own transcriptionist.  This is a waste.I say all that to say that I have found that the best &quot;hybrid&quot; scenario is to use the electronic health record as a tool to quickly retrieve data but to still dictate notes and use a transcription service with fast turnaround and have that note scanned into the chart.  This enables the physician to spend more time with the patient, do more complete notes and documentation.  If we are relegated to assign patients to either &quot;templatable&quot; or &quot;non-templatable&quot; diagnoses, we are not doing what we trained to do.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that many practices have successfully implemented EMRs.  We have had one for several years now and they are all slightly different.  Many of the core features are similar, though.  The problem we have with the EMR is data input.  The ability to retrieve information at your fingertips is great.  However, with data input, there is a tendency to create &#8220;templates&#8221; for commonly seen diagnoses.  When this happens, the note generation is quick but still has to be edited for the specifics of that patient.  If the patient doesn&#8217;t have a diagnosis for which a template has been created, then you end up having to type in an entire note, essentially being your own transcriptionist.  This is a waste.</p><p>I say all that to say that I have found that the best &#8220;hybrid&#8221; scenario is to use the electronic health record as a tool to quickly retrieve data but to still dictate notes and use a transcription service with fast turnaround and have that note scanned into the chart.  This enables the physician to spend more time with the patient, do more complete notes and documentation.  If we are relegated to assign patients to either &#8220;templatable&#8221; or &#8220;non-templatable&#8221; diagnoses, we are not doing what we trained to do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Backus</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-91444</link> <dc:creator>Backus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:07:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-91444</guid> <description>I don&#039;t think entering information into an electronic medical record has to take any more time than entering it into a paper chart.  I have had problems at times with accessibility which have taken time away from patient encounters, because the program wouldn&#039;t come up or I couldn&#039;t log in, but otherwise, I type as fast as I hand write.  I try to do the same things I do when I&#039;m writing - look up to make eye contact, summarize what they&#039;re telling me, and other efforts to let them know I&#039;m listening as well as recording.The benefits can be pretty significant.  I&#039;m still only a med student, but at institutions that still use paper charts, there have been patients that I only have information from some random nurse&#039;s progress note, because it was legible.  Lots of specialized physicians probably put some pretty essential information into the chart, but if it&#039;s completely unreadable, it might as well have been thrown in the trash.  Pretty sad.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think entering information into an electronic medical record has to take any more time than entering it into a paper chart.  I have had problems at times with accessibility which have taken time away from patient encounters, because the program wouldn&#8217;t come up or I couldn&#8217;t log in, but otherwise, I type as fast as I hand write.  I try to do the same things I do when I&#8217;m writing &#8211; look up to make eye contact, summarize what they&#8217;re telling me, and other efforts to let them know I&#8217;m listening as well as recording.</p><p>The benefits can be pretty significant.  I&#8217;m still only a med student, but at institutions that still use paper charts, there have been patients that I only have information from some random nurse&#8217;s progress note, because it was legible.  Lots of specialized physicians probably put some pretty essential information into the chart, but if it&#8217;s completely unreadable, it might as well have been thrown in the trash.  Pretty sad.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: VendorMD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/05/paul-ravetz-can-the-art-of-medicine-exist-in-the-computer-age.html#comment-91443</link> <dc:creator>VendorMD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 12:38:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/?p=29884#comment-91443</guid> <description>Patients have complained to me many times that some physicians are so busy entering the data during a patient physician visit that the do not even look up. Physicians are usually late adopter of technology - and themselves have trouble managing their busy schedule and learning the new system simultaneously. The introducion of EMR will lead to new sets of etiquettes during a patient visit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patients have complained to me many times that some physicians are so busy entering the data during a patient physician visit that the do not even look up. Physicians are usually late adopter of technology &#8211; and themselves have trouble managing their busy schedule and learning the new system simultaneously.<br /> The introducion of EMR will lead to new sets of etiquettes during a patient visit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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