<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: When specialists provide primary care, and why patients aren&#8217;t complaining</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:27:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90388</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90388</guid> <description>I get paid the same as any generalist in my community for the same office CPT codes. And procedures come with mandatory post-procedural followup, usually 90 days, where none of the visits are paid. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What the complaining generalists envy is pay for procedures, not the hours of postoperative care involved, or the preoperative evaluation or the additional years required to master those procedures, or the added costs of materials and supplies to be able to do those procedures or the extra malpractice insurance costs involved.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And how many family doctors do OB or colposcopy or colonoscopy? All that is within the range of available practice options, if you want to bill for procedures. What I am hearing is whining about not getting procedural pay for non-procedural work. Here&#039;s news, specialists in so-called &quot;procedural&quot; specialties don&#039;t get that either. In fact, many office visits associated with those supposedly lucrative procedures are bundled with the procedural fee and get paid nothing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get paid the same as any generalist in my community for the same office CPT codes. And procedures come with mandatory post-procedural followup, usually 90 days, where none of the visits are paid.</p><p>What the complaining generalists envy is pay for procedures, not the hours of postoperative care involved, or the preoperative evaluation or the additional years required to master those procedures, or the added costs of materials and supplies to be able to do those procedures or the extra malpractice insurance costs involved.</p><p>And how many family doctors do OB or colposcopy or colonoscopy? All that is within the range of available practice options, if you want to bill for procedures. What I am hearing is whining about not getting procedural pay for non-procedural work. Here&#8217;s news, specialists in so-called &#8220;procedural&#8221; specialties don&#8217;t get that either. In fact, many office visits associated with those supposedly lucrative procedures are bundled with the procedural fee and get paid nothing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Rack, MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90323</link> <dc:creator>Michael Rack, MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90323</guid> <description>agree with anon 8:51&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a (sleep)specialist, I am paid at the same rate for office visits as a PCP.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree with anon 8:51</p><p>As a (sleep)specialist, I am paid at the same rate for office visits as a PCP.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90321</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90321</guid> <description>I just got a bill from my PCP.  Of course I didn&#039;t see my doctor, I saw one of the PAs because my doc was too busy-$290.  That&#039;s more than I spent on my first visit to a specialist I work with for a complicated medical condition.  I regret not having got to him instead.  At least I would have seen a doctor.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got a bill from my PCP.  Of course I didn&#8217;t see my doctor, I saw one of the PAs because my doc was too busy-$290.  That&#8217;s more than I spent on my first visit to a specialist I work with for a complicated medical condition.  I regret not having got to him instead.  At least I would have seen a doctor.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90316</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90316</guid> <description>Family practitioners have only themselves to blame.  The marketing of their work is exceedingly poor.  How would the public know, unless they read physician blogs, what the benefit of a family physician is, how they can save you money, etc?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Right now, to the public a doctor is a doctor is a doctor.  Where the treatment comes from doesn&#039;t matter .</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Family practitioners have only themselves to blame.  The marketing of their work is exceedingly poor.  How would the public know, unless they read physician blogs, what the benefit of a family physician is, how they can save you money, etc?</p><p>Right now, to the public a doctor is a doctor is a doctor.  Where the treatment comes from doesn&#8217;t matter .</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90315</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90315</guid> <description>do specialist actually get paid more or do they do more procedures that get reimbursed better?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have spoken to one of my friends who&#039;s a family physician and we get paid exactly the same for the same code?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do specialist actually get paid more or do they do more procedures that get reimbursed better?</p><p>I have spoken to one of my friends who&#8217;s a family physician and we get paid exactly the same for the same code?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90312</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90312</guid> <description>what does &#039;care provided at a specialist venue is coded at a higher rate&#039; mean?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what does &#8216;care provided at a specialist venue is coded at a higher rate&#8217; mean?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: thecountrydocreport</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90310</link> <dc:creator>thecountrydocreport</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90310</guid> <description>I&#039;d interpret this study as further evidence that our society still equates specialists with superior care despite many studies that show for many conditions better outcomes are achieved at lower cost with primary care.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One family physician colleague prefers be called a generalist and refers to specialists as partialists in his attempt to take some shine off of this apple.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d interpret this study as further evidence that our society still equates specialists with superior care despite many studies that show for many conditions better outcomes are achieved at lower cost with primary care.</p><p>One family physician colleague prefers be called a generalist and refers to specialists as partialists in his attempt to take some shine off of this apple.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90309</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:53:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90309</guid> <description>A number of my primary care patients have complicated problems with fairly toxic medications or medication combinations, I would not call follow up of those issues primary care.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There&#039;s also financial pressure on primary care physicians to let specialists handle follow up, especially on low paying but complicated Medicare patients.  When 25 grandmas come in expecting to get their laundry list of complicated chronic issues addressed at each 15 min. visit, most of us are happy to let the specialists take a few problems off the list.  I&#039;d rather spend more time and handle things at the primary care level but we can&#039;t do that at what Medicare pays and patients are resistant to coming in more frequently.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of my primary care patients have complicated problems with fairly toxic medications or medication combinations, I would not call follow up of those issues primary care.</p><p>There&#8217;s also financial pressure on primary care physicians to let specialists handle follow up, especially on low paying but complicated Medicare patients.  When 25 grandmas come in expecting to get their laundry list of complicated chronic issues addressed at each 15 min. visit, most of us are happy to let the specialists take a few problems off the list.  I&#8217;d rather spend more time and handle things at the primary care level but we can&#8217;t do that at what Medicare pays and patients are resistant to coming in more frequently.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90306</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90306</guid> <description>That&#039;s why increasing reimbursement for cognition is not a panacea.  Specialities do cognitive work as well  and can compete directly for those patients.   With any type of marketing most patients will choose the specialty.  A medicare patient that has a sprained ankle is offered the choice of her familiy doctor vs an orthopedic surgeon at two competing clinics, it&#039;s going to be an easy decision.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why increasing reimbursement for cognition is not a panacea.  Specialities do cognitive work as well  and can compete directly for those patients.   With any type of marketing most patients will choose the specialty.  A medicare patient that has a sprained ankle is offered the choice of her familiy doctor vs an orthopedic surgeon at two competing clinics, it&#8217;s going to be an easy decision.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Happy Hospitalist</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care.html#comment-90305</link> <dc:creator>The Happy Hospitalist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/when-specialists-provide-primary-care-and-why-patients-arent-complaining.html#comment-90305</guid> <description>The game is volume.  Do more make more. I wonder how many of those visits would be necessary if the doctor received a bundled yearly fee for taking care of the patient.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Take it or leave it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As opposed to come back every three months until the end of time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The game is volume.  Do more make more. I wonder how many of those visits would be necessary if the doctor received a bundled yearly fee for taking care of the patient.</p><p>Take it or leave it.</p><p>As opposed to come back every three months until the end of time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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