<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Did the Canadian health system fail Natasha Richardson?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:05:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90611</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90611</guid> <description>The one thing I want to point out is that there are a LOT of places in the U.S. that don&#039;t have access to helicopters - or hospitals or more than a countyr doctor.  Those places tend to be remote/rural.  To make this some big Canada v. US healthcare debate is stupid.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to the issue why the first ambulance went away...isn&#039;t it a person&#039;s right to refuse treatment if s/he doesn&#039;t see anything wrong?  My understanding is that you are absolutely within your rights to do so.  It is a tragedy that there were no initial symptoms (as everyone says, this is common) and she did not seek immediate medical attention.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is easy to look back (knowing the diagnosis) and tell the doctors what they should have done.  But the medical professionals on hand made their best diagnosis given the tools they had and the symptoms that had been presented.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a terrible tragedy, but one that could have happened all over the US as well as in Canada.  It is fair to question whether the health care system played a role, but let&#039;s not over-romanticize the US here...the overall system covers rural areas and not just the big cities.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing I want to point out is that there are a LOT of places in the U.S. that don&#8217;t have access to helicopters &#8211; or hospitals or more than a countyr doctor.  Those places tend to be remote/rural.  To make this some big Canada v. US healthcare debate is stupid.</p><p>As to the issue why the first ambulance went away&#8230;isn&#8217;t it a person&#8217;s right to refuse treatment if s/he doesn&#8217;t see anything wrong?  My understanding is that you are absolutely within your rights to do so.  It is a tragedy that there were no initial symptoms (as everyone says, this is common) and she did not seek immediate medical attention.</p><p>It is easy to look back (knowing the diagnosis) and tell the doctors what they should have done.  But the medical professionals on hand made their best diagnosis given the tools they had and the symptoms that had been presented.</p><p>This is a terrible tragedy, but one that could have happened all over the US as well as in Canada.  It is fair to question whether the health care system played a role, but let&#8217;s not over-romanticize the US here&#8230;the overall system covers rural areas and not just the big cities.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90571</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90571</guid> <description>Was there even a neurosurgeon in Montreal? A city of two million serving up to five million, when you include the surrounding area?  Give me a break. Of course there are many highly skilled neurosurgeons there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We now know that the ambulance took only about 45 minutes to make the trip.  It is doubtful that the helicopter could have done much better.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We also know that the local hospital had a ct scanner, and it is very likely the protocols would have required its use in this case (although they won&#039;t confirm it was used, for privacy reasons).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The rest, for now is speculation. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But it may leave the question of whether the ambulance service, the private resort, the private hotel, and the private ski patrollers did enough to get Ms. Richardson help at the earliest possible stage.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;None of that has anything to do with weaknesses in the &quot;socialized&quot; Canadian healthcare system.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was there even a neurosurgeon in Montreal? A city of two million serving up to five million, when you include the surrounding area?  Give me a break. Of course there are many highly skilled neurosurgeons there.</p><p>We now know that the ambulance took only about 45 minutes to make the trip.  It is doubtful that the helicopter could have done much better.</p><p>We also know that the local hospital had a ct scanner, and it is very likely the protocols would have required its use in this case (although they won&#8217;t confirm it was used, for privacy reasons).</p><p>The rest, for now is speculation.</p><p>But it may leave the question of whether the ambulance service, the private resort, the private hotel, and the private ski patrollers did enough to get Ms. Richardson help at the earliest possible stage.</p><p>None of that has anything to do with weaknesses in the &#8220;socialized&#8221; Canadian healthcare system.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Starbuc</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90558</link> <dc:creator>Starbuc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90558</guid> <description>Battle of the medical community rages on it seems in this case. As a 5th year surgical resident I&#039;ve learned trauma is about time. The time from injury to treatment often makes the difference between life and death. Of course she should have went with the 1st ambulance but that mistake alone should not have been a death sentence. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It was the 7-8 hours it took for her to reach a qualified hospital. My big question is this, why were &quot;burr holes&quot; NOT done at the first hospital with or without a CT Scan? It is the quickest and easiest way to decrease ICP. Put her in a medical coma, drill and go. I&#039;ve done &quot;burr holes&#039; in a patients room, no operating room required. The knew they would have to transport by ground and how long that would take. Why assist and maintain the heart and lungs when the brain is dying minute by minute. No medication can reduce ICP as effectively as burr holes, yet that was left out of the equation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe someday I&#039;ll learn different but to put being sued for malpractice over what needs to be done, is sad at best. No air lift service is even worse. Come into the 21st century Canada, you are way behind and this case has shown your faults to the world.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What my English countepart should have said was, you Canadian doc&#039;s need to grow a set of bollocks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battle of the medical community rages on it seems in this case. As a 5th year surgical resident I&#8217;ve learned trauma is about time. The time from injury to treatment often makes the difference between life and death. Of course she should have went with the 1st ambulance but that mistake alone should not have been a death sentence.</p><p>It was the 7-8 hours it took for her to reach a qualified hospital. My big question is this, why were &#8220;burr holes&#8221; NOT done at the first hospital with or without a CT Scan? It is the quickest and easiest way to decrease ICP. Put her in a medical coma, drill and go. I&#8217;ve done &#8220;burr holes&#8217; in a patients room, no operating room required. The knew they would have to transport by ground and how long that would take. Why assist and maintain the heart and lungs when the brain is dying minute by minute. No medication can reduce ICP as effectively as burr holes, yet that was left out of the equation.</p><p>Maybe someday I&#8217;ll learn different but to put being sued for malpractice over what needs to be done, is sad at best. No air lift service is even worse. Come into the 21st century Canada, you are way behind and this case has shown your faults to the world.</p><p>What my English countepart should have said was, you Canadian doc&#8217;s need to grow a set of bollocks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JimN</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90524</link> <dc:creator>JimN</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90524</guid> <description>Ummmm - American doctors don&#039;t have to be &#039;brave&#039; - they&#039;re INFORMED.  We have sufficient medical technology for our needs - unlike most of the rest of the world - which is exactly why the rest of the world comes here for the most complicated and costly procedures...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmm &#8211; American doctors don&#8217;t have to be &#8216;brave&#8217; &#8211; they&#8217;re INFORMED.  We have sufficient medical technology for our needs &#8211; unlike most of the rest of the world &#8211; which is exactly why the rest of the world comes here for the most complicated and costly procedures&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Katz</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90520</link> <dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:36:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90520</guid> <description>I&#039;m commenting from the US but I am familiar with Canada and the Laurentians having vacationed there a few times.  The road up to Mont Tremblant is a long winding journey from Montreal.  I can&#039;t imagine having to go down that small road while you are having an emergency.   When I first heard of the news, I thought the medics made a mistake taking her to the 40 minute away facility but then I realized that the first hospital is on the way to Montreal from Mont Tremblant.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since she had to be detetoriating fast after they picked her up from her hotel, maybe the medics thought based on her symptoms and history, a general surgeon could intervene. The tragedy was not having neurosurgeon at the location where they shot the CAT scan. Then there would be no need for  Montreal or choppers.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Vanessa Redgrave is an extraordinarily kind woman who has given so much to this world. I just hated to see her kind heart get broken this way.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m commenting from the US but I am familiar with Canada and the Laurentians having vacationed there a few times.  The road up to Mont Tremblant is a long winding journey from Montreal.  I can&#8217;t imagine having to go down that small road while you are having an emergency.   When I first heard of the news, I thought the medics made a mistake taking her to the 40 minute away facility but then I realized that the first hospital is on the way to Montreal from Mont Tremblant.</p><p>Since she had to be detetoriating fast after they picked her up from her hotel, maybe the medics thought based on her symptoms and history, a general surgeon could intervene. The tragedy was not having neurosurgeon at the location where they shot the CAT scan. Then there would be no need for  Montreal or choppers.</p><p>Vanessa Redgrave is an extraordinarily kind woman who has given so much to this world. I just hated to see her kind heart get broken this way.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90431</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90431</guid> <description>I&#039;m Canadian, and would like to add that the Canadian healthcare system is not all that it&#039;s cracked up to be. Did you know that Montreal for example does not help a medical helicopter?  Had such a helicopter been available, it could have taken Natasha more expediently to Montreal. US hospitals tend to have much more high tech, and savvy medical equipment, and unfortunately, it is true that a bed shortage can delay care even in emergency situations. This routinely, happens in Canada and des result in deaths. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I believe had the same accident happened in the US, that Ms. Richardson would have been more likely to survive, because her medical care would have been delivered expeditiously, in general all around better than what is available to Canadian residents. Doctor: Lack of medical helicopter cost Richardson&lt;br/&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090321/ap_on_re_us/natasha_richardson&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually, the province next door to Quebec, Ontario, had too frequently had to send neurosurgery patients to the US. These were trauma patients brought into the ER at busy Toronto hospitals. Due to the bed shortages, ER nurses and doctors had to scramble to find care. In the meantime, these delays meant that the patients were not getting a crucial operation and moving them would perhaps presents lead to further deterioration, brain damage, and possibly death that might otherwise be prevented if more immediate care was available at the Toronto hospital. There are many problems that exist in all provinces and territories throughout Canada.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Its important for Americans to keep in mind, when travelling to Canada, that healthcare may not be up to that received at home. If you get injured, rather than take a chance, go to the hospital, because it can take hours to get care in a Canadian emergency room. Often there are l-o-n-g delays. This even occurs when its necessary to send a person from a smaller hospital to a larger trauma centre.  In some cases this happens when the tertiary hospital lacks critical care beds. In  Canada this happens a lot, please be forewarned. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You might find the following interesting:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080119.neuro191/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Canadian, and would like to add that the Canadian healthcare system is not all that it&#8217;s cracked up to be. Did you know that Montreal for example does not help a medical helicopter?  Had such a helicopter been available, it could have taken Natasha more expediently to Montreal. US hospitals tend to have much more high tech, and savvy medical equipment, and unfortunately, it is true that a bed shortage can delay care even in emergency situations. This routinely, happens in Canada and des result in deaths.</p><p>I believe had the same accident happened in the US, that Ms. Richardson would have been more likely to survive, because her medical care would have been delivered expeditiously, in general all around better than what is available to Canadian residents. Doctor: Lack of medical helicopter cost Richardson<br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090321/ap_on_re_us/natasha_richardson" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090321/ap_on_re_us/natasha_richardson</a></p><p>Actually, the province next door to Quebec, Ontario, had too frequently had to send neurosurgery patients to the US. These were trauma patients brought into the ER at busy Toronto hospitals. Due to the bed shortages, ER nurses and doctors had to scramble to find care. In the meantime, these delays meant that the patients were not getting a crucial operation and moving them would perhaps presents lead to further deterioration, brain damage, and possibly death that might otherwise be prevented if more immediate care was available at the Toronto hospital. There are many problems that exist in all provinces and territories throughout Canada.</p><p>Its important for Americans to keep in mind, when travelling to Canada, that healthcare may not be up to that received at home. If you get injured, rather than take a chance, go to the hospital, because it can take hours to get care in a Canadian emergency room. Often there are l-o-n-g delays. This even occurs when its necessary to send a person from a smaller hospital to a larger trauma centre.  In some cases this happens when the tertiary hospital lacks critical care beds. In  Canada this happens a lot, please be forewarned.</p><p>You might find the following interesting:</p><p>“More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here.”</p><p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080119.neuro191/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080119.neuro191/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ERP</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90425</link> <dc:creator>ERP</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90425</guid> <description>I found it shocking that Quebec does not have a helicopter evacuation/medical transport system in place,like most other Canadian Provinces.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it shocking that Quebec does not have a helicopter evacuation/medical transport system in place,like most other Canadian Provinces.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr. Mary Johnson</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90421</link> <dc:creator>Dr. Mary Johnson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90421</guid> <description>More thoughts:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://drjshousecalls.blogspot.com/2009/03/natasha-richardson-medical-blogosphere.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More thoughts:</p><p><a href="http://drjshousecalls.blogspot.com/2009/03/natasha-richardson-medical-blogosphere.html" rel="nofollow">http://drjshousecalls.blogspot.com/2009/03/natasha-richardson-medical-blogosphere.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cockroach Catcher</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90414</link> <dc:creator>Cockroach Catcher</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90414</guid> <description>“After picking her up from the hotel, there was a 40-minute drive to the community hospital, the Centre Hospitalier Laurentien. She did have a CT scan there, and the decision was made within 2 hours to transport her to a tertiary care center, another hour away in Montreal.”&lt;br/&gt;Most Canadian papers I scanned seem to be saying the same thing. &lt;br/&gt;Why the delay? Why indeed!&lt;br/&gt;We are not looking at blame but in medicine we need to learn from mistakes of others. If such a famous and well off person cannot have the right treatment what chances do ordinary folks have.&lt;br/&gt;And you do not even need a CT scan or MRI, what is wrong with a simple but full neurological examination or do they no longer teach them that in the home of PBL.&lt;br/&gt;I remember the first ever lesson in Neurosurgery, given by a surgeon who looks like a movie star and drives a Ferrari was on burr hole. The burr hole was more impressive than his looks or Ferrari!&lt;br/&gt;Dr Cippen was right, if it is somewhere thousands of miles away from anywhere, a handyman’s drill would have saved her life.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://cockroachcatcher.blogspot.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Cockroach Catcher&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“After picking her up from the hotel, there was a 40-minute drive to the community hospital, the Centre Hospitalier Laurentien. She did have a CT scan there, and the decision was made within 2 hours to transport her to a tertiary care center, another hour away in Montreal.”<br />Most Canadian papers I scanned seem to be saying the same thing. <br />Why the delay? Why indeed!<br />We are not looking at blame but in medicine we need to learn from mistakes of others. If such a famous and well off person cannot have the right treatment what chances do ordinary folks have.<br />And you do not even need a CT scan or MRI, what is wrong with a simple but full neurological examination or do they no longer teach them that in the home of PBL.<br />I remember the first ever lesson in Neurosurgery, given by a surgeon who looks like a movie star and drives a Ferrari was on burr hole. The burr hole was more impressive than his looks or Ferrari!<br />Dr Cippen was right, if it is somewhere thousands of miles away from anywhere, a handyman’s drill would have saved her life.</p><p><a HREF="http://cockroachcatcher.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">The Cockroach Catcher</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/03/did-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha.html#comment-90410</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/03/did-the-canadian-health-system-fail-natasha-richardson.html#comment-90410</guid> <description>Thanks Evan, you echoed precisely what I was thinking and what bothered me more than anything, about all the points that delayed her care.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Evan, you echoed precisely what I was thinking and what bothered me more than anything, about all the points that delayed her care.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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