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	<title>Comments on: Should some doctors be restricted from prescribing narcotic pain medications?</title>
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		<title>By: j.</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/02/should-some-doctors-be-restricted-from.html/comment-page-1#comment-113562</link>
		<dc:creator>j.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A whole category of MDs/DOs should not lose &quot;scope of practice&quot; just because of a few dirty or inexperienced docs. If you follow some basic rules with patients it will expose bad behaviors which can then be dealt with by frequent office visits and contracts signed by patients. Narcotics should never be prescribed over the phone without office visit and no refills should be given after hours for any reason, any change in dosage or medication should require an office visit. Mid- level providers should not have that type of scope of practice to presribe narcotics or psychotrophics and Urgent Care and Hospitals should send records to PCPs and encourage patients to see their PCP asap for further evaluation (as PCPs will know if patient is &quot;drug-seeking&quot;). Hospitals should have a policy of letting PCPs know if patient is continually coming in with &quot;drug seeking&quot; behavior. Pharmacists should let prescribing physicians know if they have filled the script by another physician within the last few days. Med legal already encourages physicians to have patients on narcotics with signs of addiction to sign contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A whole category of MDs/DOs should not lose &#8220;scope of practice&#8221; just because of a few dirty or inexperienced docs. If you follow some basic rules with patients it will expose bad behaviors which can then be dealt with by frequent office visits and contracts signed by patients. Narcotics should never be prescribed over the phone without office visit and no refills should be given after hours for any reason, any change in dosage or medication should require an office visit. Mid- level providers should not have that type of scope of practice to presribe narcotics or psychotrophics and Urgent Care and Hospitals should send records to PCPs and encourage patients to see their PCP asap for further evaluation (as PCPs will know if patient is &#8220;drug-seeking&#8221;). Hospitals should have a policy of letting PCPs know if patient is continually coming in with &#8220;drug seeking&#8221; behavior. Pharmacists should let prescribing physicians know if they have filled the script by another physician within the last few days. Med legal already encourages physicians to have patients on narcotics with signs of addiction to sign contract.</p>
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		<title>By: rohin</title>
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		<dc:creator>rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems from what we learn in school is that if you are prudent in how you prescribe narcotics, look for signs of dependence versus tolerance versus addiction, then you can appropriately prescribe. Also, for instance, if you have patients presenting with fibromyalgia or chronic pain conditions whereby it is difficult to ascertain the cause of the pain, wouldn&#039;t it be smarter (in terms of risk management with DEA) to have them referred to a neurologist? With that said, you could limit your scope of CII prescribing. Also, note from what I was told in my law course, CIII - CV prescribing is being tracked as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, I don&#039;t understand what the scare is in terms of treating pain if you use appropriate agents. So, your more placebo type drug being Darvocet n-100, to tramadol (partial Mu agonist), to your hydrocodone/APAP combos, to other partial MU agonists, then to your natural opiods, and synthetic hi-potent agents like fentanyl or sufentanil.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And let&#039;s say a patient starts asking for stronger and stronger pain medications. Well then you can make the decision to refer the patient to a neurologist or pain clinic or decide to increase the strength along the lines indicated above. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So for example if a patient was in a car accident, which is affirmed, you go ahead and prescribe a controlled drug knowing that the patient, once recovered ought to be weened off the medication and hopefully should not be dependent on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems from what we learn in school is that if you are prudent in how you prescribe narcotics, look for signs of dependence versus tolerance versus addiction, then you can appropriately prescribe. Also, for instance, if you have patients presenting with fibromyalgia or chronic pain conditions whereby it is difficult to ascertain the cause of the pain, wouldn&#8217;t it be smarter (in terms of risk management with DEA) to have them referred to a neurologist? With that said, you could limit your scope of CII prescribing. Also, note from what I was told in my law course, CIII &#8211; CV prescribing is being tracked as well.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t understand what the scare is in terms of treating pain if you use appropriate agents. So, your more placebo type drug being Darvocet n-100, to tramadol (partial Mu agonist), to your hydrocodone/APAP combos, to other partial MU agonists, then to your natural opiods, and synthetic hi-potent agents like fentanyl or sufentanil.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s say a patient starts asking for stronger and stronger pain medications. Well then you can make the decision to refer the patient to a neurologist or pain clinic or decide to increase the strength along the lines indicated above. </p>
<p>So for example if a patient was in a car accident, which is affirmed, you go ahead and prescribe a controlled drug knowing that the patient, once recovered ought to be weened off the medication and hopefully should not be dependent on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin I checked out your link.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Duncan Cross comments from a patient perspective:  &quot;.....One of the most frustrating problems with health care in this country is the paranoia and ignorance surrounding pain and pain treatment.....&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyone who thinks this is not a problem in other countries is living in a dream world. The doctors go through the same problems with their own medical boards, the patients have their access problems, and prescription drug abuse is on the rise everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin I checked out your link.</p>
<p>Duncan Cross comments from a patient perspective:  &#8220;&#8230;..One of the most frustrating problems with health care in this country is the paranoia and ignorance surrounding pain and pain treatment&#8230;..&#8221; </p>
<p>Anyone who thinks this is not a problem in other countries is living in a dream world. The doctors go through the same problems with their own medical boards, the patients have their access problems, and prescription drug abuse is on the rise everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prohibition never worked and neither will this. It will only make it harder for legitimate patients to get this medication.  What drug will be next....?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prohibition never worked and neither will this. It will only make it harder for legitimate patients to get this medication.  What drug will be next&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: SarahW</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s ugly,  telling your patients you won&#039;t prescribe oxycontin or Fentanyl,  no matter what.   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Those long acting medicines are better at managing pain,  even &quot;musculoskeletal pain&quot;  scoffed at below,  and  useful at preventing  patterns of use that cause addiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s ugly,  telling your patients you won&#8217;t prescribe oxycontin or Fentanyl,  no matter what.   </p>
<p>Those long acting medicines are better at managing pain,  even &#8220;musculoskeletal pain&#8221;  scoffed at below,  and  useful at preventing  patterns of use that cause addiction.</p>
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		<title>By: cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/02/should-some-doctors-be-restricted-from.html/comment-page-1#comment-89885</link>
		<dc:creator>cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah alot of patients pain clinic shop so you have to be careful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah alot of patients pain clinic shop so you have to be careful</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually just tell patients I&#039;ve never written for Oxycontin or a Fentenyl patch and never will,  and and therefore they will have to go elsewhere if they want that particular medication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually just tell patients I&#8217;ve never written for Oxycontin or a Fentenyl patch and never will,  and and therefore they will have to go elsewhere if they want that particular medication.</p>
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