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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physicians started wearing white coats to prevent transferring infection between patients.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Over the years, it became associated with being a physician...the good old days, when hospitals would actually do laundry.  There was even a hierarchy:  Short coats for students, long coats for residents, and long coats with cloth buttons(frogs) for attendings...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the last 20 or so years, however, everyone started wearing white coats.  Nurses, techs, people who actually (gasp!) worked in labs, janitors, porters, etc.  And hospitals went from providing them daily, crisp and fresh, to providing the residents with a couple (to last their entire residency), to not providing them at all - and no laundry, either.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now, if physicians are going to walk around in grimy, filthy, coats (and many do, unfortunately) in the hospital or in their office, there&#039;s not much that can be done for them.  They&#039;re beyond caring about professional appearances, and so are probably beyond professional behavior.  After all, how hard is it to wash a coat when doing the laundry (a skill that most young physicians seem to have not learned, either - both sexes, too).  The &#039;modern&#039; polyester blend coat can be laundered (soap, bleach, hot water, just like your underwear) and hung to dry, it will never look good but at least it won&#039;t look bad.  And the stains do come out.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as not wearing them at all, if that is the case then we must do away with all other fomites:  STARTING WITH THE NECKTIE.  A sexist piece of stupidity, symbolizing how men (since women are excused from wearing them in the hospital) tie a ceremonial noose around their necks daily. It may be silk (or some god-awful synthetic) but it&#039;s still a noose, and usually affixed after ritualistically slashing ones throat in a process called &#039;shaving&#039;.  Not willing to submit to the &#039;system&#039;, I grew a beard:  Take that, you mindless drones!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But, lets not stop there:  ID badges (especially those on lanyards), stethoscopes, pagers, and all the rest of hospital impedimenta must be sterilized and sanitized, in the name of protecting our patients.  Carrying too much stuff?  Too bad, learn to do without.  If you have a little piece of paper in a pocket that can be lost, it WILL be lost - so don&#039;t have them at all.  Can&#039;t remember a drug dose?  Then why are you doing prescribing it?  Two Tylenol for everyone!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or, perhaps hospitals can just start providing and laundering the coats.  I think somehow I&#039;ll be able to remember my name, degree and specialty without seeing it on my coat, and I doubt that my patients care except as it helps them get better.  With a coat on my necktie stays in place, my impedimenta is hidden, and my patients, and my family, are safe.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I don&#039;t really care if my buttons are cloth or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physicians started wearing white coats to prevent transferring infection between patients.</p>
<p>Over the years, it became associated with being a physician&#8230;the good old days, when hospitals would actually do laundry.  There was even a hierarchy:  Short coats for students, long coats for residents, and long coats with cloth buttons(frogs) for attendings&#8230;</p>
<p>In the last 20 or so years, however, everyone started wearing white coats.  Nurses, techs, people who actually (gasp!) worked in labs, janitors, porters, etc.  And hospitals went from providing them daily, crisp and fresh, to providing the residents with a couple (to last their entire residency), to not providing them at all &#8211; and no laundry, either.  </p>
<p>Now, if physicians are going to walk around in grimy, filthy, coats (and many do, unfortunately) in the hospital or in their office, there&#8217;s not much that can be done for them.  They&#8217;re beyond caring about professional appearances, and so are probably beyond professional behavior.  After all, how hard is it to wash a coat when doing the laundry (a skill that most young physicians seem to have not learned, either &#8211; both sexes, too).  The &#8216;modern&#8217; polyester blend coat can be laundered (soap, bleach, hot water, just like your underwear) and hung to dry, it will never look good but at least it won&#8217;t look bad.  And the stains do come out.</p>
<p>As far as not wearing them at all, if that is the case then we must do away with all other fomites:  STARTING WITH THE NECKTIE.  A sexist piece of stupidity, symbolizing how men (since women are excused from wearing them in the hospital) tie a ceremonial noose around their necks daily. It may be silk (or some god-awful synthetic) but it&#8217;s still a noose, and usually affixed after ritualistically slashing ones throat in a process called &#8217;shaving&#8217;.  Not willing to submit to the &#8217;system&#8217;, I grew a beard:  Take that, you mindless drones!</p>
<p>But, lets not stop there:  ID badges (especially those on lanyards), stethoscopes, pagers, and all the rest of hospital impedimenta must be sterilized and sanitized, in the name of protecting our patients.  Carrying too much stuff?  Too bad, learn to do without.  If you have a little piece of paper in a pocket that can be lost, it WILL be lost &#8211; so don&#8217;t have them at all.  Can&#8217;t remember a drug dose?  Then why are you doing prescribing it?  Two Tylenol for everyone!</p>
<p>Or, perhaps hospitals can just start providing and laundering the coats.  I think somehow I&#8217;ll be able to remember my name, degree and specialty without seeing it on my coat, and I doubt that my patients care except as it helps them get better.  With a coat on my necktie stays in place, my impedimenta is hidden, and my patients, and my family, are safe.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t really care if my buttons are cloth or not.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it will do to hang up the dirty white coats, wearing a clean one is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The hospital is the correct facility for making this happen. Industrial laundry.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for ties, and while they may look neat, they are merely decoration and are better disposed of in a health care setting where fomites ought to be discouraged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it will do to hang up the dirty white coats, wearing a clean one is OK.</p>
<p>The hospital is the correct facility for making this happen. Industrial laundry.</p>
<p>As for ties, and while they may look neat, they are merely decoration and are better disposed of in a health care setting where fomites ought to be discouraged.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The solution is to get laundered coats at the hospital. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Many housestaff have lockers where they dump their coats (including the white coat--you don&#039;t want to bring than thing home.) Instead of putting it back in the locker, the coat ought to go in the laundry hamper, just like scrubs. The locker room is the logical place for that: clean coat pickup and dirty coat drop-off.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is true that coats become walking file cabinets. Don&#039;t know the answer to all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution is to get laundered coats at the hospital. </p>
<p>Many housestaff have lockers where they dump their coats (including the white coat&#8211;you don&#8217;t want to bring than thing home.) Instead of putting it back in the locker, the coat ought to go in the laundry hamper, just like scrubs. The locker room is the logical place for that: clean coat pickup and dirty coat drop-off.</p>
<p>It is true that coats become walking file cabinets. Don&#8217;t know the answer to all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun Pal Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arun Pal Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a medical student I always detested the white coat. In a tropical country, a white coat is a burden.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I fell in love with this garment. One does not see bacteria but blood, vomitus, urine, pus, spill from injections or IV fluids are the few of many things that my coat has protected me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The study in discussion points that dirty coats harbor bacteria. If somebody does not change his coat for month, I think they need more education and reinforcement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Its the habit that needs to be addressed and not the garment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a medical student I always detested the white coat. In a tropical country, a white coat is a burden.</p>
<p>But I fell in love with this garment. One does not see bacteria but blood, vomitus, urine, pus, spill from injections or IV fluids are the few of many things that my coat has protected me.</p>
<p>The study in discussion points that dirty coats harbor bacteria. If somebody does not change his coat for month, I think they need more education and reinforcement.</p>
<p>Its the habit that needs to be addressed and not the garment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and to answer &quot;The Clerk&#039;s&quot; comment, yes, you end up with everything hanging from your neck when you don&#039;t have pockets to fill. Female physicians often carry small purses around with them, which I&#039;m sure get laundered A LOT LESS than white coats would be laundered.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And for &quot;Buckeye Surgeon,&quot; they&#039;ve also implemented a &quot;bare below the elbow&quot; policy across the UK, and many areas are starting to enforce a no-neck tie policy, too. Who knows what&#039;s next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and to answer &#8220;The Clerk&#8217;s&#8221; comment, yes, you end up with everything hanging from your neck when you don&#8217;t have pockets to fill. Female physicians often carry small purses around with them, which I&#8217;m sure get laundered A LOT LESS than white coats would be laundered.</p>
<p>And for &#8220;Buckeye Surgeon,&#8221; they&#8217;ve also implemented a &#8220;bare below the elbow&#8221; policy across the UK, and many areas are starting to enforce a no-neck tie policy, too. Who knows what&#8217;s next?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a med student in the UK, white coats are a thing of the past. When the decision affects all hospitals and practices across the entire country, patients get used to the changes very quickly, and the authoritative connotations that come with the white coat are admonished. I&#039;d like to see some data proving/disproving that the white coat ban in the UK has been effective. Does anyone know of any current studies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a med student in the UK, white coats are a thing of the past. When the decision affects all hospitals and practices across the entire country, patients get used to the changes very quickly, and the authoritative connotations that come with the white coat are admonished. I&#8217;d like to see some data proving/disproving that the white coat ban in the UK has been effective. Does anyone know of any current studies?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason coats get so dirty is that they&#039;re basically briefcases. Coats don&#039;t get washed because people (me included) don&#039;t want to take out and possibly lose one of the 68 pieces of paper in the pockets or the book in the other pocket or the 4 pens in the coat pocket and the pager clipped to the inside pocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason coats get so dirty is that they&#8217;re basically briefcases. Coats don&#8217;t get washed because people (me included) don&#8217;t want to take out and possibly lose one of the 68 pieces of paper in the pockets or the book in the other pocket or the 4 pens in the coat pocket and the pager clipped to the inside pocket.</p>
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		<title>By: geena</title>
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		<dc:creator>geena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, they don&#039;t need to ban the white coat, they just need to wash it every day.  Just like scrubs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seriously?  People are wearing the same white coat into icky hospitals for weeks on end without washing it?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess there&#039;s no common sense class in med school? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they don&#8217;t need to ban the white coat, they just need to wash it every day.  Just like scrubs.</p>
<p>Seriously?  People are wearing the same white coat into icky hospitals for weeks on end without washing it?</p>
<p>I guess there&#8217;s no common sense class in med school? <img src='http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I talked to some European med students.  They told me that they dont have their own white coats.  Everytime they go to hospital, they grab a new one from the changing room that has been washed everyday.  Their white coats have short sleeves so that sleeves dont get touched by wounds and infection easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talked to some European med students.  They told me that they dont have their own white coats.  Everytime they go to hospital, they grab a new one from the changing room that has been washed everyday.  Their white coats have short sleeves so that sleeves dont get touched by wounds and infection easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hospital where I trained had a laundry where they supplied a fresh starched white coast 24/7 to any resident who dropped by.  We were admonished to do so often and the attendings would remind anyone with a limp coat to go get a fresh one.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being in the humid south, that was often twice a day.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I bet it saved lives.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The office is a problem though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hospital where I trained had a laundry where they supplied a fresh starched white coast 24/7 to any resident who dropped by.  We were admonished to do so often and the attendings would remind anyone with a limp coat to go get a fresh one.</p>
<p>Being in the humid south, that was often twice a day.  </p>
<p>I bet it saved lives.  </p>
<p>The office is a problem though.</p>
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