<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: How should we pay for primary care?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:57:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89475</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89475</guid> <description>Anonymous 6:46:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are you saying that chronic conditions such as hypertension and diabetes are not worth treating?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And who pays for medical care when people cannot afford it?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A amily practitioner</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous 6:46:</p><p>Are you saying that chronic conditions such as hypertension and diabetes are not worth treating?</p><p>And who pays for medical care when people cannot afford it?</p><p>A amily practitioner</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89472</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89472</guid> <description>Family  Practitioner: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If they do actually live longer as a result of better primary care, then they cost &quot;somebody&quot; more in the long run anyway.  The old dog about saving money just doesn&#039;t hunt anymore.   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Medical care is a private, not a public good and private individuals should pay for their own.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Family  Practitioner:</p><p>If they do actually live longer as a result of better primary care, then they cost &#8220;somebody&#8221; more in the long run anyway.  The old dog about saving money just doesn&#8217;t hunt anymore.</p><p>Medical care is a private, not a public good and private individuals should pay for their own.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89448</link> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89448</guid> <description>&quot;That will meet significant specialist resistance.&quot; Who cares!? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...besides the specialists themselves, obviously. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a Canadian medical student I&#039;m amazed at the little gold mines which exist in medicine. Things like colonoscopies, cataract surgeries, and much of radiology pay-out ridiculous amounts of money given the time and skill those things take.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As more and more of medicine starts being done entirely by computers (run of the mill radiology, reading ECGs) or at least heavily assisted by computers (internal medicine), I hope whiny, obsolete specialists aren&#039;t given the chance to stand in the way of progress.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That will meet significant specialist resistance.&#8221; Who cares!?</p><p>&#8230;besides the specialists themselves, obviously.</p><p>As a Canadian medical student I&#8217;m amazed at the little gold mines which exist in medicine. Things like colonoscopies, cataract surgeries, and much of radiology pay-out ridiculous amounts of money given the time and skill those things take.</p><p>As more and more of medicine starts being done entirely by computers (run of the mill radiology, reading ECGs) or at least heavily assisted by computers (internal medicine), I hope whiny, obsolete specialists aren&#8217;t given the chance to stand in the way of progress.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89443</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89443</guid> <description>Kevin, there are no ideas for fixing primary care that will not meet any opposition from some interest group.  Nevertheless, if this nation is serious about fixing the system, some groups will just have the suffer their loses.  I just hope it&#039;s to the benefit of the educated and self-helping patient.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, there are no ideas for fixing primary care that will not meet any opposition from some interest group.  Nevertheless, if this nation is serious about fixing the system, some groups will just have the suffer their loses.  I just hope it&#8217;s to the benefit of the educated and self-helping patient.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89441</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89441</guid> <description>The problem with comparing healthcare with a cell phone or cable is if the bill is not paid, the patient then loses their cell phone, or their cable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A better analogy is car care.  Most people can afford 3,000 mile oil and filter changes but still do not choose to do it.  As a result, they run the risk of a major breakdown which will cost them many times more.  Well, that&#039;s their problem right?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But here&#039;s the catch: if a patient chooses to not get check ups, such as someone with hypertension or diabetes, even if they are affordable, and then gets a major complication such as an MI, hyperosmolar coma, a stroke or renal failure, what should we do?  Then we,as a society, wind up footing the bill for the care, either through higher insurance rates, medicare/medicaid, or uncompensated care.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know someone will say, &quot;well, it&#039;s the patient&#039;s responsibility&quot; but that is a moot point.  The patient is then sick and needs more expensive care, and someone has to pay for it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A family practitioner</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with comparing healthcare with a cell phone or cable is if the bill is not paid, the patient then loses their cell phone, or their cable.</p><p>A better analogy is car care.  Most people can afford 3,000 mile oil and filter changes but still do not choose to do it.  As a result, they run the risk of a major breakdown which will cost them many times more.  Well, that&#8217;s their problem right?</p><p>But here&#8217;s the catch: if a patient chooses to not get check ups, such as someone with hypertension or diabetes, even if they are affordable, and then gets a major complication such as an MI, hyperosmolar coma, a stroke or renal failure, what should we do?  Then we,as a society, wind up footing the bill for the care, either through higher insurance rates, medicare/medicaid, or uncompensated care.</p><p>I know someone will say, &#8220;well, it&#8217;s the patient&#8217;s responsibility&#8221; but that is a moot point.  The patient is then sick and needs more expensive care, and someone has to pay for it.</p><p>A family practitioner</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carla Kakutani MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89440</link> <dc:creator>Carla Kakutani MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89440</guid> <description>I&#039;ve been following that WSJ thread for a couple of days. I just have to wonder, didn&#039;t anyone listen to President Obama&#039;s inauguration speech last week? Everyone is going to have to step to the plate to make change happen. In primary care, that means in order to get more money we need to be doing real care coordination and population management and really use our skills to improve quality and save the system money. Some primary care docs have adapted to the current financial environment by abandoning those skills (you can&#039;t really blame them, the system encourages that) and that gives subspecialists ammunition to say we don&#039;t deserve anything more. On the other side of the equation, the profession as a whole has got to admit that reimbursement in certain parts of the system is out of hand and creating the warped playing field we have now, with real public health consequences.&lt;br/&gt;If nobody is willing to budge, our infighting will keep us from showing real leadership. And without leadership this opportunity for healthcare reform may be lost, because there are lots of powerful interests perfectly happy to keep things as they are.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following that WSJ thread for a couple of days. I just have to wonder, didn&#8217;t anyone listen to President Obama&#8217;s inauguration speech last week? Everyone is going to have to step to the plate to make change happen. In primary care, that means in order to get more money we need to be doing real care coordination and population management and really use our skills to improve quality and save the system money. Some primary care docs have adapted to the current financial environment by abandoning those skills (you can&#8217;t really blame them, the system encourages that) and that gives subspecialists ammunition to say we don&#8217;t deserve anything more. On the other side of the equation, the profession as a whole has got to admit that reimbursement in certain parts of the system is out of hand and creating the warped playing field we have now, with real public health consequences.<br />If nobody is willing to budge, our infighting will keep us from showing real leadership. And without leadership this opportunity for healthcare reform may be lost, because there are lots of powerful interests perfectly happy to keep things as they are.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89434</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2009/01/how-should-we-pay-for-primary-care.html#comment-89434</guid> <description>In most cases, &quot;we&quot; shouldn&#039;t pay for it at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Primary care, when stripped of the extra overhead and inflated prices of third party payment, is not expensive enough for most patients  to need a prepayment system.  Many of our patients spend more on their cable and cellphone bills than they would keeping their blood pressure under control.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For those with many complicated illnesses and the destitute, of course we&#039;d need a safety net of some type.   Everyone should have a catastrophic policy of some type.  But that&#039;s no reason to keep primary care trapped in layers of bureaucracy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is more likely to save primary care than any complicated medical home schemes.  It may keep enough physicians in primary care to offer patients an alternative to just midlevels.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In most cases, &#8220;we&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t pay for it at all.</p><p>Primary care, when stripped of the extra overhead and inflated prices of third party payment, is not expensive enough for most patients  to need a prepayment system.  Many of our patients spend more on their cable and cellphone bills than they would keeping their blood pressure under control.</p><p>For those with many complicated illnesses and the destitute, of course we&#8217;d need a safety net of some type.   Everyone should have a catastrophic policy of some type.  But that&#8217;s no reason to keep primary care trapped in layers of bureaucracy.</p><p>This is more likely to save primary care than any complicated medical home schemes.  It may keep enough physicians in primary care to offer patients an alternative to just midlevels.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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