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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck specialists.  Those newly elected hope to create more of a primary care based system like those in Western Europe.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;that means less for you, and more for those delivering the primary care.  And there&#039;s ultimately nothing you can do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck specialists.  Those newly elected hope to create more of a primary care based system like those in Western Europe.  </p>
<p>that means less for you, and more for those delivering the primary care.  And there&#8217;s ultimately nothing you can do about it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Happy Hospitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/primary-care-backlash-begins.html/comment-page-1#comment-88704</link>
		<dc:creator>The Happy Hospitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon.  If you have read my blog, you would know that hospitalist medicine has left the contraints of the fixed pot of Medicare Part B.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s why it&#039;s thriving.  As far as leaving the program, that&#039;s exactly what doctors are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon.  If you have read my blog, you would know that hospitalist medicine has left the contraints of the fixed pot of Medicare Part B.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s thriving.  As far as leaving the program, that&#8217;s exactly what doctors are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Falchuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Falchuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Glauser sees a symptom but has misdiagnosed the cause.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He&#039;s right that primary care is in crisis, but misses that those docs see those 30 patients a day not so they can knock off early, but because they aren&#039;t getting paid enough per patient to cover their expenses.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That means they can&#039;t spend enough time with each one, which leads to some of the problems he complains of and many others with more serious consequences, like incorrect diagnosis and treatment.  There&#039;s plenty of data of the same problems at the specialist level, too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Dr. Glauser compounds his error by describing his conclusions in a way that makes it difficult to engage in thoughtful conversation.  That&#039;s too bad, because he likely has valuable insights from his experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Glauser sees a symptom but has misdiagnosed the cause.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s right that primary care is in crisis, but misses that those docs see those 30 patients a day not so they can knock off early, but because they aren&#8217;t getting paid enough per patient to cover their expenses.  </p>
<p>That means they can&#8217;t spend enough time with each one, which leads to some of the problems he complains of and many others with more serious consequences, like incorrect diagnosis and treatment.  There&#8217;s plenty of data of the same problems at the specialist level, too.</p>
<p>Dr. Glauser compounds his error by describing his conclusions in a way that makes it difficult to engage in thoughtful conversation.  That&#8217;s too bad, because he likely has valuable insights from his experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, they are.  And now they&#039;re turning on each other because of their failure of imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, they are.  And now they&#8217;re turning on each other because of their failure of imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose we can all just email Dr. Glauser our thoughtful concerns about his piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose we can all just email Dr. Glauser our thoughtful concerns about his piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t like the reimbursement of the pot, vote with your feet.  Leave it, and seek the reimbursement of other payers who value your services.  Why is this so hard to grasp?  Are you so tied to government money that you can&#039;t imagine another payer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t like the reimbursement of the pot, vote with your feet.  Leave it, and seek the reimbursement of other payers who value your services.  Why is this so hard to grasp?  Are you so tied to government money that you can&#8217;t imagine another payer?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And ER docs like him are so valuable because there&#039;s nothing they can&#039;t fix with their finger and the phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And ER docs like him are so valuable because there&#8217;s nothing they can&#8217;t fix with their finger and the phone.</p>
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		<title>By: The Happy Hospitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Happy Hospitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My position to the end of time.  The RVU system is intrinsically flawed.  In the setting of a fixed pot of money, known as Medicare Part B, for every winner there is a loser.  As long as reform is instituted within the confines of the fixed pot, there will always be a winner and a loser. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the pot is the problem get rid of the pot.  Until then, reform, will have to create winners and losers.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the fixed pot where value is skewed towards procedural interventions, the reason specialists make far more than generalists on a time based axis, far exceeding the educational value of their contribution, is because their value comes at the expense of devaluing primary care.  They collect what they do because primary care is undervalued.  And when you undervalue one aspect of care in a fixed pot, the other aspect reaps the benefit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Behold the massive procedural economic advantage of specialist medicine.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Arguing than my central lines are worth twice as much as my ICU work is ludicrous.  But that&#039;s the reality.  That&#039;s how RVU values things.  Specialists make more because they train longer, yes.  True.  BUT, they make MUCH MORE because generalists make less. That concept escapes many specialists who choose to take a blind eye towards to inequitable treatment of procedural medicine on a time based axis, when compared with cognitive based medicine.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s all relative.  Change the value of the pot, or change the distribution of the pot.  One or the other or both has got to occur for reform to take shape. Or get rid of the pot all together.  The pot was intended to control costs.  It has done everything but.  Why try and reform a broken system within the confines of a broken formula.  That&#039;s what Congress does best.  I would expect nothing less.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Until Congress OK&#039;s changing the value of the pot, the size of the pot, or abandons the pot, reform within the confines of the pot will always be a WIN-LOSE.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is no other way to say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My position to the end of time.  The RVU system is intrinsically flawed.  In the setting of a fixed pot of money, known as Medicare Part B, for every winner there is a loser.  As long as reform is instituted within the confines of the fixed pot, there will always be a winner and a loser. </p>
<p>If the pot is the problem get rid of the pot.  Until then, reform, will have to create winners and losers.  </p>
<p>In the fixed pot where value is skewed towards procedural interventions, the reason specialists make far more than generalists on a time based axis, far exceeding the educational value of their contribution, is because their value comes at the expense of devaluing primary care.  They collect what they do because primary care is undervalued.  And when you undervalue one aspect of care in a fixed pot, the other aspect reaps the benefit.</p>
<p>Behold the massive procedural economic advantage of specialist medicine.  </p>
<p>Arguing than my central lines are worth twice as much as my ICU work is ludicrous.  But that&#8217;s the reality.  That&#8217;s how RVU values things.  Specialists make more because they train longer, yes.  True.  BUT, they make MUCH MORE because generalists make less. That concept escapes many specialists who choose to take a blind eye towards to inequitable treatment of procedural medicine on a time based axis, when compared with cognitive based medicine.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all relative.  Change the value of the pot, or change the distribution of the pot.  One or the other or both has got to occur for reform to take shape. Or get rid of the pot all together.  The pot was intended to control costs.  It has done everything but.  Why try and reform a broken system within the confines of a broken formula.  That&#8217;s what Congress does best.  I would expect nothing less.</p>
<p> Until Congress OK&#8217;s changing the value of the pot, the size of the pot, or abandons the pot, reform within the confines of the pot will always be a WIN-LOSE.</p>
<p>There is no other way to say it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap.  This is the kind of antagonism that&#039;s found within medical community?  Maybe I should think twice before continuing with my pre-reqs...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PCP&#039;s are right though.  Damn the AMA.  Damn the RVS.  Damn congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap.  This is the kind of antagonism that&#8217;s found within medical community?  Maybe I should think twice before continuing with my pre-reqs&#8230;</p>
<p>PCP&#8217;s are right though.  Damn the AMA.  Damn the RVS.  Damn congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon 6:26...are you kidding?  This guy is a complete loser.  Nobody--least of all the thoughtful ED folks in my hospital--will give him any credence.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Primary care is 100% on the right side of this issue.  The position of those who oppose meaningful payment reform is completely indefensible, and they will lose.  If you&#039;re with them, you will lose.  (and buck up, if you&#039;re a rich procedurist, &quot;losing&quot; means still making a very nice income...just not quite enough for the Ferrari)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So let&#039;s double-down on the positions that have been articulated in this blog:&lt;br/&gt;Down with the AMA, which has stabbed primary care in the back.  &lt;br/&gt;Down with the procedural and imaging lobbies who, in defending a corrupt payment system, generate enormous pain, morbidity, mortality, and waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 6:26&#8230;are you kidding?  This guy is a complete loser.  Nobody&#8211;least of all the thoughtful ED folks in my hospital&#8211;will give him any credence.  </p>
<p>Primary care is 100% on the right side of this issue.  The position of those who oppose meaningful payment reform is completely indefensible, and they will lose.  If you&#8217;re with them, you will lose.  (and buck up, if you&#8217;re a rich procedurist, &#8220;losing&#8221; means still making a very nice income&#8230;just not quite enough for the Ferrari)</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s double-down on the positions that have been articulated in this blog:<br />Down with the AMA, which has stabbed primary care in the back.  <br />Down with the procedural and imaging lobbies who, in defending a corrupt payment system, generate enormous pain, morbidity, mortality, and waste.</p>
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