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	<title>Comments on: Poll: Are the Institute of Medicine&#8217;s recommended restrictions on residents&#8217; work hours good for medicine?</title>
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		<title>By: erawka</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/poll-are-institute-of-medicines.html/comment-page-1#comment-88986</link>
		<dc:creator>erawka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to &quot;My solution,&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The problem with that solution is that so many hospitals are already in pretty serious debt, and unfortunately, it does cost quite a lot to train residents. Limiting the hours of work that residents give, limiting their tuition, increasing their pay, and extending their training period will only add to already sky-high costs, and has no tangible benefit for the teaching institution. Except happier residents.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think the solution is to simply accept more residents. Honestly, there are plenty of well-qualified medical students, and even more well-qualified pre-med students who aren&#039;t getting into medical school in the first place. Although the institution might lose some money by training a few extra residents, it should allow for greater coverage (potentially lessening the amount of error due to shift changes), and maybe ensure everyone a few hours of sleep.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That being said, it&#039;s pretty clear that I do think these restrictions are a good thing, or will be in the long-run. Even if residents do get a bit of a wake up call when it comes time to practice, it makes sense not to completely overwhelm during training - when errors are already pretty likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to &#8220;My solution,&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with that solution is that so many hospitals are already in pretty serious debt, and unfortunately, it does cost quite a lot to train residents. Limiting the hours of work that residents give, limiting their tuition, increasing their pay, and extending their training period will only add to already sky-high costs, and has no tangible benefit for the teaching institution. Except happier residents.</p>
<p>I think the solution is to simply accept more residents. Honestly, there are plenty of well-qualified medical students, and even more well-qualified pre-med students who aren&#8217;t getting into medical school in the first place. Although the institution might lose some money by training a few extra residents, it should allow for greater coverage (potentially lessening the amount of error due to shift changes), and maybe ensure everyone a few hours of sleep.</p>
<p>That being said, it&#8217;s pretty clear that I do think these restrictions are a good thing, or will be in the long-run. Even if residents do get a bit of a wake up call when it comes time to practice, it makes sense not to completely overwhelm during training &#8211; when errors are already pretty likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon 11:57:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What you are advocating is abandonment of professionalism if you happen to think your reasons are good enough. As it happens, yours is not the only morally defensible position to take, whether you have a family or not. And what exactly justifies the idea that your family &quot;should come first,&quot; besides bald assertion? Please explain what philosophical verity makes that the case. Or is that your foundation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 11:57:</p>
<p>What you are advocating is abandonment of professionalism if you happen to think your reasons are good enough. As it happens, yours is not the only morally defensible position to take, whether you have a family or not. And what exactly justifies the idea that your family &#8220;should come first,&#8221; besides bald assertion? Please explain what philosophical verity makes that the case. Or is that your foundation?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/poll-are-institute-of-medicines.html/comment-page-1#comment-88860</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will happily turn in the beeper at the end of my shift.  My family comes first over my patients.  That is the only morally defensible position if you have a family.  Your family should come first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will happily turn in the beeper at the end of my shift.  My family comes first over my patients.  That is the only morally defensible position if you have a family.  Your family should come first.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern is the reinforcement of an entitlement ethic instead of a responsibility ethic.  How many people will just walk off and turn the beeper off figuring the &quot;they&quot; of the hospital staff will find someone to cover?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern is the reinforcement of an entitlement ethic instead of a responsibility ethic.  How many people will just walk off and turn the beeper off figuring the &#8220;they&#8221; of the hospital staff will find someone to cover?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/poll-are-institute-of-medicines.html/comment-page-1#comment-88827</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my solution-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. make residency a 40hr a week job&lt;br/&gt;2. double the length of residency training in years&lt;br/&gt;3. narrow the salary gap between residents and attendings (pay residents more and attendings less so that there isn&#039;t such a huge jump in pay once you graduate)&lt;br/&gt;4. make a medical education cost little to no money so  one comes out the other end with minimal debt&lt;br/&gt;5. eliminate the potential to &quot;lose it all&quot; in a lawsuit&lt;br/&gt;6. restore the public&#039;s respect for physicians&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;there. you have a profession that is respected and pays reasonably well but perhaps somewhat less than before in exchange for not graduating in 6-figure debt, not having to worry about a catastrophic lawsuit, and the career is more of a continuum rather than a limited years of torture followed by a lifetime of being &quot;set.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;now excuse me while i wait for hell to freeze over in the meanwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my solution-</p>
<p>1. make residency a 40hr a week job<br />2. double the length of residency training in years<br />3. narrow the salary gap between residents and attendings (pay residents more and attendings less so that there isn&#8217;t such a huge jump in pay once you graduate)<br />4. make a medical education cost little to no money so  one comes out the other end with minimal debt<br />5. eliminate the potential to &#8220;lose it all&#8221; in a lawsuit<br />6. restore the public&#8217;s respect for physicians</p>
<p>there. you have a profession that is respected and pays reasonably well but perhaps somewhat less than before in exchange for not graduating in 6-figure debt, not having to worry about a catastrophic lawsuit, and the career is more of a continuum rather than a limited years of torture followed by a lifetime of being &#8220;set.&#8221;</p>
<p>now excuse me while i wait for hell to freeze over in the meanwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Supremacy Claus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supremacy Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My surgeon friends complain. Recent hires are total, feminized wimps. &quot;I can&#039;t see this add on. I have to be at my son&#039;s soccer game.&quot; Thanks, IOM. New surgeons are totally wimpy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My surgeon friends complain. Recent hires are total, feminized wimps. &#8220;I can&#8217;t see this add on. I have to be at my son&#8217;s soccer game.&#8221; Thanks, IOM. New surgeons are totally wimpy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that none of these work hour restrictions apply in real life.  Once you finish Residency, as an Attending there is no magical institute that will protect your work hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that none of these work hour restrictions apply in real life.  Once you finish Residency, as an Attending there is no magical institute that will protect your work hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/poll-are-institute-of-medicines.html/comment-page-1#comment-88798</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The complexity for those of us who teach physicians is how we train  professionalism given the hour limitation.  Is it truly professional to leave at the end of your shift when your patient -- whom you have worked closely with the previous day, needs something specific one hour after your &quot;quitting time&quot; or should you hang around and &quot;tuck them in&quot;.  We wrestle with this every day. If I was the patient, I know what I&#039;d want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The complexity for those of us who teach physicians is how we train  professionalism given the hour limitation.  Is it truly professional to leave at the end of your shift when your patient &#8212; whom you have worked closely with the previous day, needs something specific one hour after your &#8220;quitting time&#8221; or should you hang around and &#8220;tuck them in&#8221;.  We wrestle with this every day. If I was the patient, I know what I&#8217;d want.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just starting making modafinil or amphetamine use mandatory to all residents? It&#039;d be a good opportunity to get some long-term, sustained-use data on some of those drugs, too. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just starting making modafinil or amphetamine use mandatory to all residents? It&#8217;d be a good opportunity to get some long-term, sustained-use data on some of those drugs, too. <img src='http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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