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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/is-it-wrong-to-send-delinquent-patient.html/comment-page-1#comment-92147</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked in the medical field as a biller for over 25 years and have seen my fair share of patients who simple do not want to pay their bills......whether it is copayments, coinsurance or deductibles.  Many of them simply don&#039;t understand their schedule of benefits with their insurance companies or know what their financial responsibility is going to be.   Some of them &quot;work&quot; the system by making claims that it is the staffs responsibility to inform them and if they don&#039;t, they don&#039;t pay.  The remainder are simply deadbeats. There is a small percentage that truly do have financial hardship and this needs to be proven with financial statements etc.  The mindset of most patients is that the doctors make plenty of money and can just &quot;write it off&quot; which is far from the truth, not to mention fraudulent.  We have so many patients that have received 6 or 7 statements, 2 collection letters and several phone calls and never return our calls UNTIL AFTER they have been turned over to a collection agency and then call us (usually very angry) and wonder why they were turned over.  Most medical offices, including mine, are more than willing to work out payment arrangements but the majority of patients never call to arrange this or don&#039;t return our calls when trying to reach them.  If they do set up arrangements, they usually default on them.  

I am all for using a collection agency after all means to collect from the billing department have failed.  The practice I work for adds on a collection fee that covers our percentage that the agency would keep and we usually wind up collecting 100% of the balance.  Those who don&#039;t pay....well it shows up on their credit report, probably along with the all their other unpaid bills.  

We do our best to inform patients of their benefits and estimated financial responsibility prior to procedures being done but it is ultimately THE PATIENT&#039;S RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW WHAT THEIR BENEFITS ARE.   

Physicians went through all those years of schooling to practice medicine, not to be creditors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked in the medical field as a biller for over 25 years and have seen my fair share of patients who simple do not want to pay their bills&#8230;&#8230;whether it is copayments, coinsurance or deductibles.  Many of them simply don&#8217;t understand their schedule of benefits with their insurance companies or know what their financial responsibility is going to be.   Some of them &#8220;work&#8221; the system by making claims that it is the staffs responsibility to inform them and if they don&#8217;t, they don&#8217;t pay.  The remainder are simply deadbeats. There is a small percentage that truly do have financial hardship and this needs to be proven with financial statements etc.  The mindset of most patients is that the doctors make plenty of money and can just &#8220;write it off&#8221; which is far from the truth, not to mention fraudulent.  We have so many patients that have received 6 or 7 statements, 2 collection letters and several phone calls and never return our calls UNTIL AFTER they have been turned over to a collection agency and then call us (usually very angry) and wonder why they were turned over.  Most medical offices, including mine, are more than willing to work out payment arrangements but the majority of patients never call to arrange this or don&#8217;t return our calls when trying to reach them.  If they do set up arrangements, they usually default on them.  </p>
<p>I am all for using a collection agency after all means to collect from the billing department have failed.  The practice I work for adds on a collection fee that covers our percentage that the agency would keep and we usually wind up collecting 100% of the balance.  Those who don&#8217;t pay&#8230;.well it shows up on their credit report, probably along with the all their other unpaid bills.  </p>
<p>We do our best to inform patients of their benefits and estimated financial responsibility prior to procedures being done but it is ultimately THE PATIENT&#8217;S RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW WHAT THEIR BENEFITS ARE.   </p>
<p>Physicians went through all those years of schooling to practice medicine, not to be creditors.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 02:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been through 35 surgeries and counting for the last twenty years living on very small fixed income. Below the poverty line. My insurance covers most but even trying to afford 40 dollars is like a thousand to me. The difference between eating and starving. Folks i got to tell you from my perspective being poor and disabled is no fun. Sick with hep c stage 4 chronic cirrhosis and needing a knee replacement just to mention two of the many things wrong with me that keep me from functioning in a work environment. I got the hep c from a blood transfusion back in 1988 before they screened the supply. Ok a brief synopsis of me. I love my country and consider myself a patriotic God fearing man. When i see the horrors of the medical/insurance community and how the poor is treated i almost lose faith in humanity. You all who have money better be on your knees and thanking the Lord above that you can afford health care and the ability to be able to work and i would advise anyone to think twice before they cast judgment from there high places on the poor and sick. Wow the arrogance. At least in Canada they take care of the sick no matter who it is for free. Ohh they say high taxes, it already is here. They say ohh you will have to wait to see someone. I wait two months to see my doc. This will eventually unravel even as we speak the system here is falling apart from greed and hypocrosy. I recently could not pay my Doctor bill of 45 dollars. The bill lady said i am sorry sir we will just have to let you go. After years of paying and struggling to the core they just dropped me like i was no one. I pray that doctors will remember why they became doctors. Not to be rich or glamorous but to help the sick and dying. God bless us please and help us all try to be more civil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been through 35 surgeries and counting for the last twenty years living on very small fixed income. Below the poverty line. My insurance covers most but even trying to afford 40 dollars is like a thousand to me. The difference between eating and starving. Folks i got to tell you from my perspective being poor and disabled is no fun. Sick with hep c stage 4 chronic cirrhosis and needing a knee replacement just to mention two of the many things wrong with me that keep me from functioning in a work environment. I got the hep c from a blood transfusion back in 1988 before they screened the supply. Ok a brief synopsis of me. I love my country and consider myself a patriotic God fearing man. When i see the horrors of the medical/insurance community and how the poor is treated i almost lose faith in humanity. You all who have money better be on your knees and thanking the Lord above that you can afford health care and the ability to be able to work and i would advise anyone to think twice before they cast judgment from there high places on the poor and sick. Wow the arrogance. At least in Canada they take care of the sick no matter who it is for free. Ohh they say high taxes, it already is here. They say ohh you will have to wait to see someone. I wait two months to see my doc. This will eventually unravel even as we speak the system here is falling apart from greed and hypocrosy. I recently could not pay my Doctor bill of 45 dollars. The bill lady said i am sorry sir we will just have to let you go. After years of paying and struggling to the core they just dropped me like i was no one. I pray that doctors will remember why they became doctors. Not to be rich or glamorous but to help the sick and dying. God bless us please and help us all try to be more civil.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Medical Office should be responsible for verifying the following before sending a patient to an outside collection agency:&lt;br/&gt;1. The patient was actually treated that day&lt;br/&gt;2. The procedure codes were billed correctly&lt;br/&gt;3. health insurance processed their payment &lt;br/&gt;4. The patient truly has an outstanding balance &lt;br/&gt;5. Several statements and a patient phone call (or 2,3) was attempted. &lt;br/&gt;**It&#039;s always nice to send a pre-collection letter or two as a last attempt. &lt;br/&gt;If no response from the patient then it is OK to send them to an outside collection agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Medical Office should be responsible for verifying the following before sending a patient to an outside collection agency:<br />1. The patient was actually treated that day<br />2. The procedure codes were billed correctly<br />3. health insurance processed their payment <br />4. The patient truly has an outstanding balance <br />5. Several statements and a patient phone call (or 2,3) was attempted. <br />**It&#8217;s always nice to send a pre-collection letter or two as a last attempt. <br />If no response from the patient then it is OK to send them to an outside collection agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What often happens is the hospital gets aggressive and gets paid while the doc gets nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What often happens is the hospital gets aggressive and gets paid while the doc gets nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When evaluating whether or not to send a patient to collections, a physician must first be absolutely certain that he or she is not guilty of patient abandonment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sadly, many patients are unilaterally terminated by physicians who &quot;brazenly withhold services as if they can do it with impunity.&quot; And, because most patients are entirely unaware that abandonment is considered medical malpractice, the proportion of physicians who engage in this practice is quite large compared to patients who are negligent about medical bills.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In my experience, as both a medical professional and consumer, patients who ignore the doctor-patient agreement and do not pay their bills do so because they do not have the money. On the other hand, physicians who ignore the doctor-patient agreement and unilaterally/abruptly terminate patients without providing adequate referrals do so because they do not have the empathy. (Most doctors will substitute &quot;empathy&quot; with &quot;time,&quot; but this still means that these physicians feel as though they should not be forced to spend any time helping a patient find appropriate care if they&#039;re not being paid for that time - regardless of what the AMA or the courts have to say about the matter.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If physicians do not start acting like healers instead of acting like dealers, then trust in the profession will never be restored, and more of these educated &quot;consumers&quot; will begin to realize that they&#039;ve been victims of a type of medical malpractice they never knew existed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or, because physicians think with their wallets instead of their hearts, think about it this way: a few hundred dollars from collections will never be worth the outstanding costs associated with a medical malpractice lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When evaluating whether or not to send a patient to collections, a physician must first be absolutely certain that he or she is not guilty of patient abandonment.</p>
<p>Sadly, many patients are unilaterally terminated by physicians who &#8220;brazenly withhold services as if they can do it with impunity.&#8221; And, because most patients are entirely unaware that abandonment is considered medical malpractice, the proportion of physicians who engage in this practice is quite large compared to patients who are negligent about medical bills.</p>
<p>In my experience, as both a medical professional and consumer, patients who ignore the doctor-patient agreement and do not pay their bills do so because they do not have the money. On the other hand, physicians who ignore the doctor-patient agreement and unilaterally/abruptly terminate patients without providing adequate referrals do so because they do not have the empathy. (Most doctors will substitute &#8220;empathy&#8221; with &#8220;time,&#8221; but this still means that these physicians feel as though they should not be forced to spend any time helping a patient find appropriate care if they&#8217;re not being paid for that time &#8211; regardless of what the AMA or the courts have to say about the matter.)</p>
<p>If physicians do not start acting like healers instead of acting like dealers, then trust in the profession will never be restored, and more of these educated &#8220;consumers&#8221; will begin to realize that they&#8217;ve been victims of a type of medical malpractice they never knew existed.</p>
<p>Or, because physicians think with their wallets instead of their hearts, think about it this way: a few hundred dollars from collections will never be worth the outstanding costs associated with a medical malpractice lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What truly galls me is the increasing number of folks who enter the office, resplendent in furs and jewelry, and fight with the desk over a 20 dollar copayment. Folks can pay 50 dollars for manicure and pedicure but somehow have a problem with paying the doctor bill. OK I&#039;m done now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What truly galls me is the increasing number of folks who enter the office, resplendent in furs and jewelry, and fight with the desk over a 20 dollar copayment. Folks can pay 50 dollars for manicure and pedicure but somehow have a problem with paying the doctor bill. OK I&#8217;m done now.</p>
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		<title>By: thecountrydocreport</title>
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		<dc:creator>thecountrydocreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently Johns Hopkins has received some unfair bad press in The Baltimore Sun about suing patients for unpaid medical bills, but in their response they clearly do this for a small, small percentage of patients meanwhile they provide considerable uncompensated charity care.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just because a physician goes after money owed aggressively should not imply that they are cold, callus, Scrooges.  Many of us, rural primary care docs, are just trying to pay our bills too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I blogged on the Johns Hopkins experience last week at The Country Doc Report. (http://thecountrydocreport.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/hospitals-doctors-struggle-with-how-far-to-go-to-collect/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently Johns Hopkins has received some unfair bad press in The Baltimore Sun about suing patients for unpaid medical bills, but in their response they clearly do this for a small, small percentage of patients meanwhile they provide considerable uncompensated charity care.</p>
<p>Just because a physician goes after money owed aggressively should not imply that they are cold, callus, Scrooges.  Many of us, rural primary care docs, are just trying to pay our bills too.</p>
<p>I blogged on the Johns Hopkins experience last week at The Country Doc Report. (<a href="http://thecountrydocreport.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/hospitals-doctors-struggle-with-how-far-to-go-to-collect/)" rel="nofollow">http://thecountrydocreport.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/hospitals-doctors-struggle-with-how-far-to-go-to-collect/)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bills I&#039;ve received for medical care since the late 1990s have been pretty much indecipherable. Though I&#039;ve never been delinquent in payment, I also can&#039;t say I understood what I was paying for. So, to some extent I think clearer statements -- less coding, fewer abbreviations, etc. - might encourage some to take their bills more seriously. I absolutely agree that the interaction between insurer and provider makes the process terribly confusing for the patient.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Both non-profit hospitals in this town received national negative publicity several years ago for excessive use of body attachments. Afterwards, they seemed to make a greater effort to at least help patients understand financial aid options available to them -- and have made that a central component of their marketing campaigns ever since. I suppose there&#039;s some advertising value to being kind and charitable, if you want to go that route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bills I&#8217;ve received for medical care since the late 1990s have been pretty much indecipherable. Though I&#8217;ve never been delinquent in payment, I also can&#8217;t say I understood what I was paying for. So, to some extent I think clearer statements &#8212; less coding, fewer abbreviations, etc. &#8211; might encourage some to take their bills more seriously. I absolutely agree that the interaction between insurer and provider makes the process terribly confusing for the patient.</p>
<p>Both non-profit hospitals in this town received national negative publicity several years ago for excessive use of body attachments. Afterwards, they seemed to make a greater effort to at least help patients understand financial aid options available to them &#8212; and have made that a central component of their marketing campaigns ever since. I suppose there&#8217;s some advertising value to being kind and charitable, if you want to go that route.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped sending patients to collection for two reasons&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1: The return rate was pitiful&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2: I have had experience on other side of the coin with these guys. Specifically someone with my name (different middle initial) who had unpaid debts. I would get phone calls asking my name then discussing my &quot;debt&quot;. I would point out they had the wrong person (including wrong middle initial) and more often than not deal with abusive responses. Folks, the people who work for these companies can be real jerks. It doesn&#039;t matter whether they have the right person the just want $$$. Finally, when insisting on talking with a supervisor (if I was not hung up on which happened 75% of the time). I would get removed from the list. Then in two weeks I would get calls from another collection agency. The same thing would start all over again. This has gone on for more than two years. Yes people should pay there bills, but given their pathetic reimbursement to you and their abusive nature when dealing with ANYBODY (from loser to upstanding citizen having a hard time, or even the wrong person as in my case) is this who you want collectng money in your good name? I think not. IMO most people will try to work out a payment plan if you call. For the chronic non-payers, give a 30 day written certified notice (with cause) and terminate the relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped sending patients to collection for two reasons</p>
<p>1: The return rate was pitiful</p>
<p>2: I have had experience on other side of the coin with these guys. Specifically someone with my name (different middle initial) who had unpaid debts. I would get phone calls asking my name then discussing my &#8220;debt&#8221;. I would point out they had the wrong person (including wrong middle initial) and more often than not deal with abusive responses. Folks, the people who work for these companies can be real jerks. It doesn&#8217;t matter whether they have the right person the just want $$$. Finally, when insisting on talking with a supervisor (if I was not hung up on which happened 75% of the time). I would get removed from the list. Then in two weeks I would get calls from another collection agency. The same thing would start all over again. This has gone on for more than two years. Yes people should pay there bills, but given their pathetic reimbursement to you and their abusive nature when dealing with ANYBODY (from loser to upstanding citizen having a hard time, or even the wrong person as in my case) is this who you want collectng money in your good name? I think not. IMO most people will try to work out a payment plan if you call. For the chronic non-payers, give a 30 day written certified notice (with cause) and terminate the relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it is wrong to send unpaid bills to a collector. Usually that is the end result of several written requests and notices and usually a notice of termination for non-payment. No one has a right to expect a creditor to forget about money owed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I have found the collections process futile. The recovery rates are so poor as to make the effort not worth the time. And when the rare case of a debtor wanting to make payment for service occurs, once a collector is contracted, even if they make no effort to collect, they are still due their percentage.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree with the poster above. Your energies are best devoted to prevention. Verify insurance. Hold your staff accountable for failing to do this. Insist on deposits whenever there are issues of ineligibility or inability to confirm. Have as much protective language in your practice paperwork as is allowed to pursur other payment as in credit card payment and interest on unpaid charges. Make sure you have accurate and up-to-date demographic information. Verify employment if claimed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is wrong to send unpaid bills to a collector. Usually that is the end result of several written requests and notices and usually a notice of termination for non-payment. No one has a right to expect a creditor to forget about money owed.</p>
<p>But I have found the collections process futile. The recovery rates are so poor as to make the effort not worth the time. And when the rare case of a debtor wanting to make payment for service occurs, once a collector is contracted, even if they make no effort to collect, they are still due their percentage.</p>
<p>I agree with the poster above. Your energies are best devoted to prevention. Verify insurance. Hold your staff accountable for failing to do this. Insist on deposits whenever there are issues of ineligibility or inability to confirm. Have as much protective language in your practice paperwork as is allowed to pursur other payment as in credit card payment and interest on unpaid charges. Make sure you have accurate and up-to-date demographic information. Verify employment if claimed.</p>
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