<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Is evidence-based medicine appropriate for the elderly?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:27:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Laika</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate.html#comment-89015</link> <dc:creator>Laika</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate-for-the-elderly.html#comment-89015</guid> <description>Kevin, this well written New York Times article is &lt;b&gt;NOT&lt;/b&gt; about Evidence Based Medicine. The word Evidence or EBM isn&#039;t even &lt;i&gt;mentioned&lt;/i&gt; in  the original article, so why do you choose to use it in the title? The paper by Jane Brody is entitled &quot;&lt;b&gt;cookbook medicine&lt;/b&gt; won&#039;t do it for Elderly&quot;. She describes that a doctor should always take into account the condition of elderly patients. Some 75-year olds being active and healthy, others having complex medical problems.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://search.twitter.com/search?q=+cookbook+EBM&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As already commented on twitter by four people including me&lt;/a&gt; EBM is no cookbook medicine. On the contrary, EBM does take the whole patient into account along with the evidence. EBM tries to find &amp; apply evidence that counts for a specific population. Unfortunately the evidence is often sparser for the young &amp; old.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, this well written New York Times article is <b>NOT</b> about Evidence Based Medicine. The word Evidence or EBM isn&#8217;t even <i>mentioned</i> in  the original article, so why do you choose to use it in the title? The paper by Jane Brody is entitled &#8220;<b>cookbook medicine</b> won&#8217;t do it for Elderly&#8221;. She describes that a doctor should always take into account the condition of elderly patients. Some 75-year olds being active and healthy, others having complex medical problems.</p><p><a HREF="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=+cookbook+EBM" REL="nofollow">As already commented on twitter by four people including me</a> EBM is no cookbook medicine. On the contrary, EBM does take the whole patient into account along with the evidence. EBM tries to find &amp; apply evidence that counts for a specific population. Unfortunately the evidence is often sparser for the young &amp; old.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Manalive</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate.html#comment-88957</link> <dc:creator>Manalive</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate-for-the-elderly.html#comment-88957</guid> <description>I wholeheartedly agree w/ Doc99.&lt;br/&gt;Sometimes I think evidence-based medicine is just a plot to forbid us docs from thinking.&lt;br/&gt;Treating the herd has its place; but I treat individual persons.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree w/ Doc99.<br />Sometimes I think evidence-based medicine is just a plot to forbid us docs from thinking.<br />Treating the herd has its place; but I treat individual persons.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doc99</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate.html#comment-88952</link> <dc:creator>Doc99</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate-for-the-elderly.html#comment-88952</guid> <description>One might ask if evidence-based medicine is appropriate for anyone? I&#039;d be curious to see Sir William Osler negotiating his way around Cochrane, P4P, NICE and whatever other acronyms are lurking about. Medicine has gone from an art based on science to a series of data points  in an endless series of metanalyses. Pardon me if I&#039;m skeptical but sometimes, as Obi Wan would say, a doctor has to trust his instincts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One might ask if evidence-based medicine is appropriate for anyone? I&#8217;d be curious to see Sir William Osler negotiating his way around Cochrane, P4P, NICE and whatever other acronyms are lurking about. Medicine has gone from an art based on science to a series of data points  in an endless series of metanalyses. Pardon me if I&#8217;m skeptical but sometimes, as Obi Wan would say, a doctor has to trust his instincts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate.html#comment-88928</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate-for-the-elderly.html#comment-88928</guid> <description>Isn&#039;t much of the research tainted by financial interests anyway?  Aren&#039;t many of the big shots on the committee&#039;s shills for the drug companies?  What about the gagillion times that the consensus has been wrong. Wouldn&#039;t the doctor who is &quot;in variation&quot; be the one who is doing right for his patients?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t much of the research tainted by financial interests anyway?  Aren&#8217;t many of the big shots on the committee&#8217;s shills for the drug companies?  What about the gagillion times that the consensus has been wrong. Wouldn&#8217;t the doctor who is &#8220;in variation&#8221; be the one who is doing right for his patients?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate.html#comment-88927</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate-for-the-elderly.html#comment-88927</guid> <description>Why should we reduce practice variability? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Isn&#039;t every person unique?  Why shouldn&#039;t their treatment be as well.  Aren&#039;t patients autonomous person&#039;s free to negotiate their care with physicians?  How can all those negotiations turn out the same.  Don&#039;t we all have different perceptions and tolerance of risks?  and different goals?  Why does a committee that doesn&#039;t know me have the right to impose a standardized desirable outcome based on their perception of what the goals of the doctor-patient encounter should be?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I work in UM and have been a medical director in an HMO.  I have went to all the meetings and seminars and heard all the &quot;reduce variation&quot; crap and still don&#039;t understand the implied logic whereby it substitutes for the concept of &quot;quality&quot;.  It is like using body counts as a measure of military success--it just doesn&#039;t compute and leads to a loss of perception of the real goal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The ultimate reduction in variation:  all the patients die.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should we reduce practice variability?</p><p> Isn&#8217;t every person unique?  Why shouldn&#8217;t their treatment be as well.  Aren&#8217;t patients autonomous person&#8217;s free to negotiate their care with physicians?  How can all those negotiations turn out the same.  Don&#8217;t we all have different perceptions and tolerance of risks?  and different goals?  Why does a committee that doesn&#8217;t know me have the right to impose a standardized desirable outcome based on their perception of what the goals of the doctor-patient encounter should be?</p><p>I work in UM and have been a medical director in an HMO.  I have went to all the meetings and seminars and heard all the &#8220;reduce variation&#8221; crap and still don&#8217;t understand the implied logic whereby it substitutes for the concept of &#8220;quality&#8221;.  It is like using body counts as a measure of military success&#8211;it just doesn&#8217;t compute and leads to a loss of perception of the real goal.</p><p>The ultimate reduction in variation:  all the patients die.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate.html#comment-88922</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/12/is-evidence-based-medicine-appropriate-for-the-elderly.html#comment-88922</guid> <description>This is a great topic that does not receive enough attention. Few cardiovascular research studies include patients older than 80; extrapolating results to this group is mere conjecture.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great topic that does not receive enough attention. Few cardiovascular research studies include patients older than 80; extrapolating results to this group is mere conjecture.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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