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	<title>Comments on: iPatients and the demise of the bedside physical exam</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;. . .result will be a generation of physicians who. . &quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Will be?  Already there.  I do a lot of QA work and the most consistent, indefensible quality problems are a simple result of not examining patients and taking a history.  It is a problem with older docs as well as younger but more so with the latter and they are more prone to be unapologetic about it.  The older guys at least are embarrassed that they didn&#039;t look or ask.  Some of the newbies think that their job is to work from the data in the chart and that the inadequacy of that data is someone elses responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. . .result will be a generation of physicians who. . &#8220;</p>
<p>Will be?  Already there.  I do a lot of QA work and the most consistent, indefensible quality problems are a simple result of not examining patients and taking a history.  It is a problem with older docs as well as younger but more so with the latter and they are more prone to be unapologetic about it.  The older guys at least are embarrassed that they didn&#8217;t look or ask.  Some of the newbies think that their job is to work from the data in the chart and that the inadequacy of that data is someone elses responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/ipatients-and-demise-of-bedside.html/comment-page-1#comment-88882</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very much agreed. The touch and ability to reason/assess is the skill we appreciate and value in physicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very much agreed. The touch and ability to reason/assess is the skill we appreciate and value in physicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Rogue Medic</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/ipatients-and-demise-of-bedside.html/comment-page-1#comment-88880</link>
		<dc:creator>Rogue Medic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You make a good point. I do not know of any studies comparing outcomes. I have seen plenty of anecdotal cases of misdiagnosis/mistreatment due to a focus on the equipment, rather than the patient. I would be surprised if the research did not show worse outcomes both physically and financially. This appears to be an area that could use some good objective research.</description>
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<p>You make a good point. I do not know of any studies comparing outcomes. I have seen plenty of anecdotal cases of misdiagnosis/mistreatment due to a focus on the equipment, rather than the patient. I would be surprised if the research did not show worse outcomes both physically and financially. This appears to be an area that could use some good objective research.</p>
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		<title>By: Rogue Medic</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/ipatients-and-demise-of-bedside.html/comment-page-1#comment-88879</link>
		<dc:creator>Rogue Medic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Without corroborating data with physical findings, this often leads to imprecise observations. Whether this can lead to unnecessary testing is unknown,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you do not see the patient, how do you know that what you are ordering is relevant? How do you know if you should be ordering something else?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you have an a patient with acute shortness of breath, refuses to lean back, because it makes breathing worse, very hypertensive, . . . do you order a BNP before seeing the patient? (Of course, this is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to imply that the BNP is useful for any competent ED physician.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The AHA did not even include, &lt;i&gt;Treat the patient, not the monitor&lt;/i&gt;, in the most recent ACLS publication. Perhaps this is to avoid offending the video game practitioners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Without corroborating data with physical findings, this often leads to imprecise observations. Whether this can lead to unnecessary testing is unknown,</i></p>
<p>If you do not see the patient, how do you know that what you are ordering is relevant? How do you know if you should be ordering something else?</p>
<p>If you have an a patient with acute shortness of breath, refuses to lean back, because it makes breathing worse, very hypertensive, . . . do you order a BNP before seeing the patient? (Of course, this is <i>not</i> to imply that the BNP is useful for any competent ED physician.)</p>
<p>The AHA did not even include, <i>Treat the patient, not the monitor</i>, in the most recent ACLS publication. Perhaps this is to avoid offending the video game practitioners.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/12/ipatients-and-demise-of-bedside.html/comment-page-1#comment-88878</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another big so what posting.  is there any evidence from good randomized studies that ipatients do any worse that those with doctors hovering around them?  maybe this has more to do with doctors&#039; needs to appear several time an hour as &quot;great healers&quot; rather than mere technicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another big so what posting.  is there any evidence from good randomized studies that ipatients do any worse that those with doctors hovering around them?  maybe this has more to do with doctors&#8217; needs to appear several time an hour as &#8220;great healers&#8221; rather than mere technicians.</p>
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