Comments on: The intolerance of single payer supporters http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/11/intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html medical blog Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:44:11 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/11/intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html/comment-page-1#comment-88025 Anonymous Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:29:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/11/the-intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html#comment-88025 A single payor system is intolerant of any parallel payment systems--so by definition it's advocates are advocating an intolerant totalitarian system. Of course they are intolerant. A single payor system is intolerant of any parallel payment systems–so by definition it’s advocates are advocating an intolerant totalitarian system. Of course they are intolerant.

]]> By: Jon http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/11/intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html/comment-page-1#comment-88016 Jon Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:01:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/11/the-intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html#comment-88016 Well, the Canadian system doesn't allow non government insurance. And by all measures, Canadians have better population health than Americans. Well, the Canadian system doesn’t allow non government insurance. And by all measures, Canadians have better population health than Americans.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/11/intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html/comment-page-1#comment-88004 Anonymous Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:32:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/11/the-intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html#comment-88004 Of course there are more anti-single payor zealots. This is America founded on liberty by men who sacrificed their lives and fortunes for that higher value. Concerned family practitioner seems to think that his falling income is a reason to surrender that. Single payor can only be achieved by tyranny. "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice". You may not agree with those words, but as long as America tends the graves of the men who gave their lives for freedom, a great many will.<br/><br/>Only 3 nations outlaw private purchase of medical care outside of the government: North Korea, Cuba, and Canada--and in the latter 90% of Canadians live within 30 miles of the US where they are permitted to freely travel and purchase care of their choosing. Of course there are more anti-single payor zealots. This is America founded on liberty by men who sacrificed their lives and fortunes for that higher value. Concerned family practitioner seems to think that his falling income is a reason to surrender that. Single payor can only be achieved by tyranny. “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice”. You may not agree with those words, but as long as America tends the graves of the men who gave their lives for freedom, a great many will.

Only 3 nations outlaw private purchase of medical care outside of the government: North Korea, Cuba, and Canada–and in the latter 90% of Canadians live within 30 miles of the US where they are permitted to freely travel and purchase care of their choosing.

]]> By: Supremacy Claus http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/11/intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html/comment-page-1#comment-87990 Supremacy Claus Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:03:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/11/the-intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html#comment-87990 Proud to say. I have been banned from this site.<br/><br/>http://www.pnhp.org/blog/ Proud to say. I have been banned from this site.

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]]> By: sjdavidson http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/11/intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html/comment-page-1#comment-87984 sjdavidson Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:25:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/11/the-intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html#comment-87984 Not all who support PNHP are as narrowly focused as you assert. This is the USA and people can buy a Chevy (for a while, yet) or a Mercedes. Similarly, they might get a Chevy health plan from a central source (Federal government, other government, government owned corporation, other) paid for through a tax scheme and choose to spend disposable income for additional private insurance to get additional coverage/services. And that's just one of many approaches that could be embraced. Some will offer these suggestions when approached by PNHP.<br/><br/>Meanwhile, what do you say to the greedy doctors who give every external appearance of being in it only for the money and who won't listen to a presentation that raises questions and offers ideas and other choices for reform? /sjdmd Not all who support PNHP are as narrowly focused as you assert. This is the USA and people can buy a Chevy (for a while, yet) or a Mercedes. Similarly, they might get a Chevy health plan from a central source (Federal government, other government, government owned corporation, other) paid for through a tax scheme and choose to spend disposable income for additional private insurance to get additional coverage/services. And that’s just one of many approaches that could be embraced. Some will offer these suggestions when approached by PNHP.

Meanwhile, what do you say to the greedy doctors who give every external appearance of being in it only for the money and who won’t listen to a presentation that raises questions and offers ideas and other choices for reform? /sjdmd

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/11/intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html/comment-page-1#comment-87983 Anonymous Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:10:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/11/the-intolerance-of-single-payer-supporters.html#comment-87983 I agree that zealots do not help the situation.<br/>However, for every "single payor" zealot, there are many more anti-single payor zealots. How come you do not object to them?<br/><br/>When I was in med school in the early 90's, I had to endure many a blowhard attending bloviating aganist "socialized medicine" and "Billarycare", all of whom at the same time had their hands in the medicare cookie jar. They were all zealots in their belief, blind to any compromise and deaf to any discourse. Well, here we are, almost 20 years later: are we better off? From a primary care viewpoint, the answer is clearly no.<br/><br/>Am I for single payor? I honestly don't know. I know that things are pretty bleak for primary care at the present time. My income has not budged in 6 years, despite working harder. Because of inflation, I am making less money. <br/><br/><br/>Let's stop the bloviating and the labelling, and at long last, have a dialogue.<br/><br/>A concerned family practitioner I agree that zealots do not help the situation.
However, for every “single payor” zealot, there are many more anti-single payor zealots. How come you do not object to them?

When I was in med school in the early 90’s, I had to endure many a blowhard attending bloviating aganist “socialized medicine” and “Billarycare”, all of whom at the same time had their hands in the medicare cookie jar. They were all zealots in their belief, blind to any compromise and deaf to any discourse. Well, here we are, almost 20 years later: are we better off? From a primary care viewpoint, the answer is clearly no.

Am I for single payor? I honestly don’t know. I know that things are pretty bleak for primary care at the present time. My income has not budged in 6 years, despite working harder. Because of inflation, I am making less money.

Let’s stop the bloviating and the labelling, and at long last, have a dialogue.

A concerned family practitioner

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