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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/11/do-specialists-make-too-much-money.html/comment-page-1#comment-88983</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are all wrong. Radiologists make a lot because of supply and demand. There&#039;s not a lot of us and you guys keep ordering more studies. With the aging population and the decline of the physical exam, thats not going to change anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are all wrong. Radiologists make a lot because of supply and demand. There&#8217;s not a lot of us and you guys keep ordering more studies. With the aging population and the decline of the physical exam, thats not going to change anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;I thought the physical exam, cultures, and labs actually head something to do with diagnosis too. I guess we should just top to bottom CT everyone and let rads run the show. Please do let me know which antibiotics I need on my patient.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You act like thats not already happening, where I work it seems that everyone who steps foot in the ER gets a CT scan or some other imaging procedure. (Talk about not trusting your physical exam)The Radiologists are not to blame for that; we just read them, we don&#039;t order them. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And if you want to know what antibiotic to use for your pneumonia patient look it up in your pharmicopia...it takes 2 seconds...and 2 neurons to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;I thought the physical exam, cultures, and labs actually head something to do with diagnosis too. I guess we should just top to bottom CT everyone and let rads run the show. Please do let me know which antibiotics I need on my patient.&#8221;</p>
<p>You act like thats not already happening, where I work it seems that everyone who steps foot in the ER gets a CT scan or some other imaging procedure. (Talk about not trusting your physical exam)The Radiologists are not to blame for that; we just read them, we don&#8217;t order them. </p>
<p>And if you want to know what antibiotic to use for your pneumonia patient look it up in your pharmicopia&#8230;it takes 2 seconds&#8230;and 2 neurons to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, radiologists make a lot of money because:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;C. Medicare&#039;s system for calculating the practice expenses associated with imaging studies is unrealistic and results in ridiculous overpayments.  Technological advances have allowed each CT scanner to produce more CTs per day, but Medicare still pays as if the scanner were slower (with a higher capital cost per scan).  Because Medicare is such a big purchaser, it is impossible for private insurers to deviate too far from the CMS price schedule.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is the reason.  Period.  And re: B, are you kidding me?  The amount of money you radiologists make far exceeds any differences in malpractice premiums.  As for reason A, it&#039;s hard to know where to begin with such ignorance.  I suppose you&#039;ve never met a competent generalist.  Believe me...you barely see the tip of the diagnoses we make on history and exam alone (a truly valuable skill not quite mastered by most midlevels, unfortunately).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you need a little bedtime reading, treat yourself to a little Bob Berenson in Health Affairs.  You&#039;ll find it enlightening.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2008/02/13/interactions-between-the-sgr-and-rbrvs-making-sense-of-alphabet-soup/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Stay with me here. The per unit resource costs of services that mostly represent physician work should not be affected much by the quantity of services provided — the physician’s work component is a variable expense; that is, it is associated fully with each additional service provided.(4) In contrast, the per unit resource costs of heavily practice expense concentrated codes do vary with quantity because much of these practice expense components are fixed costs and, therefore, do not vary with each additional service provided. For example, the unit cost of imaging equipment declines as it is used more. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yet the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) does not try to alter RBRVS values for quantity changes, even when the unit cost of fixed office expenses predictably drops as the volume of services increases. Thus, even though advanced imaging services double over five years, fees are not adjusted downward; instead, the per unit profit keeps increasing as the quantity of services delivered increases, raising expenditures and further promoting the incentive for physicians to purchase imaging equipment to self-refer imaging services.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, radiologists make a lot of money because:</p>
<p>C. Medicare&#8217;s system for calculating the practice expenses associated with imaging studies is unrealistic and results in ridiculous overpayments.  Technological advances have allowed each CT scanner to produce more CTs per day, but Medicare still pays as if the scanner were slower (with a higher capital cost per scan).  Because Medicare is such a big purchaser, it is impossible for private insurers to deviate too far from the CMS price schedule.</p>
<p>That is the reason.  Period.  And re: B, are you kidding me?  The amount of money you radiologists make far exceeds any differences in malpractice premiums.  As for reason A, it&#8217;s hard to know where to begin with such ignorance.  I suppose you&#8217;ve never met a competent generalist.  Believe me&#8230;you barely see the tip of the diagnoses we make on history and exam alone (a truly valuable skill not quite mastered by most midlevels, unfortunately).  </p>
<p>If you need a little bedtime reading, treat yourself to a little Bob Berenson in Health Affairs.  You&#8217;ll find it enlightening.</p>
<p><a href="http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2008/02/13/interactions-between-the-sgr-and-rbrvs-making-sense-of-alphabet-soup/" rel="nofollow">http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2008/02/13/interactions-between-the-sgr-and-rbrvs-making-sense-of-alphabet-soup/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Stay with me here. The per unit resource costs of services that mostly represent physician work should not be affected much by the quantity of services provided — the physician’s work component is a variable expense; that is, it is associated fully with each additional service provided.(4) In contrast, the per unit resource costs of heavily practice expense concentrated codes do vary with quantity because much of these practice expense components are fixed costs and, therefore, do not vary with each additional service provided. For example, the unit cost of imaging equipment declines as it is used more. </p>
<p>Yet the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) does not try to alter RBRVS values for quantity changes, even when the unit cost of fixed office expenses predictably drops as the volume of services increases. Thus, even though advanced imaging services double over five years, fees are not adjusted downward; instead, the per unit profit keeps increasing as the quantity of services delivered increases, raising expenditures and further promoting the incentive for physicians to purchase imaging equipment to self-refer imaging services.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re:&quot; They play a bigger part in the total diagnostic process than any other physician&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I thought the physical exam, cultures, and labs actually head something to do with diagnosis too. I guess we should just top to bottom CT everyone and let rads run the show. Please do let me know which antibiotics I need on my patient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re:&#8221; They play a bigger part in the total diagnostic process than any other physician&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought the physical exam, cultures, and labs actually head something to do with diagnosis too. I guess we should just top to bottom CT everyone and let rads run the show. Please do let me know which antibiotics I need on my patient.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No physician should make less than $200,000/year. That&#039;s the minimum they deserve for all their hard work and sacrifice. If anyone thinks they work hard, try shadowing a doctor in the hospital for one day and you&#039;ll know what hard work is all about. Or do an overnight call with a resident. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Good medicine is expensive. Deal with it or settle for substandard care delivered by nurses and mid-levels. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the $2.3 trillion healthcare system, less than 10% is what physicians take home. We can easily afford to pay them more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No physician should make less than $200,000/year. That&#8217;s the minimum they deserve for all their hard work and sacrifice. If anyone thinks they work hard, try shadowing a doctor in the hospital for one day and you&#8217;ll know what hard work is all about. Or do an overnight call with a resident. </p>
<p>Good medicine is expensive. Deal with it or settle for substandard care delivered by nurses and mid-levels. </p>
<p>In the $2.3 trillion healthcare system, less than 10% is what physicians take home. We can easily afford to pay them more.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be happy to have a GP make the same amount as a general surgeon .... the minute the GP takes the same amount of call, works the same hours, etc.  You are really comparing apples and oranges here.  And when you cite dermatologists, the majority of their increase in income has not come from traditional medical care; it has come from one variety of cosmetics or another.  Generalists rightly have a beef with decreasing reimbursement, but so do most specialists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be happy to have a GP make the same amount as a general surgeon &#8230;. the minute the GP takes the same amount of call, works the same hours, etc.  You are really comparing apples and oranges here.  And when you cite dermatologists, the majority of their increase in income has not come from traditional medical care; it has come from one variety of cosmetics or another.  Generalists rightly have a beef with decreasing reimbursement, but so do most specialists.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radiologists make a lot of money because &lt;br/&gt;A.  They play a bigger part in the total diagnostic process than any other physician&lt;br/&gt;B.  They have permanent records of their mistakes, thus spiking the amount of money they need to combat litigious behavior.&lt;br/&gt;By attacking other specialties, you take away the focus on the bigger issue.  GPs should make more, but why at the expense of other specialties?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radiologists make a lot of money because <br />A.  They play a bigger part in the total diagnostic process than any other physician<br />B.  They have permanent records of their mistakes, thus spiking the amount of money they need to combat litigious behavior.<br />By attacking other specialties, you take away the focus on the bigger issue.  GPs should make more, but why at the expense of other specialties?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one has any business deciding who makes too much money.  The consumers should decide that via the free market--which is not what currently exists in medicine, but should.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess there is, deep down inside every person, a strong anti-freedom &quot;inner communists&quot;; and every person who asks the question &quot;does ..... make too much money&quot; is letting theirs show.  The market doesn&#039;t disburse money by how much the provider of the product &quot;deserves&quot; to make it by the ultimate value of their product or by how hard they worked to make it.  If it did, Madonna would be living on 5$ a  year and fishermen would make $500,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has any business deciding who makes too much money.  The consumers should decide that via the free market&#8211;which is not what currently exists in medicine, but should.  </p>
<p>I guess there is, deep down inside every person, a strong anti-freedom &#8220;inner communists&#8221;; and every person who asks the question &#8220;does &#8230;.. make too much money&#8221; is letting theirs show.  The market doesn&#8217;t disburse money by how much the provider of the product &#8220;deserves&#8221; to make it by the ultimate value of their product or by how hard they worked to make it.  If it did, Madonna would be living on 5$ a  year and fishermen would make $500,000.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So kevin once again the monolithic specialist rants. Infectious disease docs and endorcinologists make little if any more than PCP&#039;s. Heck some of these docs do a component of general IM to make ends meet. Should we give them a pay cut too? How about oncologists who had their payment system eviserated in 2005. Another pay cut for them too? The problem is kevin you can&#039;t see the whole picture. You have fallen into an us vs them mentality. General surgeons are not exactly &quot;well paid&quot; presently. Give them a cut too? As stated above there are some fields that do very well. But do you realize alot of rads big money comes from you and the rest of us ordering scans on the drop of a dime (as you pointed out last week). The issue is more complicated than us vs them. Most specialist&#039;s agree that PCP&#039;s underpayed. There may be some meoderate modifications to some procedural specialists pay, but if you think this while &quot;budget-neutral&quot; proposol is going to save primary care, may I suggest a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So kevin once again the monolithic specialist rants. Infectious disease docs and endorcinologists make little if any more than PCP&#8217;s. Heck some of these docs do a component of general IM to make ends meet. Should we give them a pay cut too? How about oncologists who had their payment system eviserated in 2005. Another pay cut for them too? The problem is kevin you can&#8217;t see the whole picture. You have fallen into an us vs them mentality. General surgeons are not exactly &#8220;well paid&#8221; presently. Give them a cut too? As stated above there are some fields that do very well. But do you realize alot of rads big money comes from you and the rest of us ordering scans on the drop of a dime (as you pointed out last week). The issue is more complicated than us vs them. Most specialist&#8217;s agree that PCP&#8217;s underpayed. There may be some meoderate modifications to some procedural specialists pay, but if you think this while &#8220;budget-neutral&#8221; proposol is going to save primary care, may I suggest a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replacing family physicians and internists with mid level practioners will make things worse.  The whole idea is to have the majority of well trained (7 years) physicians be operating at the primary care level, confidently handling most of the problems patients present with.  NP/PA&#039;s have less than 1/2 that training, and the training they have is much less intense.  They, by definition, will not have the experience and confidence to handle things at the primary care level, instead referring anything potentially concerning to the specialists.  Which is what we&#039;re trying to get away from in the first place.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So start aligning the incentives to encourage a redistribution of MDs to primary care, or continue to watch our health care system move closer to bankruptcy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replacing family physicians and internists with mid level practioners will make things worse.  The whole idea is to have the majority of well trained (7 years) physicians be operating at the primary care level, confidently handling most of the problems patients present with.  NP/PA&#8217;s have less than 1/2 that training, and the training they have is much less intense.  They, by definition, will not have the experience and confidence to handle things at the primary care level, instead referring anything potentially concerning to the specialists.  Which is what we&#8217;re trying to get away from in the first place.  </p>
<p>So start aligning the incentives to encourage a redistribution of MDs to primary care, or continue to watch our health care system move closer to bankruptcy.</p>
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