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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that We must compare SGU vs US schools. Lets be realistic, First 2 years of Medical school is all book work. Whether you are overseas doing it or at Harvard&#039;s Study Hall, its all about How MUCH effort you are willing to put. Students everyone hardly ever go to class, we have same books, same everything. Medicine is standardized pretty much everywhere you go. Plus SGU students do there clinicals in the USA, so that means we are in a sense getting a US education. and of course the medical profession all boils down to money, or should i say Less work and more pay, that is why everyone wants a specialty, and since demand is high and supply is also high for high paying professions, more preference is given to US students. If anyone recalls most Anesthesiologists, who got into residencies back in the early 90s were Foreign grads. Why? Less demand, less students, less supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that We must compare SGU vs US schools. Lets be realistic, First 2 years of Medical school is all book work. Whether you are overseas doing it or at Harvard&#8217;s Study Hall, its all about How MUCH effort you are willing to put. Students everyone hardly ever go to class, we have same books, same everything. Medicine is standardized pretty much everywhere you go. Plus SGU students do there clinicals in the USA, so that means we are in a sense getting a US education. and of course the medical profession all boils down to money, or should i say Less work and more pay, that is why everyone wants a specialty, and since demand is high and supply is also high for high paying professions, more preference is given to US students. If anyone recalls most Anesthesiologists, who got into residencies back in the early 90s were Foreign grads. Why? Less demand, less students, less supply.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say &quot;Although the difference in education quality is debatable&quot; it really isn&#039;t.  The students at SGU score higher then over 90% of the medical schools in the United States and the University puts out 4 times the number of medical students per year as the average school in the United States.  

Face it, the NYC students are just loosing out because this school has a better chance of providing for its alum.  

I hate to say it but you are seeing the changing of the old guard to the new guard when it comes to hospital boards and other areas in the medical community.  It is more likely that you will be on staff with a student from SGU than any other school.  Also if you went to a school like Harvard or Wayne State what are the odds of another person from your school doing a residency where you are?  If you are from SGU the odds are in your favor and you will also move up through the hospital and onto boards with your fellow SGU grads.  

Grenada&#039;s medical standards and the Standards of SGU are 1 of the first 4 nations reviewed by the united states and granted federal funding for students.  It is considered one of the top universities in the world outside of the United States and the students coming out of SGU are proving that they score better and learn more on the phase 1 and 2.  SGU has the lucky situation of being on a rock in the middle of nowhere and the students that attend that school have nothing else to do but study.  There are no go-karts or burger kings and no batting cages to distract from the real purpose of a soon to be provider of health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say &#8220;Although the difference in education quality is debatable&#8221; it really isn&#8217;t.  The students at SGU score higher then over 90% of the medical schools in the United States and the University puts out 4 times the number of medical students per year as the average school in the United States.  </p>
<p>Face it, the NYC students are just loosing out because this school has a better chance of providing for its alum.  </p>
<p>I hate to say it but you are seeing the changing of the old guard to the new guard when it comes to hospital boards and other areas in the medical community.  It is more likely that you will be on staff with a student from SGU than any other school.  Also if you went to a school like Harvard or Wayne State what are the odds of another person from your school doing a residency where you are?  If you are from SGU the odds are in your favor and you will also move up through the hospital and onto boards with your fellow SGU grads.  </p>
<p>Grenada&#8217;s medical standards and the Standards of SGU are 1 of the first 4 nations reviewed by the united states and granted federal funding for students.  It is considered one of the top universities in the world outside of the United States and the students coming out of SGU are proving that they score better and learn more on the phase 1 and 2.  SGU has the lucky situation of being on a rock in the middle of nowhere and the students that attend that school have nothing else to do but study.  There are no go-karts or burger kings and no batting cages to distract from the real purpose of a soon to be provider of health care.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing so many students going off to the Caribbean and such and coming to US to practice takes the competition away.  I know there are students who are poor academically and not qualified to become doctors at Caribbean, but US denied them on the spot.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think, ultimately it will come down to being academically smart and have great training.  If a patient dies or gets misdiagnosed by a doctor, the US health officials and law enforcement will investigate where you went to school, grades, etc.  I think more Caribbean students will have this problem, because there are so many students that are not fit to be doctors becoming doctors. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do I think, US medicial students get in USA med schools by very hard competition.  It&#039;s hard getting into medical school in US, stay in it or else you will be on probabtion or kicked out, it&#039;s hard to compete for great residencies knowing many US medical students have high passing rates and such.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Caribbean lacks that.  I do think if Caribbean were to have same standards as US Medical schools, many that been accepted to study Caribbean now or have become doctors, would not be doctors according to new competitive and strict guidelines.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are good number of Caribbean students who are smart and such, but the question is, do want to be at any hospital that give mediocre training or do you want to be put in best hospitals with exceptionally students and staff?  &lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s more important to be highly qualified in academics and training.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These SGU student boast saying they are equivilant to a US doctor, then why did you get rejected from a US medical anyways?&lt;br /&gt;SGU med student is not same as NYU med student or harvard.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I do know, since we seen how unethical practices by people who run operations expose years later, like you seen in Wall ST.&lt;br /&gt;There will be many cases of malpractice and such due to these Caribbean schools taking any person for studying.  There are good number of students who are not fit to be doctors.  It&#039;s matter of time when someone will sue them.  Caribbean schools are unethical when it comes to admissions process, have no guidelines and about profit schools.  I know many patients will sue many FMG.  Time will expose to scams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing so many students going off to the Caribbean and such and coming to US to practice takes the competition away.  I know there are students who are poor academically and not qualified to become doctors at Caribbean, but US denied them on the spot.  </p>
<p>I think, ultimately it will come down to being academically smart and have great training.  If a patient dies or gets misdiagnosed by a doctor, the US health officials and law enforcement will investigate where you went to school, grades, etc.  I think more Caribbean students will have this problem, because there are so many students that are not fit to be doctors becoming doctors. </p>
<p>What do I think, US medicial students get in USA med schools by very hard competition.  It&#8217;s hard getting into medical school in US, stay in it or else you will be on probabtion or kicked out, it&#8217;s hard to compete for great residencies knowing many US medical students have high passing rates and such.</p>
<p>Caribbean lacks that.  I do think if Caribbean were to have same standards as US Medical schools, many that been accepted to study Caribbean now or have become doctors, would not be doctors according to new competitive and strict guidelines.</p>
<p>There are good number of Caribbean students who are smart and such, but the question is, do want to be at any hospital that give mediocre training or do you want to be put in best hospitals with exceptionally students and staff?  <br />It&#8217;s more important to be highly qualified in academics and training.</p>
<p>These SGU student boast saying they are equivilant to a US doctor, then why did you get rejected from a US medical anyways?<br />SGU med student is not same as NYU med student or harvard.</p>
<p>What I do know, since we seen how unethical practices by people who run operations expose years later, like you seen in Wall ST.<br />There will be many cases of malpractice and such due to these Caribbean schools taking any person for studying.  There are good number of students who are not fit to be doctors.  It&#8217;s matter of time when someone will sue them.  Caribbean schools are unethical when it comes to admissions process, have no guidelines and about profit schools.  I know many patients will sue many FMG.  Time will expose to scams</p>
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		<title>By: integrativepsychiatry</title>
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		<dc:creator>integrativepsychiatry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an SGU grad with a very strong graduate and undergraduate school education. Maybe most people do get in to US schools, but I was amongst thoes who didnt. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Going to a foreign school has nothing to do with being a rich kid (the accusation in the times article). Everyone I know is maxed out on ridiculous loans. Why, cause we REALLY want to be doctors despite the odds stacked against us.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Med students will eventually figure out; your residency (and thus step scores) is the most critical component to your career in medicine. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I dont agree with foreign med schools being &#039;vocational&#039;, does that mean the rest of the world really doesnt practice &#039;true medicine?&#039; Thats a bit insulting to the rest of the world, no? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The ultimate equalizer is the USMLE step scores.  If people do well on them, they&#039;ll compete with US grads for residency appointments if the programs are willing to look at US or non-US citizen FMG applicants. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I however do not think this deal btw HHC and SGU was &#039;clean&#039;. My opinion is that SGU made an error &#039;pissing off&#039; NYC med schools which otherwise would have been wise to keep positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an SGU grad with a very strong graduate and undergraduate school education. Maybe most people do get in to US schools, but I was amongst thoes who didnt. </p>
<p>Going to a foreign school has nothing to do with being a rich kid (the accusation in the times article). Everyone I know is maxed out on ridiculous loans. Why, cause we REALLY want to be doctors despite the odds stacked against us.</p>
<p>Med students will eventually figure out; your residency (and thus step scores) is the most critical component to your career in medicine. </p>
<p>I dont agree with foreign med schools being &#8216;vocational&#8217;, does that mean the rest of the world really doesnt practice &#8216;true medicine?&#8217; Thats a bit insulting to the rest of the world, no? </p>
<p>The ultimate equalizer is the USMLE step scores.  If people do well on them, they&#8217;ll compete with US grads for residency appointments if the programs are willing to look at US or non-US citizen FMG applicants. </p>
<p>I however do not think this deal btw HHC and SGU was &#8216;clean&#8217;. My opinion is that SGU made an error &#8216;pissing off&#8217; NYC med schools which otherwise would have been wise to keep positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ross students are paying a thousand bucks a week tuition?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I thought that was about the tuition at private med schools these days, about 40-50 grand a year. Am I mistaken?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ross students are paying a thousand bucks a week tuition?</p>
<p>I thought that was about the tuition at private med schools these days, about 40-50 grand a year. Am I mistaken?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also a grad from St George, and the previous poster is right. The reisdency program I was in in Manhattan had less than FIVE PERCENT American grads in the IM program. AND there were only 4 St George grads per class. They were all from PAkistani schools and South American schools. Americans have been metriculating at foriegn schools for fifty or more years anyway. There&#039;s plenty of MD&#039;s who went to Italian med schools that I know.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the education, I had a 32 on my MCAT, and  I scored in the top 1% of the USMLE Step I, which beats a lot of the Ivy&#039;s (I assume. one percent is one percent).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Its not sour grapes. I congratulate the US guys who made it into top programs. I begrudge them nothing. I&#039;m saying that FMG&#039;s aren&#039;t doing anything worng. Period!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also a grad from St George, and the previous poster is right. The reisdency program I was in in Manhattan had less than FIVE PERCENT American grads in the IM program. AND there were only 4 St George grads per class. They were all from PAkistani schools and South American schools. Americans have been metriculating at foriegn schools for fifty or more years anyway. There&#8217;s plenty of MD&#8217;s who went to Italian med schools that I know.</p>
<p>As for the education, I had a 32 on my MCAT, and  I scored in the top 1% of the USMLE Step I, which beats a lot of the Ivy&#8217;s (I assume. one percent is one percent).</p>
<p>Its not sour grapes. I congratulate the US guys who made it into top programs. I begrudge them nothing. I&#8217;m saying that FMG&#8217;s aren&#8217;t doing anything worng. Period!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is interesting.  Considering the average MCAT for most midwestern med schools is a 28-30 and average GPA is a 3.6-3.8, I would like to hear what this Carribean schools stats are.  If these students are all so good being form the &quot;the ivies&quot;, why did they have to pay &quot;1,000 dollars a week&quot; for the privelege of being a student.  Do they have drug charges against them or something?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All I know is that anyone who wants to get into medical school gets into medical school.  It might take an extra year or settling for a DO school, but everyone gets in.  My question is why do these kids if they are so good end up at Carribean schools.  I guess I am not buying what you are selling anonymous 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is interesting.  Considering the average MCAT for most midwestern med schools is a 28-30 and average GPA is a 3.6-3.8, I would like to hear what this Carribean schools stats are.  If these students are all so good being form the &#8220;the ivies&#8221;, why did they have to pay &#8220;1,000 dollars a week&#8221; for the privelege of being a student.  Do they have drug charges against them or something?</p>
<p>All I know is that anyone who wants to get into medical school gets into medical school.  It might take an extra year or settling for a DO school, but everyone gets in.  My question is why do these kids if they are so good end up at Carribean schools.  I guess I am not buying what you are selling anonymous 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a medical student who thought my hospital had an exclusive contract with one of the hospitals (until I read the article this morning), it&#039;s frustrating to realize that another hundred or so students will be competing for the same spots at that hospital. Especially since I planned on doing some key rotations there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Given that our other choices are poor substitutes for those rotations, it&#039;s going to be a hell of a lottery this year.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is the first time any of my classmates had heard of it, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a medical student who thought my hospital had an exclusive contract with one of the hospitals (until I read the article this morning), it&#8217;s frustrating to realize that another hundred or so students will be competing for the same spots at that hospital. Especially since I planned on doing some key rotations there.</p>
<p>Given that our other choices are poor substitutes for those rotations, it&#8217;s going to be a hell of a lottery this year.</p>
<p>This is the first time any of my classmates had heard of it, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>residency spots being taken away from NYC students??? what a crock.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;NYC hospitals&#039; internal medicine residency programs are overwhelming stocked with foreign graduates, since american grads (even the crappiest of the crappy) are hitting the &quot;ROAD&quot; to lifestyle success ie. Radiology, Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Dermatology.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And the NY area med schools cry that they are at a competitive disadvantage??? they routinely place their students into rotations with VOLUNTARY local medical practices, themselves overwhelmingly staffed with FMG&#039;s.  And these schools (e.g. NYMC) don&#039;t pay these clinics &amp; doctors a single cent, all the while charging the students the highest tuitions in the country, even higher than many of the caribbean schools!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My school (the one quoted in the article) was filled with bright graduates of almost all the Ivies, Stanford, &amp; MIT.  Most of these were from NY, NJ, FL, and CA.  You can be sure that this caribbean school is more competitive than many midwestern &amp; southern schools in the US.  And many of our graduates went on to ace their board exams, which i remind you are required to do residency no matter where one graduates from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>residency spots being taken away from NYC students??? what a crock.  </p>
<p>NYC hospitals&#39; internal medicine residency programs are overwhelming stocked with foreign graduates, since american grads (even the crappiest of the crappy) are hitting the &quot;ROAD&quot; to lifestyle success ie. Radiology, Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Dermatology.</p>
<p>And the NY area med schools cry that they are at a competitive disadvantage??? they routinely place their students into rotations with VOLUNTARY local medical practices, themselves overwhelmingly staffed with FMG&#39;s.  And these schools (e.g. NYMC) don&#39;t pay these clinics &amp; doctors a single cent, all the while charging the students the highest tuitions in the country, even higher than many of the caribbean schools!</p>
<p>My school (the one quoted in the article) was filled with bright graduates of almost all the Ivies, Stanford, &amp; MIT.  Most of these were from NY, NJ, FL, and CA.  You can be sure that this caribbean school is more competitive than many midwestern &amp; southern schools in the US.  And many of our graduates went on to ace their board exams, which i remind you are required to do residency no matter where one graduates from.</p>
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