Carlat vs Medscape: Escalation

June 18, 2008

Taking on George Lundberg: “Like a cornered animal, Lundberg wildly lashes out all progressive forces in medicine.”



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{ 6 comments }

1 Dr. Val June 18, 2008 at 12:42 pm

I posted this at Daniel Carlat’s website:

Daniel – I certainly appreciate your interest in protecting physicians from hidden messaging and bias. But I must let you know that George Lundberg is not your enemy but your friend in this battle.

I used to work with George at the Medscape Journal, and I can tell you that there was no industry influence on what I did whatsoever. I worked meticulously to disclose any author’s conflicts of interest, and we never received a penny of direct funding for any content in the journal. Also note that the majority of Medscape’s CME is unsponsored.

If there are indeed sponsored CME articles on Medscape that demonstrate clear bias – then I’m sure that George would be the first to agree to correct and/or remove them from the site.

George is a thoughtful and ethical person – he is transparent, and understands where conflicts lie on many fronts. Let’s engage him in a positive way to move medical education forward in as objective a manner as possible.

2 R. W. Donnell June 18, 2008 at 4:24 pm

This is an attack piece which appeals to popular vitriol against industry (read: demagoguery). In today’s purge mentality, unfortunately, we judge educational and research content by the company it keeps. In his first post Carlat acknowledged that the CME article he trotted out as an example of bias was indeed accurate. But that doesn’t matter anymore. Ad hominem attacks against industry are now considered fair.

An important but long forgotten JAMA paper from 1993 (which I’ll blog about as time permits)called out this sort of thinking and predicted the rise of a new scientific McCarthyism. It was prescient. Scientific McCarthyism is here.

3 Supremacy Claus June 18, 2008 at 6:20 pm

One has to be kind to Carlat. He correctly has to face total defeat. The CEJA proposal against industry sponsorships was roundly and humiliatingly defeated. If the AMA holds true to form, this proposal ain’t never coming back.

The AMA received an intent to sue letter if it passed this rule. They would have committed suicide in the face of protracted, massive class action claims.

The AMA must immediately remove Dr. Levine from all AMA positions. This biased, left wing, clinician hater nearly destroyed the AMA by his irresponsible crusade to attack the clinician.

4 Anonymous June 19, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Tell me about the mechanics of this. What would be the idea behind the lawsuit?

Private organizations can’t create their own ethics rules?

5 Supremacy Claus June 19, 2008 at 5:42 pm

You and I may speak, think, or associate as we please. So may private clubs.

The AMA is not a private club. It is a quasi-governmental organization: 1) it can put doctors on trial, with lawyers, advocacy, rules of procedure, deliberations; 2) its sanctions carry the same hassles as ones by a licensing board; 3) many licensing boards choose to not write hundreds of regs, they just say, follow AMA Ethics guidelines.

As a quasi-governmental organization, it must obey the Constitution: 1) free speech; 2) the right to listen to speech; 3) interstate Commerce Clause precludes interference; 4) Supremacy Clause imposes these rights. The proposal would have violated the Constitution. A plaintiff, seeking a class action declaration, would get an injunction to stop the proposal. The violation of civil rights would carry damages and attorney fees under Section 1983 actions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1871

So, it goes beyond a constitutional tort and punitive damages, and this claim seeks all plaintiff attorney fees.

The content of speech cannot be punished ahead of some proven harm (planning a crime, alleging a false fact in defamation). None of the left wing ideologues can cite an example of harm from sponsored CME or sponsored anything else. When they say, influence to prescribe more expensive drugs, they get asked what drugs they would ingest themselves for the same condition. So patients get what the left wing hypocrites would prescribe for themselves.

Doctors have contracts with speakers bureaus. The proposal would have interfered with these contracts. This is another intentional tort subject to punitive damages.

The AMA is a CME provider. It competes for the $1.2 bil in sponsorships. This ethics proposal is to its economic advantage by limiting the competition. It should stop making CME or stop taking drug company ads or payments. Otherwise, the foreclosed payments would have gone to the AMA, med schools, inferior providers of CME. JAMA CME would have violated the ethics rule by the subsidy of its price by drug company ads.

Also, the AMA would have been referred to the Justice Department Anti-trust Division for its anti-competitive, self-serving regulation.

It would have been referred to the DOJ for a review of the elements of civil RICO. These are vague and elusive, so the AMA had exposure.

If someone could show an injury and these elements, damages treble, even for a class.

Your guess is as good as any on these elements:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/lit08.htm

Lawyers would have loved the spectacle of doctors attacking doctors. One has to refrain from hitting back the AMA, however, offensive to the clinician it gets. However, the AMA has been on a rampage against the clinician. This was the last straw in its campaign of oppression and left wing PC bashing of the doctor.
Playtime would have been over had they not tabled the proposal. Even if the AMA could get these claims dismissed on first pleading, the defense costs would have been in the $millions. Of course, these are not frivolous claims. They would not have been dismissed on first pleading. At the very least, the judge would have allowed discovery to proceed, a catastrophe for the AMA.The sky is the limit on any settlement offers.

Kevin has reported on another plan to bash clinician, the false, secret patient visiting and rating the doctor management of false symptoms. Stay tuned for the massive legal actions awaiting the AMA if undertakes sting operations against its own members.

6 James M. La Rossa Jr. June 23, 2008 at 1:49 pm

While certainly not a blanket defense of George Lundberg, MD, please recall that in 1999, Lundberg was ousted as editor of JAMA after publishing an article which examined the increase in oral sex among teenage girls which was attributable to their mistaken belief that this behavior did not put them at risk for HIV. Following the publishing of that article, the AMA “Leadership” purged Lundberg from the editorship because they felt the publication was politically motivated due to the then-ongoing Clinton/Lewinsky scandal. Soon thereafter, other publications (including ours) confirmed that Lundberg and JAMA was right on target and public attention was focused on this burgeoning health crisis. In my opinion, what happened to Lundberg was one of the most unjust chapters in all of medical publishing. It should be of little doubt why he threw his hat thereafter in the private sector with Medscape Web/MD.

Just something to keep in mind as this important new debate rages on. Best, j.

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