Comments on: Measles outbreak

By: Rogue Medic

Rogue Medic — Thu, 28 May 2009 07:34:10 +0000

Forced Anarchy,

As a victim of vaccine injuries, I am going to put in my 2 cents!

I guess that means Forced Anarchy is someone who does not understand medicine, but has a lawyer attacking the medical system for something not related to vaccines. Autism is not related to vaccines.

Measles is not a big deal, I am a collector of antique medical books, and it is interesting that measles in the early 50’s was often listed as mild, but you move forward to the 60’s when the vaccine came out suddenly it was a killer.

Measles was often mild in the 1950’s. Measles killed 4950 Americans from 1950 to 1959, inclusive.

Measles was often mild in the 1960’s. Measles killed 2690 Americans from 1960 to 1969, inclusive.

Measles was often mild in the 1970’s. Measles killed 310 Americans from 1970 to 1979, inclusive.

Measles was often mild in the 1980’s. Measles killed 63 Americans from 1980 to 1989, inclusive.

Measles was often mild in the 1990’s. Measles killed 102 Americans from 1990 to 1999, inclusive.

This often mild disease killed almost 5 thousand Americans during the period you want to return to.

If only Forced Anarchy had been there to tell them, It’s the measles get over it!i

Save us Forced Anarchy! Only you know the truth of this conspiracy, or whatever you are blaming everything on.

Here are the numbers from Reported Cases and Deaths from Vaccine Preventable Diseases, United States, 1950-2008. This is a pdf.

Year . . . Cases . . . . . Deaths

1950 . . . 319,124 . . . 468

1951 . . . 530,118 . . . 683

1952 . . . 683,077 . . . 618

1953 . . . 449,146 . . . 462

1954 . . . 682,720 . . . 518

1955 . . . 555,156 . . . 345

1956 . . . 611,936 . . . 530

1957 . . . 486,799 . . . 389

1958 . . . 763,094 . . . 552

1959 . . . 406,162 . . . 385

1960 . . . 441,703 . . . 380

1961 . . . 423,919 . . . 434

1962 . . . 481,530 . . . 408

1963 . . . 385,156 . . . 364

1964 . . . 458,083 . . . 421

1965 . . . 261,904 . . . 276

1966 . . . 204,136 . . . 261

1967 . . . 62,705 . . . . 81

1968 . . . 22,231 . . . . 24

1969 . . . 25,826 . . . . 41

1970 . . . 47,351 . . . . 89

1971 . . . 75,290 . . . . 90

1972 . . . 32,275 . . . . 24

1973 . . . 26,690 . . . . 23

1974 . . . 22,094 . . . . 20

1975 . . . 24,374 . . . . 20

1976 . . . 41,126 . . . . 12

1977 . . . 57,345 . . . . 15

1978 . . . 26,871 . . . . 11

1979 . . . 13,597 . . . . .6

1980 . . . 13,506 . . . . 11

1981 . . . 3,124 . . . . . 2

1982 . . . 1,714 . . . . . 2

1983 . . . 1,497 . . . . . 4

1984 . . . 2,587 . . . . . 1

1985 . . . 2,822 . . . . . 4

1986 . . . 6,282 . . . . . 2

1987 . . . 3,655 . . . . . 2

1988 . . . 3,396 . . . . . 3

1989 . . . 18,193 . . . . 32

1990 . . . 27,786 . . . . 64

1991 . . . 9,643 . . . . .27

1992 . . . 2,237 . . . . . 4

1993 . . . 312 . . . . . . 0

1994 . . . 963 . . . . . . 0

1995 . . . 309 . . . . . . 2

1996 . . . 508 . . . . . . 1

1997 . . . 138 . . . . . . 2

1998 . . . 100 . . . . . . 0

1999 . . . 100 . . . . . . 2

2000 . . . 86 . . . . . . .1

2001 . . . 116 . . . . . . 1

2002 . . . 44 . . . . . . .0

2003 . . . 56 . . . . . . .1

2004 . . . 37 . . . . . . .0

2005 . . . 66 . . . . . . .1

2006 . . . 55 . . . . . . NA

2007 . . . 43 . . . . . . NA

2008 . . . 132 . . . . . .NA

By: Saddend

Saddend — Thu, 28 May 2009 02:01:50 +0000

“Forced Anarchy”..I agree to a certain extent the validity of your argument. I am in my 60’s now but In my childhood the measles vacine was not available and at age 3 I caught the measles and it made me deaf. My sisters had it the same time and were fine afterwards, but there are some children, like myself, who become either deaf or blind.

By: GG Freeman

GG Freeman — Sun, 03 May 2009 01:29:00 +0000

Forget the moms who are afraid of autism, I've met mom after mom who doesn't want to get their kids vaccinated because, "Little Johnny got a little sick and didn't feel good for a few days after he got HIS shots."

This kind of makes you scratch your head and say, "Measles is better than that?"

My kids are vaccinated. I vote for bringing something deadly or at least debilitating back, polio maybe...

You start seeing cases of that... and guess who will be screaming for return of vaccination programs...

You guessed it... lawyers and their sheeple.

By: Diora

Diora — Mon, 05 May 2008 22:04:00 +0000

despite its capacity to kill ( mainly through secondary infection) the malnourished and stressed, the immune compromised, and the immune naive.

I don't think it's only malnhourished, stressed and immune compromized who are at risk - I could be wrong, if so, doctors will correct me. This is from "Encyclopedia of public health" (via this page - not sure about accuracy of this source, but I have no time to look.

Although measles is usually not severe in developed countries, it can lead to serious complications including diarrhea (8% of cases), ear infections (7%), pneumonia (6%), encephalitis (0.1%), subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE)(0.001%), and death (0.2%). Measles is much more serious in developing countries, causing about one million deaths annually during the 1990s. The case fatality rate can be as high as 25 percent, ....

.2% risk of death is high. Many of the drugs pulled of the market and resulting in a bunch of lawsuits had a much lower rate of complications. Not to mention that most of the popular preventive measures for chronic deseases in adults have much lower chance of benefit than preventing .2% chance of death. Yet people consider these measures a must for everyone while arguing against vaccinating their kids. Granted, it's not like polio, but it's not like the people who don't vaccinate their kids pick and choose. Today it's measles, tomorrow it'll be polio. In some countries people had epidemics of diphteria.

Additionally, normal healthy grown-ups are at much larger risk of complications than kids, not to mention pregnant women.

Anon, maybe throckmorton meant to say "blind"? Just a thought.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 05 May 2008 22:04:00 +0000

Measles and mumps will certainly return and vaccine complications will drop by definition if fewer vaccines are done.

And the disease complications, more dangerous and just as permanent, will grossly outweigh the drop in vaccine complications, most of which are theoretical at best.

Ordinarily I'd say the whole thing is Darwinian, so let them have their way. That they will degrade herd immunity does concern me some. What really concerns me is there will certainly be more litigation over failure to address rare disease in a timely manner. Rare because the disease was made rare by vaccination. So docs don't see the disease as much.

And of course, there will be litigation over good old "failure to warn".

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:01:00 +0000

Throckmorton,
Rubella is linked to deafness and other complications in infants born to mothers who contracted the illness during pregnancy, but deafness is not likely to directly result from rubella in the person who contracts rubella ex utero. Some treatments for measles had potential for damaging hearing.

By: Throckmorton

Throckmorton — Mon, 05 May 2008 12:50:00 +0000

I guess Forced Anarchy doesn’t realize that measles tends to make people deaf.

By: SarahW

SarahW — Sun, 04 May 2008 15:57:00 +0000

Diora, I don’t deny the existence of vulnerable persons, but following up on the last comment, I don’t think red measles can be placed in quite the same category as polio and smallpox, despite its capacity to kill ( mainly through secondary infection) the malnourished and stressed, the immune compromised, and the immune naive.

Wild measles has some risks, latent virus can cause serious illness down the road. I was immunized with measles vaccine in elementary school to prevent these. I’m not saying measles poses no risks, simply that I wonder if the population of the unvaccinated may not relflect the risk of the general population from measles.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 04 May 2008 13:00:00 +0000

naw it is not big deal. Let’s bring back smallpox and polio as well

By: Diora

Diora — Sun, 04 May 2008 03:38:00 +0000

Sarah, with all due respect, just because you had a mild case, doesn’t mean everyone has. With many deseases, some people have a mild case, others more serious cases, and some end up having complications or die. Measles can have serious complications like encephalitis or eye damage, even death. Here is, by the way, is statistics from 2002 outbreak in Italy. 7.6% rate of complication is awfully high given that measles is very infectious. Almost 1 in 1000 people died – it doesn’t sound like a lot, but given how infectious measles is, if a lot of people catch it, the numbers of those not as fortunate as you will add up. By the way – the risk of complications from measles is several orders of magnitudes higher than that of vaccines.

Then there are adults like me who have never had measles. No vaccine is 100% effective, so we need herd immunity to protect those of us who haven’t had measles as children even if we are vaccinated. In adults the complication rate is a lot higher. People like “forced anarchy” above keep saying that before the vaccines everyone got it as children – this is so not true. Not every single person got measles as kids before the vaccine was available, some got it later. There have always been adults who just didn’t catch the desease as kids. I only caught chicken pox at the age of 32, and there certainly were kids in my school who got it, I just never caught it from them. People just forget how it was before the vaccines – my mother had diphteria as a child and was hospitalized with her father who also caught it – as adult; she saw people in the same ward die including a mother who caught it from her child. This whole situation is really dangerous.