<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Defensive medicine op-ed in the USA Today</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:00:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85301</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85301</guid> <description>If the surgeon really did come to the ER drunk and grossly deviated from the standard of care, sounds like the case is a slam-dunk win. So if the lawyer really won&#039;t take the case it&#039;s just greed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the surgeon really did come to the ER drunk and grossly deviated from the standard of care, sounds like the case is a slam-dunk win. So if the lawyer really won&#8217;t take the case it&#8217;s just greed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mythago</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85284</link> <dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85284</guid> <description>On &quot;economic damages&quot;, what that means is that people who do not make a lot of money, who are elderly or disabled, or who die fast without a lot of expensive care are, bluntly, fair game.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Let&#039;s say that a surgeon comes into the ER drunk and tries to perform a routine gallbladder removal on your eighty-year-old with a pair of forceps. He kills her. I hope that we can all agree this is malpractice, right?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So you go to a lawyer to sue the bastard. Guess what? He&#039;ll send you home. Because you didn&#039;t lose any money on Grandma; your only damages are the sentimental loss of her companionship and her presence, aka &quot;non-economic damages&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And your lawyer operates on a contingency fee. That means he has to front your lawsuit until there is a recovery--a FINAL recovery, not just a verdict in your favor. The cost-benefit analysis doesn&#039;t make it worth his while, and you sure can&#039;t afford to pay him out of pocket for years of lawsuit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On &#8220;economic damages&#8221;, what that means is that people who do not make a lot of money, who are elderly or disabled, or who die fast without a lot of expensive care are, bluntly, fair game.</p><p>Let&#8217;s say that a surgeon comes into the ER drunk and tries to perform a routine gallbladder removal on your eighty-year-old with a pair of forceps. He kills her. I hope that we can all agree this is malpractice, right?</p><p>So you go to a lawyer to sue the bastard. Guess what? He&#8217;ll send you home. Because you didn&#8217;t lose any money on Grandma; your only damages are the sentimental loss of her companionship and her presence, aka &#8220;non-economic damages&#8221;.</p><p>And your lawyer operates on a contingency fee. That means he has to front your lawsuit until there is a recovery&#8211;a FINAL recovery, not just a verdict in your favor. The cost-benefit analysis doesn&#8217;t make it worth his while, and you sure can&#8217;t afford to pay him out of pocket for years of lawsuit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mythago</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85283</link> <dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:24:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85283</guid> <description>The &quot;brick wall of brotherhood&quot; is a doctor thing, not a lawyer thing. There are plenty of lawyers whose specialty is legal malpractice (i.e. suing other lawyers). We file bar complaints and ask for sanctions against opponent lawyers, too. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I get that you&#039;re angry, but what did you think you were going to be suing &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt;? &quot;I want to punish them&quot; is not a basis for a lawsuit, nor is &quot;somebody sued me&quot;. The lawyers who turned you down didn&#039;t do so because of omerta; they did so because they did not believe that you had a case that could be won.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;brick wall of brotherhood&#8221; is a doctor thing, not a lawyer thing. There are plenty of lawyers whose specialty is legal malpractice (i.e. suing other lawyers). We file bar complaints and ask for sanctions against opponent lawyers, too.</p><p>I get that you&#8217;re angry, but what did you think you were going to be suing <i>for</i>? &#8220;I want to punish them&#8221; is not a basis for a lawsuit, nor is &#8220;somebody sued me&#8221;. The lawyers who turned you down didn&#8217;t do so because of omerta; they did so because they did not believe that you had a case that could be won.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85232</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85232</guid> <description>I would not wish the ordeal of a lawsuit on anyone... even a lawyer. You bravely tell yourself that this  is the cost of doing business, and you just stepped on a mine in the minefield.  But you know that your entire reason for being is under scrutiny. You stand accused of hurting a person you have sworn to protect and help.  And you have absolutely no control of the situation, and very little input into the situation.  How can one quick decision made in a flurry of decisions on a hectic night in the ER threaten to take away your house, garnish wages and destroy you professionally and personally? You hope that if there is an award it will be within your malpractice limits.&lt;br/&gt;  Are my lawyers going to go to lunch and between bites of roast beef decide I need to settle when I didn&#039;t do anything wrong? Why does it take so long?  Will the mandatory medical license review end up removing my license? Will I be reprimanded?&lt;br/&gt;  You are instructed not to talk to anybody about it. Just as well. Better no one knows of the shame.  I can easily see why ending it all would be easier.  One convenient accident and it all goes away.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And this is how I spent a year of my life. In hiding, afraid of patients and people. Afraid of special delivery letters and unknowing people asking me if I am Dr X, for that is how I was served the papers. I became a recluse. The marriage and family suffered. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why? The plaintiff alleged that even though  I diagnosed the problem, and  I took the proper steps to treat the problem, I just didn&#039;t do it fast enough.  Despite moving the plaintiff upstairs ahead of sicker but stable(for now) patients. Despite calling every other hospital in the area for help. Despite the fact the patient was only in the ER for 4 hours total, in a place that sees 200 a day and is at best short staffed, has a 100% occupancy, and other patients were admitted and waiting for up to 18 hr.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  And after a year of this torture, I was dismissed from the lawsuit. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;After it was over, I was angry. I tried to find a lawyer that would sue the plaintiff and their lawyers, but I ran into that brick wall of brotherhood that all you lawyers have.&lt;br/&gt;(and accuse us of having). No one would take the case. Even if I paid cash for their services!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, I have one question. While you lawyers are galavanting around claiming to selflessly protect patients and rights and such, who protects me from you?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not wish the ordeal of a lawsuit on anyone&#8230; even a lawyer. You bravely tell yourself that this  is the cost of doing business, and you just stepped on a mine in the minefield.  But you know that your entire reason for being is under scrutiny. You stand accused of hurting a person you have sworn to protect and help.  And you have absolutely no control of the situation, and very little input into the situation.  How can one quick decision made in a flurry of decisions on a hectic night in the ER threaten to take away your house, garnish wages and destroy you professionally and personally? You hope that if there is an award it will be within your malpractice limits.<br /> Are my lawyers going to go to lunch and between bites of roast beef decide I need to settle when I didn&#8217;t do anything wrong? Why does it take so long?  Will the mandatory medical license review end up removing my license? Will I be reprimanded?<br /> You are instructed not to talk to anybody about it. Just as well. Better no one knows of the shame.  I can easily see why ending it all would be easier.  One convenient accident and it all goes away.</p><p>And this is how I spent a year of my life. In hiding, afraid of patients and people. Afraid of special delivery letters and unknowing people asking me if I am Dr X, for that is how I was served the papers. I became a recluse. The marriage and family suffered.</p><p>Why? The plaintiff alleged that even though  I diagnosed the problem, and  I took the proper steps to treat the problem, I just didn&#8217;t do it fast enough.  Despite moving the plaintiff upstairs ahead of sicker but stable(for now) patients. Despite calling every other hospital in the area for help. Despite the fact the patient was only in the ER for 4 hours total, in a place that sees 200 a day and is at best short staffed, has a 100% occupancy, and other patients were admitted and waiting for up to 18 hr.</p><p> And after a year of this torture, I was dismissed from the lawsuit.</p><p>After it was over, I was angry. I tried to find a lawyer that would sue the plaintiff and their lawyers, but I ran into that brick wall of brotherhood that all you lawyers have.<br />(and accuse us of having). No one would take the case. Even if I paid cash for their services!!</p><p>So, I have one question. While you lawyers are galavanting around claiming to selflessly protect patients and rights and such, who protects me from you?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85230</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85230</guid> <description>Why not just make lawyers pay for any fees incurred if they lose lawsuit.  I think that would really make them think twice and think extra about the merit of the case.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And why would lawyers be against this?  Probably for money.  The are hired mercenaries and know they can sully and bully a physician by threatening a lawsuit and his/her reputation, forcing or encouraging a settlement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can&#039;t think of any good argument that a lawyer could pose against this idea.  It is self-regulating....  Wait, lawyers don&#039;t self regulate!  They protect each other just like they claim physician do.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just make lawyers pay for any fees incurred if they lose lawsuit.  I think that would really make them think twice and think extra about the merit of the case.</p><p>And why would lawyers be against this?  Probably for money.  The are hired mercenaries and know they can sully and bully a physician by threatening a lawsuit and his/her reputation, forcing or encouraging a settlement.</p><p>I can&#8217;t think of any good argument that a lawyer could pose against this idea.  It is self-regulating&#8230;.  Wait, lawyers don&#8217;t self regulate!  They protect each other just like they claim physician do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85228</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85228</guid> <description>I am doctor, in reply to the lawyer comment above.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was sued by a lawyer for a patient that came into the er with vaginal bleeding.  She was a drug addict and while we were waiting for a operating room to open up.  For some reason the gun shot needed to go first, she pulled out her own IV and walked out of the ER wearing the ER gown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I then was sued because 2 months later she developed a pelvic infection.  Really that was my fault?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes I won the case, but that was ridiculous and how much time was spent by me and 4 other faculty doctors to get that case to be done was ridiculous and none of it was compensated by the drug addict or the lawyer who sued.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I appreciate that the cases you took were not like this, but I see a lot more from the other side, and I understand that there are a lot of lawyers, and they all need to work, but some of these cases need to have punitives done to the person bringing them. ( bit of a run on sentence there, but then I don&#039;t have to write briefs)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am doctor, in reply to the lawyer comment above.</p><p>I was sued by a lawyer for a patient that came into the er with vaginal bleeding.  She was a drug addict and while we were waiting for a operating room to open up.  For some reason the gun shot needed to go first, she pulled out her own IV and walked out of the ER wearing the ER gown.</p><p>I then was sued because 2 months later she developed a pelvic infection.  Really that was my fault?</p><p>Yes I won the case, but that was ridiculous and how much time was spent by me and 4 other faculty doctors to get that case to be done was ridiculous and none of it was compensated by the drug addict or the lawyer who sued.</p><p>I appreciate that the cases you took were not like this, but I see a lot more from the other side, and I understand that there are a lot of lawyers, and they all need to work, but some of these cases need to have punitives done to the person bringing them. ( bit of a run on sentence there, but then I don&#8217;t have to write briefs)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85227</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85227</guid> <description>Well, no, the patient sued, and LOST. As is apparent in his case, he should have - it&#039;s clear the benefit of any doubt is extended to the persons who examined him.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, it&#039;s probably not true that all trauma patients should be presumed incompetent, and should lose the right to refuse a rectal exam or other testing.   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And a sort of side issue is, the rectal examine really is of limited utility, if the evidence of that utility is reviewed.  There are other ways to evaluate spinal trauma that will probably be a part of any thorough examination, when there is a high index of suspicion of spinal trauma.   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now, what if the doctor had said within the earshot of many &quot; I&#039;m gonna teach this SOB a lesson&quot;, or on previous occasions announced his intention to do unecessary  rectals on any drunky-druggy-combative-irritating patient,  to educate them of the risks of arriving in his ER with an attitude.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obviously, the law has to allow remedy.  The guy in this case got a chance to argue, and appropriately lost.   I can&#039;t say that&#039;s a malpractice crisis, or a legal one.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no, the patient sued, and LOST. As is apparent in his case, he should have &#8211; it&#8217;s clear the benefit of any doubt is extended to the persons who examined him.</p><p>However, it&#8217;s probably not true that all trauma patients should be presumed incompetent, and should lose the right to refuse a rectal exam or other testing.</p><p>And a sort of side issue is, the rectal examine really is of limited utility, if the evidence of that utility is reviewed.  There are other ways to evaluate spinal trauma that will probably be a part of any thorough examination, when there is a high index of suspicion of spinal trauma.</p><p>Now, what if the doctor had said within the earshot of many &#8221; I&#8217;m gonna teach this SOB a lesson&#8221;, or on previous occasions announced his intention to do unecessary  rectals on any drunky-druggy-combative-irritating patient,  to educate them of the risks of arriving in his ER with an attitude.</p><p>Obviously, the law has to allow remedy.  The guy in this case got a chance to argue, and appropriately lost.   I can&#8217;t say that&#8217;s a malpractice crisis, or a legal one.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: igloodoc</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85220</link> <dc:creator>igloodoc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85220</guid> <description>Wow. A rectal exam is punitive on a &quot;competent&quot; head trauma patient in a trauma center.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I propose that a judge be added to the trauma team to rule on competency while we resuscitate a patient. Hopefully the judge will not retire to make the decision, because preforming CPR for that length of time may have a deleterious effect on the patient.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; (And what if the judge rules the patient was competent  in refusing CPR before his heart stopped and the competency decision was rendered?. A punitive rectal exam for all the doctors and staff?)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And you wonder why doctors become suicidal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No medical malpractice crisis here!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. A rectal exam is punitive on a &#8220;competent&#8221; head trauma patient in a trauma center.</p><p>I propose that a judge be added to the trauma team to rule on competency while we resuscitate a patient. Hopefully the judge will not retire to make the decision, because preforming CPR for that length of time may have a deleterious effect on the patient.</p><p> (And what if the judge rules the patient was competent  in refusing CPR before his heart stopped and the competency decision was rendered?. A punitive rectal exam for all the doctors and staff?)</p><p>And you wonder why doctors become suicidal.</p><p>No medical malpractice crisis here!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Happy Hospitalist</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85217</link> <dc:creator>The Happy Hospitalist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85217</guid> <description>happyman,  it is yet another issue and I have blogged about that an a regular basis.  It&#039;s the profit gradients third parties have created within field of practice and within procedures of practice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>happyman,  it is yet another issue and I have blogged about that an a regular basis.  It&#8217;s the profit gradients third parties have created within field of practice and within procedures of practice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Happy Hospitalist</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-usa-today.html#comment-85216</link> <dc:creator>The Happy Hospitalist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/04/defensive-medicine-op-ed-in-the-usa-today.html#comment-85216</guid> <description>anon 0312,  and the next trauma patient who refused a rectal and later found to have a spinal chord injury will sue that the doctor should have known they weren&#039;t of sound mind when they refused, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My point is that any one can sue any one any time without any recourse of action.  Sue me if I do the rectal.  Sue me if I don&#039;t. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Gosh, as far as I&#039;m concerned,  emergency medicine equates to military medicine.   If physicians are going to be second guessed for every split second decision they make,  the ememrgency system would be bogged down and it would be an issue of national security.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;oh,  wait,  the system has already been bogged down by ridiculous lawsuit lotto.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon 0312,  and the next trauma patient who refused a rectal and later found to have a spinal chord injury will sue that the doctor should have known they weren&#8217;t of sound mind when they refused,</p><p>My point is that any one can sue any one any time without any recourse of action.  Sue me if I do the rectal.  Sue me if I don&#8217;t.</p><p>Gosh, as far as I&#8217;m concerned,  emergency medicine equates to military medicine.   If physicians are going to be second guessed for every split second decision they make,  the ememrgency system would be bogged down and it would be an issue of national security.</p><p>oh,  wait,  the system has already been bogged down by ridiculous lawsuit lotto.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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