<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: My take: Funding geriatrics, electronic records, CT-cardiac scans</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:27:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Wendell Murray</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-88334</link> <dc:creator>Wendell Murray</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-88334</guid> <description>Why thank you Mr. Marx. I am a long-term of yours by the way.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Many problems awaiting resolution in medical services and healthcare more generally, including the discouragement of many primary care physicians. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nonetheless, digitization of clinical records can be done very cheaply, with minimal effort on the part of most physicians and their staffs, but with small to large results to physicians and patients alike from doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you among others want to keep your &quot;head in the sand&quot; regarding the issue, not much I can do about it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My perspective at the moment is that widespread use of computer information technology by physicians will take a generational change for that reason. We&#039;ll see.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why thank you Mr. Marx. I am a long-term of yours by the way.</p><p>Many problems awaiting resolution in medical services and healthcare more generally, including the discouragement of many primary care physicians.</p><p>Nonetheless, digitization of clinical records can be done very cheaply, with minimal effort on the part of most physicians and their staffs, but with small to large results to physicians and patients alike from doing so.</p><p>If you among others want to keep your &#8220;head in the sand&#8221; regarding the issue, not much I can do about it.</p><p>My perspective at the moment is that widespread use of computer information technology by physicians will take a generational change for that reason. We&#8217;ll see.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-88325</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-88325</guid> <description>There is no reason for a physician to adopt EMR except if you want to give the insurance companies, and especially medicare another way to deny paying you. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; I know very few physicians that find any usefulness of this scam, besides funding some IT-people nad making people&#039;s medical records easier to read for &quot;experts&quot; like Wendell&amp;CO.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  EMR won&#039;t solve our problem with too few doctors in the system and a situation that is bound to collapse.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  Let Murray take his EMR with him and start seeing the patients. Then he can submit the claims to CMS and be all happy, lol.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Karl O Marx</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no reason for a physician to adopt EMR except if you want to give the insurance companies, and especially medicare another way to deny paying you.</p><p> I know very few physicians that find any usefulness of this scam, besides funding some IT-people nad making people&#39;s medical records easier to read for &quot;experts&quot; like Wendell&amp;CO.</p><p> EMR won&#39;t solve our problem with too few doctors in the system and a situation that is bound to collapse.</p><p> Let Murray take his EMR with him and start seeing the patients. Then he can submit the claims to CMS and be all happy, lol.</p><p>Karl O Marx</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wendell Murray</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-84618</link> <dc:creator>Wendell Murray</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-84618</guid> <description>&quot;Wendell Holmes, your comment rings of self-promotion and seems at odds with findings from physicians and insurers regarding the costs and ROI for electronic medical records, namely that they don&#039;t yield a positive return and that their costs to doctors and practices are substantial and inhibiting. Please explain why we should believe you and not them&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is Wendell &lt;i&gt;Murray&lt;/i&gt;. It is not a question of belief, it is a question of facts. My comments reflect my experiences and the experiences of many practices who have successfully implemented a fairly wide range of EMR systems, not self-promotion. That is an offensive comment, but typical of the response that one hears from those who do not know what they are talking about.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In any case, the returns on investment in out-of-pocket cost and opportunity cost are substantial, both in dollar amount and in practice quality improvement. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Productivity gains vary by size of practice and current practice management procedures. A low level of productivity gain is usually a function of lack of changes to how physicians schedule their workflow and how they utilize resources, such as other clinical personnel and often more importantly patients themselves, many of whom hunger for electronic interaction with their physicians. The biggest productivity gains in primary care primarily accrue in the form of electronic prescribing that occurs with the pressing of a button on a tablet PC and the ordering of lab or other tests from outside the practice. This must also be at the press of a button to achieve material productivity gains. Many other areas of lesser productivity gain, but all together can be substantial. Financially better documentation almost always leads to higher coding levels and therefore higher revenue for the same volume of work.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In general I have found that physicians in almost any size of practice tend to think that they can select a system, negotiate terms to acquire it and install the software on their own without knowledgeable advice. The point is that they almost universally cannot, even if one or some of the physicians involved has some or even substantial technical expertise. That is almost always (but not always) a recipe for disaster. The expertise and assistance are not all that resource-consuming, but are a necessary ingredient to successful implementation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wendell Holmes, your comment rings of self-promotion and seems at odds with findings from physicians and insurers regarding the costs and ROI for electronic medical records, namely that they don&#8217;t yield a positive return and that their costs to doctors and practices are substantial and inhibiting. Please explain why we should believe you and not them&#8221;</p><p>It is Wendell <i>Murray</i>. It is not a question of belief, it is a question of facts. My comments reflect my experiences and the experiences of many practices who have successfully implemented a fairly wide range of EMR systems, not self-promotion. That is an offensive comment, but typical of the response that one hears from those who do not know what they are talking about.</p><p>In any case, the returns on investment in out-of-pocket cost and opportunity cost are substantial, both in dollar amount and in practice quality improvement.</p><p>Productivity gains vary by size of practice and current practice management procedures. A low level of productivity gain is usually a function of lack of changes to how physicians schedule their workflow and how they utilize resources, such as other clinical personnel and often more importantly patients themselves, many of whom hunger for electronic interaction with their physicians. The biggest productivity gains in primary care primarily accrue in the form of electronic prescribing that occurs with the pressing of a button on a tablet PC and the ordering of lab or other tests from outside the practice. This must also be at the press of a button to achieve material productivity gains. Many other areas of lesser productivity gain, but all together can be substantial. Financially better documentation almost always leads to higher coding levels and therefore higher revenue for the same volume of work.</p><p>In general I have found that physicians in almost any size of practice tend to think that they can select a system, negotiate terms to acquire it and install the software on their own without knowledgeable advice. The point is that they almost universally cannot, even if one or some of the physicians involved has some or even substantial technical expertise. That is almost always (but not always) a recipe for disaster. The expertise and assistance are not all that resource-consuming, but are a necessary ingredient to successful implementation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-84268</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-84268</guid> <description>GingerB:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You are assuming that something is actually being automated. This isn&#039;t factory automation. We are merely substituting media, pen and paper, for keyboards and bytes. The data acquisition is not being digitized, merely the repository of the data. And for practices that already do an efficient job and don&#039;t share a lot of data or need to make that data available over a wide distance, the process is not one that is time saving or efficient. In fact, it may never replace the efficiencies of the paper chart.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GingerB:</p><p>You are assuming that something is actually being automated. This isn&#8217;t factory automation. We are merely substituting media, pen and paper, for keyboards and bytes. The data acquisition is not being digitized, merely the repository of the data. And for practices that already do an efficient job and don&#8217;t share a lot of data or need to make that data available over a wide distance, the process is not one that is time saving or efficient. In fact, it may never replace the efficiencies of the paper chart.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GingerB</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-84263</link> <dc:creator>GingerB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-84263</guid> <description>Nobody who automates anything is ever happy in the beginning.  In any line of business! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Probably the best thing to do is to assume that EMR is coming. You can start looking at products and thinking about a transition.  The more you know what is available and what you want then the better decision you can make.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps small offices who hold out will find that eventually the big players will come along and fold them in. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Certainly looking at your paper records with some knowledge/thought  about how those would be converted to EMR could help position a small business for the eventual transition.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody who automates anything is ever happy in the beginning.  In any line of business!</p><p>Probably the best thing to do is to assume that EMR is coming. You can start looking at products and thinking about a transition.  The more you know what is available and what you want then the better decision you can make.</p><p>Perhaps small offices who hold out will find that eventually the big players will come along and fold them in.</p><p>Certainly looking at your paper records with some knowledge/thought  about how those would be converted to EMR could help position a small business for the eventual transition.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Suicide Malpractice</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-84260</link> <dc:creator>Suicide Malpractice</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-84260</guid> <description>I asked. I took her word she was all girl.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But consider a differential diagnosis where acuity makes a difference in management, say, anemia, iron deficiency or internal bleeding? Could you trust this record&#039;s assertion of rosy cheeks a week ago after seeing that entry?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked. I took her word she was all girl.</p><p>But consider a differential diagnosis where acuity makes a difference in management, say, anemia, iron deficiency or internal bleeding? Could you trust this record&#8217;s assertion of rosy cheeks a week ago after seeing that entry?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-84258</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-84258</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know psych doc 9:08. Did you do a physical exam? I&#039;ve seen stranger things.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know psych doc 9:08. Did you do a physical exam? I&#8217;ve seen stranger things.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Suicide Malpractice</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-84257</link> <dc:creator>Suicide Malpractice</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-84257</guid> <description>Got the records of a pretty girl from her pediatrician for the year 2007. I wanted to know her current medication. The record was a half inch thick, for less than a year of care for a healthy girl. I never found her medication. But, I was relieved to learn, she had normal female genitalia. The penis was anatomically correct, and the testes had descended. I thought, silly mistake. However, three other dates contained the same entry. If the record had to be used in a legal setting, its credibility would be nil. How do we know if any of it was written or read by the doctor?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would argue that state laws requiring the maintenance of a medical record had been violated by the repeated nonsense. If it was a simple error, how many times will the simple error repeat itself unless the doctor had not made the record of a real examination?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got the records of a pretty girl from her pediatrician for the year 2007. I wanted to know her current medication. The record was a half inch thick, for less than a year of care for a healthy girl. I never found her medication. But, I was relieved to learn, she had normal female genitalia. The penis was anatomically correct, and the testes had descended. I thought, silly mistake. However, three other dates contained the same entry. If the record had to be used in a legal setting, its credibility would be nil. How do we know if any of it was written or read by the doctor?</p><p>I would argue that state laws requiring the maintenance of a medical record had been violated by the repeated nonsense. If it was a simple error, how many times will the simple error repeat itself unless the doctor had not made the record of a real examination?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: IVF-MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-84256</link> <dc:creator>IVF-MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-84256</guid> <description>I have polled my colleagues. Of the 9 who have switched to EMR, 8 of them strongly regret it. 1 of them is neutral, citing some real advantages,  but not quite enough to justify the costs. Each year, I actively evaluate to see if it is of benefit to our practice and to our patients in any way to switch to EMR, and so far, the answer has been NO. However, we do employ some very advanced computerization in our office including internal instant messaging between MD and staff and an in-house Wiki to keep updated on our protocols and policies. I have met with five EMR different vendors and none of them have come close to presenting a valid advantage for us to switch. Some of them have been honest enough to admit it at the end, when I asked them point blank.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sure I can envision an advantage for practices with multiple locations or special circumstances but it is wrong to make a blanket universal claim that EMR is beneficial for all practices. And even for those that it provides a slight benefit, is it really worth the cost?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have polled my colleagues. Of the 9 who have switched to EMR, 8 of them strongly regret it. 1 of them is neutral, citing some real advantages,  but not quite enough to justify the costs. Each year, I actively evaluate to see if it is of benefit to our practice and to our patients in any way to switch to EMR, and so far, the answer has been NO. However, we do employ some very advanced computerization in our office including internal instant messaging between MD and staff and an in-house Wiki to keep updated on our protocols and policies. I have met with five EMR different vendors and none of them have come close to presenting a valid advantage for us to switch. Some of them have been honest enough to admit it at the end, when I asked them point blank.</p><p>Sure I can envision an advantage for practices with multiple locations or special circumstances but it is wrong to make a blanket universal claim that EMR is beneficial for all practices. And even for those that it provides a slight benefit, is it really worth the cost?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic.html#comment-84247</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/03/my-take-funding-geriatrics-electronic-records-ct-cardiac-scans.html#comment-84247</guid> <description>I disagree completely with your comments regarding EMR.  I switched nearly two years ago and have found that I am more productive, my records are more complete, and my billing is increased as my documentation is more complete and the coding of the chart is more accurate.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obviously, the quality of the EMR software is important. I purchased a top-line program, at that time A-4 and now Allscript.  In EMR software, the adage you get what you pay for is dead on.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The biggest problem with EMR is the customization of the software to the individual practitioner and practice.  My partner and I spent a significant time to set up the program and it works great.  I would recommend the vendor strongly.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree completely with your comments regarding EMR.  I switched nearly two years ago and have found that I am more productive, my records are more complete, and my billing is increased as my documentation is more complete and the coding of the chart is more accurate.</p><p>Obviously, the quality of the EMR software is important. I purchased a top-line program, at that time A-4 and now Allscript.  In EMR software, the adage you get what you pay for is dead on.</p><p>The biggest problem with EMR is the customization of the software to the individual practitioner and practice.  My partner and I spent a significant time to set up the program and it works great.  I would recommend the vendor strongly.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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