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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/firing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-85265</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this relationship really any different from any true friendship/relationship? If you step on one another&#039;s toes once too often, your friend/doctor/patient will get sick of you at some point, even if he/she knows all the reasons for your behavior, and will walk out on you, with or without an explanation. That&#039;s it. Nothing legal about it...just don&#039;t pick &quot;a fine to leave me...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this relationship really any different from any true friendship/relationship? If you step on one another&#8217;s toes once too often, your friend/doctor/patient will get sick of you at some point, even if he/she knows all the reasons for your behavior, and will walk out on you, with or without an explanation. That&#8217;s it. Nothing legal about it&#8230;just don&#8217;t pick &#8220;a fine to leave me&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/firing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-84560</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet my office remains full....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course the patients know bloody well why I&#039;m discharging them. I just don&#039;t find a need to put it in writing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the drug-seeking patient tells other drug-seekers not to come to me, that&#039;s just fine with me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess I just make up for it by taking good care of the good patients because I don&#039;t waste time and goodwill on the bad apples.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The result is the patients continue to see me as out-of-network even when their insurance changes to one I don&#039;t participate with. One businessman called to make sure he knew which insurances I worked with, to make sure he offered himself and his employees insurances that allowed them to continue seeing me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Life&#039;s too short to put up with jerks like 6:16 &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll give him credit, though, for recognizing that I was right and the &quot;journalist&quot; wrong on the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet my office remains full&#8230;.</p>
<p>Of course the patients know bloody well why I&#8217;m discharging them. I just don&#8217;t find a need to put it in writing.</p>
<p>If the drug-seeking patient tells other drug-seekers not to come to me, that&#8217;s just fine with me.</p>
<p>I guess I just make up for it by taking good care of the good patients because I don&#8217;t waste time and goodwill on the bad apples.</p>
<p>The result is the patients continue to see me as out-of-network even when their insurance changes to one I don&#8217;t participate with. One businessman called to make sure he knew which insurances I worked with, to make sure he offered himself and his employees insurances that allowed them to continue seeing me.</p>
<p>Life&#8217;s too short to put up with jerks like 6:16 </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give him credit, though, for recognizing that I was right and the &#8220;journalist&#8221; wrong on the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/firing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-84494</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some physicians seem to be so cloistered and protected within the walls of their clinics and hospitals that they have no perception of a real world existing beyond those walls.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sure, you can &quot;fire&quot; a patient with no reason. Rest assured, that patient will share his or her story with family and friends, who will pass it along to their neighbors and co-workers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In short, if you want to earn a bad rep in a very short time, do exactly what the above poster describes -- although I can&#039;t imagine how you could continue practicing afterwards, knowing that any patient who walks into your office could know full well what an absolute jerk you truly are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some physicians seem to be so cloistered and protected within the walls of their clinics and hospitals that they have no perception of a real world existing beyond those walls.</p>
<p>Sure, you can &#8220;fire&#8221; a patient with no reason. Rest assured, that patient will share his or her story with family and friends, who will pass it along to their neighbors and co-workers.</p>
<p>In short, if you want to earn a bad rep in a very short time, do exactly what the above poster describes &#8212; although I can&#8217;t imagine how you could continue practicing afterwards, knowing that any patient who walks into your office could know full well what an absolute jerk you truly are.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/03/firing-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-84482</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalistic malpractice.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;When a patient-physician relationship begins, the doctor is under ethical and legal obligations to provide medical services for as long as the patient wants, according to the American Medical Association......&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The AMA says the physician-patient relationship is voluntary and can be terminated by either party.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;First, there has to be a legitimate reason.......&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can dismiss a patient from your practice for any reason or no reason.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;.....Next, a letter should be sent to the patient via certified mail with a detailed explanation of the termination and a note that services will be continued for 30 days, to allow the patient to find another doctor.....&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally, I send certified AND regular mail, with the usual return service and address service requested, but regular mail to last known address of record is adequate, at least in my state.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;NO. YOU. DON&#039;T need to provide a &quot;detailed explanation&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;.....Statements like &quot;I cannot provide effective care for you&quot; should be avoided......&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t provide ANY explanation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At least they got the 30 days and offer to transfer records right.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now hey, there may be differences from state to state, but I&#039;m following the directions of my state medical association medico-legal department. There may also be restrictions due to insurance contracts you may have signed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally I find putting reasons on the letter to be nothing but inflammatory. As though there can be a debate that they can &quot;win&quot; and I have to take them back. If I find a patient is trouble for any reason.....drug-seeking, manipulative, obnoxious, not paying, etc........I send them a letter with the usual 30-day notice, and that&#039;s it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The only exceptions could be discharging because of a protected status or if there is some sort of ongoing acute care. Management of chronic problems does not count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalistic malpractice.</p>
<p>&#8220;When a patient-physician relationship begins, the doctor is under ethical and legal obligations to provide medical services for as long as the patient wants, according to the American Medical Association&#8230;&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>The AMA says the physician-patient relationship is voluntary and can be terminated by either party.</p>
<p>&#8220;First, there has to be a legitimate reason&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can dismiss a patient from your practice for any reason or no reason.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;..Next, a letter should be sent to the patient via certified mail with a detailed explanation of the termination and a note that services will be continued for 30 days, to allow the patient to find another doctor&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I send certified AND regular mail, with the usual return service and address service requested, but regular mail to last known address of record is adequate, at least in my state.</p>
<p>NO. YOU. DON&#8217;T need to provide a &#8220;detailed explanation&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;..Statements like &#8220;I cannot provide effective care for you&#8221; should be avoided&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t provide ANY explanation.</p>
<p>At least they got the 30 days and offer to transfer records right.</p>
<p>Now hey, there may be differences from state to state, but I&#8217;m following the directions of my state medical association medico-legal department. There may also be restrictions due to insurance contracts you may have signed.</p>
<p>Personally I find putting reasons on the letter to be nothing but inflammatory. As though there can be a debate that they can &#8220;win&#8221; and I have to take them back. If I find a patient is trouble for any reason&#8230;..drug-seeking, manipulative, obnoxious, not paying, etc&#8230;&#8230;..I send them a letter with the usual 30-day notice, and that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>The only exceptions could be discharging because of a protected status or if there is some sort of ongoing acute care. Management of chronic problems does not count.</p>
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