<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Would you accept a lower salary if you could graduate from medical school debt free?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:09:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-83014</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:16:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-83014</guid> <description>&quot;Read the rest of her excellent analysis of physician salaries.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Excuse me, but this is wanton socialist blather, not an analysis. Patently un-American.  Please go practice in another country if you want to practice this way.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Read the rest of her excellent analysis of physician salaries.&#8221;</p><p>Excuse me, but this is wanton socialist blather, not an analysis. Patently un-American.  Please go practice in another country if you want to practice this way.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-83011</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-83011</guid> <description>&quot;It is amazing how they get paid (note get paid, not just not pay tuition) and get to have free time on the weekends and at night.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you have friends in law who are getting paid anywhere near what a physician does and are just a couple years out of law school, they do not have much free time.  Those top firms that pay the high salaries have very high billable hour requirements.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is amazing how they get paid (note get paid, not just not pay tuition) and get to have free time on the weekends and at night.&#8221;</p><p>If you have friends in law who are getting paid anywhere near what a physician does and are just a couple years out of law school, they do not have much free time.  Those top firms that pay the high salaries have very high billable hour requirements.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-83009</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-83009</guid> <description>&gt;&gt;&quot;&quot;Would you accept a lower salary if you could graduate from medical school debt free?&quot;&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I did. I took an HPSP scholarship with the Navy and completed repayment by working for four years, at less pay than I would have made as a civilian for the same work. The tradeoff was a delay to my training (not something I recommend). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do I think that was a fair tradeoff? I am not sure. Even though I wrote my last student loan payment (I still took some small loans) years before my colleagues who borrowed more heavily did, the constant dollar analysis I have read comparing the military route woth borrowing still favors the taking of loans rather than the service obligation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The larger point is that payback was four years, not a career of lower income. So to answer the OP, I would take a lower income, but not for any longer a term than I already did.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>&#8221;"Would you accept a lower salary if you could graduate from medical school debt free?&#8221;"</p><p>I did. I took an HPSP scholarship with the Navy and completed repayment by working for four years, at less pay than I would have made as a civilian for the same work. The tradeoff was a delay to my training (not something I recommend).</p><p>Do I think that was a fair tradeoff? I am not sure. Even though I wrote my last student loan payment (I still took some small loans) years before my colleagues who borrowed more heavily did, the constant dollar analysis I have read comparing the military route woth borrowing still favors the taking of loans rather than the service obligation.</p><p>The larger point is that payback was four years, not a career of lower income. So to answer the OP, I would take a lower income, but not for any longer a term than I already did.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-83006</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-83006</guid> <description>Anony 4:44,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Not everyone makes the same sacrifices.&quot; Say what? I sacrificed part of my 20s to chemotherapy and a stem cell transplant. I lost friends, disrupted my career and don&#039;t have a cent to show for it. My friends were out having fun and I was home on the couch, too tired and too immune-compromised to do much of anything.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sound familiar? I thought so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My honest advice to you is to try to stop comparing yourself to your friends. Don&#039;t let envy and resentment start to eat up your soul.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are always going to be people who appear to be better off than you are, whatever &quot;better off&quot; means. There are also millions of people who are paid far less, work at demanding, menial jobs and have far fewer prospects in life.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know the delayed gratification is really hard, but you can&#039;t afford to buy into the comparison game of what &quot;everyone else&quot; is doing. It&#039;s a game you cannot win.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess I&#039;m sounding preachy now. Oh well. Too late to delete my comment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anony 4:44,</p><p>&#8220;Not everyone makes the same sacrifices.&#8221; Say what? I sacrificed part of my 20s to chemotherapy and a stem cell transplant. I lost friends, disrupted my career and don&#8217;t have a cent to show for it. My friends were out having fun and I was home on the couch, too tired and too immune-compromised to do much of anything.</p><p>Sound familiar? I thought so.</p><p>My honest advice to you is to try to stop comparing yourself to your friends. Don&#8217;t let envy and resentment start to eat up your soul.</p><p>There are always going to be people who appear to be better off than you are, whatever &#8220;better off&#8221; means. There are also millions of people who are paid far less, work at demanding, menial jobs and have far fewer prospects in life.</p><p>I know the delayed gratification is really hard, but you can&#8217;t afford to buy into the comparison game of what &#8220;everyone else&#8221; is doing. It&#8217;s a game you cannot win.</p><p>I guess I&#8217;m sounding preachy now. Oh well. Too late to delete my comment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-83004</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-83004</guid> <description>Oh my, no not every one makes the same sacrifices though anon 3:30.  You don&#039;t understand.  My friends and I were the best and brightest in college.  We all went different ways though.  The sacrifice of training in medical school and residency is putting my friends who went to law school, dental school, chemical engineering firm, mechanical engineering firm, etc. to shame.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is amazing how they get paid (note get paid, not just not pay tuition) and get to have free time on the weekends and at night.  I am not saying I don&#039;t expect to put in the normal 8-7 day that is typical of hard working people.  I just get resentful when everyone else is getting paid for 8am-7pm extremely well and I am paying/not getting paid for my 4am-9pm.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These are just my observations.  And I said earlier becuase of this I have grown distant from a lot of my friends because they have time that is actually free to go hang out with each other.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my, no not every one makes the same sacrifices though anon 3:30.  You don&#8217;t understand.  My friends and I were the best and brightest in college.  We all went different ways though.  The sacrifice of training in medical school and residency is putting my friends who went to law school, dental school, chemical engineering firm, mechanical engineering firm, etc. to shame.</p><p>It is amazing how they get paid (note get paid, not just not pay tuition) and get to have free time on the weekends and at night.  I am not saying I don&#8217;t expect to put in the normal 8-7 day that is typical of hard working people.  I just get resentful when everyone else is getting paid for 8am-7pm extremely well and I am paying/not getting paid for my 4am-9pm.</p><p>These are just my observations.  And I said earlier becuase of this I have grown distant from a lot of my friends because they have time that is actually free to go hang out with each other.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-83003</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-83003</guid> <description>i was in residency and fellowship for 9 years.  my family survived very lean times for that time period while the people who trained for 3 or 4 years started reaping the benefits earlier.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;they seem to have forgotten those times.  do you have any idea how much more painful those last 5 years are?  :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;although i make more than primary care docs now, compound interest working against you with hundreds of thousands in principal sucks.  vacations are severely limited.  small flexibility in schedule.  come in at night regularly.  missed family events.  it isn&#039;t all beautiful for specialists.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;these people proposing ideas to limit payment have no idea about malpractice expense or tail coverage.  or the stress of running your own business.  well they have a limited idea that can be gleaned from reading, but not experience from living the dream.  all they see is $$$ being spent on healthcare and that $$$ are the group least likely to organize effectively to fight a cut.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was in residency and fellowship for 9 years.  my family survived very lean times for that time period while the people who trained for 3 or 4 years started reaping the benefits earlier.</p><p>they seem to have forgotten those times.  do you have any idea how much more painful those last 5 years are? <img src="http://cdn1.kevinmd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?e8bd46" alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>although i make more than primary care docs now, compound interest working against you with hundreds of thousands in principal sucks.  vacations are severely limited.  small flexibility in schedule.  come in at night regularly.  missed family events.  it isn&#8217;t all beautiful for specialists.</p><p>these people proposing ideas to limit payment have no idea about malpractice expense or tail coverage.  or the stress of running your own business.  well they have a limited idea that can be gleaned from reading, but not experience from living the dream.  all they see is $$$ being spent on healthcare and that $$$ are the group least likely to organize effectively to fight a cut.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-83002</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-83002</guid> <description>I was going to leave a comment for anonymous 12:03 p.m., something to the effect that many people in their 20s, besides medical students, have to make sacrifices. There are no guarantees that any of us are going to get the life we want.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I couldn&#039;t figure out how to say it without sounding preachy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;FWIW, I think the cost of medical school needs to be considerably less burdensome, but I don&#039;t think it should come at the expense of future earnings.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to leave a comment for anonymous 12:03 p.m., something to the effect that many people in their 20s, besides medical students, have to make sacrifices. There are no guarantees that any of us are going to get the life we want.</p><p>But I couldn&#8217;t figure out how to say it without sounding preachy.</p><p>FWIW, I think the cost of medical school needs to be considerably less burdensome, but I don&#8217;t think it should come at the expense of future earnings.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-83001</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-83001</guid> <description>I think 16% reduction is too much - my back of the envelope calculations show that it would not be worth it for an average med student.  I think 6% or 7% is more like it.  Of course, it will be a different calculation for each person depending on the accumulated debt and expected average salary.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think 16% reduction is too much &#8211; my back of the envelope calculations show that it would not be worth it for an average med student.  I think 6% or 7% is more like it.  Of course, it will be a different calculation for each person depending on the accumulated debt and expected average salary.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-83000</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-83000</guid> <description>I would be curious to see how American lawyer salaries compare with those in France or other countries abroad. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps an argument can be made that most every American profession is &quot;overpaid&quot; when compared to European countries.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be curious to see how American lawyer salaries compare with those in France or other countries abroad.</p><p>Perhaps an argument can be made that most every American profession is &#8220;overpaid&#8221; when compared to European countries.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/would-you-take-pay-cut-if-you-could.html#comment-82999</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2008/01/would-you-accept-a-lower-salary-if-you-could-graduate-from-medical-school-debt-free.html#comment-82999</guid> <description>My issue with her analysis of American vs foreign incomes is that most people don&#039;t compare themselves to someone across the world.  They compare themselves to the guy next door or the college roommate who went into finance.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If all you want is money then you need to go into another career.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issue with her analysis of American vs foreign incomes is that most people don&#8217;t compare themselves to someone across the world.  They compare themselves to the guy next door or the college roommate who went into finance.</p><p>If all you want is money then you need to go into another career.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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