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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/paying-to-remain-uninsured.html/comment-page-1#comment-83209</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to stop trying to fix the &quot;system&quot; and accept that there is no universal cureall &quot;fix&quot;, being sick sucks and is expensive, and always will be.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In a free society, we are all responsible for finding our own fixes and have the responsibility to do so.  I think that, without an even much heavier hand of government, we are going to continue to have multiple models running in parallel.  Some people will be happy with what they are in and some will not be.  Some will have the sense, money, and autonomy to change and some won&#039;t.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think the future of primary care physicians is likely as a trainer and supervisor of non-physicians and as a direct provider of care only as a boutique practice for those who pay for their own care.  Recognition of that is one reason so much of the general public are wary of reforms which take away their choice.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Saving primary care physicians as the primary provider of basic medical care is contingent on reform of the centralized payment systems that undervalue cognitive services with their non-market soviet syle centralized price fixing---and that isn&#039;t likely anytime soon.  Ideally physicians would be paid like other professions--a dollar rate per hour measured in fractions of an hour with the docs setting the dollar rates they want to try to charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to stop trying to fix the &#8220;system&#8221; and accept that there is no universal cureall &#8220;fix&#8221;, being sick sucks and is expensive, and always will be.</p>
<p>In a free society, we are all responsible for finding our own fixes and have the responsibility to do so.  I think that, without an even much heavier hand of government, we are going to continue to have multiple models running in parallel.  Some people will be happy with what they are in and some will not be.  Some will have the sense, money, and autonomy to change and some won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I think the future of primary care physicians is likely as a trainer and supervisor of non-physicians and as a direct provider of care only as a boutique practice for those who pay for their own care.  Recognition of that is one reason so much of the general public are wary of reforms which take away their choice.</p>
<p>Saving primary care physicians as the primary provider of basic medical care is contingent on reform of the centralized payment systems that undervalue cognitive services with their non-market soviet syle centralized price fixing&#8212;and that isn&#8217;t likely anytime soon.  Ideally physicians would be paid like other professions&#8211;a dollar rate per hour measured in fractions of an hour with the docs setting the dollar rates they want to try to charge.</p>
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		<title>By: DDx:dx</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/paying-to-remain-uninsured.html/comment-page-1#comment-83201</link>
		<dc:creator>DDx:dx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Kevin says to &quot;bolster&quot; primary care before mandating coverage. Isn&#039;t that a market manipulation? And I thought the market was the solution.&lt;br/&gt;Sorry Kevin. You and all the folks who think the system can be tweaked are delusional. It is horribly broken. At least from my perspective. 18 yrs of office FP medicine. That&#039;s why I quit. I didn&#039;t want to participate in a farce.&lt;br/&gt;At least I think it&#039;s broken. But if you read P.Levy&#039;s blog HE doesn&#039;t think it&#039;s broken. He&#039;s just slightly questioning the $2 million he spends annually MARKETING his radiologists and Orthopods.&lt;br/&gt;So perspective is crucial. I don&#039;t think the public thinks it&#039;s too broken. They are just worried about their cable bill.&lt;br/&gt;I have enjoyed watching your(Kevin&#039;s) perspective &quot;evolve&quot;. Mine still is. I am frequently tempted to think it is time for a revolution.&lt;br/&gt;http://poemd.blogspot.com/2007/02/terrorist-in-white-coat.html&lt;br/&gt;But get some politico so spout that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Kevin says to &#8220;bolster&#8221; primary care before mandating coverage. Isn&#8217;t that a market manipulation? And I thought the market was the solution.<br />Sorry Kevin. You and all the folks who think the system can be tweaked are delusional. It is horribly broken. At least from my perspective. 18 yrs of office FP medicine. That&#8217;s why I quit. I didn&#8217;t want to participate in a farce.<br />At least I think it&#8217;s broken. But if you read P.Levy&#8217;s blog HE doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s broken. He&#8217;s just slightly questioning the $2 million he spends annually MARKETING his radiologists and Orthopods.<br />So perspective is crucial. I don&#8217;t think the public thinks it&#8217;s too broken. They are just worried about their cable bill.<br />I have enjoyed watching your(Kevin&#8217;s) perspective &#8220;evolve&#8221;. Mine still is. I am frequently tempted to think it is time for a revolution.<br /><a href="http://poemd.blogspot.com/2007/02/terrorist-in-white-coat.html" rel="nofollow">http://poemd.blogspot.com/2007/02/terrorist-in-white-coat.html</a><br />But get some politico so spout that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DermDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>DermDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous has a point. The trend seems to be to use &quot;cheap&quot; labor to fill the primary care void. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Back in the 90&#039;s there was a huge push to get medical students into primary care (and rural medicine). Even the US News added primary care rankings of med schools. What was the result? There are still probably 3 to 1 applicants for every derm spot as for every family med spot. How many internal medicine residents at least apply for if not matriculate into GI or cards fellowships? Why? I would argue money (no cynicism implied). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Truly I think it is a laudable goal to reward physicians for working hard and caring for patients, whether medical or surgical. But to  call for parity between specialists and generalists sounds like magical thinking. How do you envision such a transformation? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Great post by the way, it is nice to see you argue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous has a point. The trend seems to be to use &#8220;cheap&#8221; labor to fill the primary care void. </p>
<p>Back in the 90&#8217;s there was a huge push to get medical students into primary care (and rural medicine). Even the US News added primary care rankings of med schools. What was the result? There are still probably 3 to 1 applicants for every derm spot as for every family med spot. How many internal medicine residents at least apply for if not matriculate into GI or cards fellowships? Why? I would argue money (no cynicism implied). </p>
<p>Truly I think it is a laudable goal to reward physicians for working hard and caring for patients, whether medical or surgical. But to  call for parity between specialists and generalists sounds like magical thinking. How do you envision such a transformation? </p>
<p>Great post by the way, it is nice to see you argue.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it time to face reality?  Insurers (particularly the government) aren&#039;t going to increase the income of primary care physicians.  What they will do is to replace the GPs by nurse practioners, physician&#039;s assistants, and eventually practical nurses.  &lt;i&gt;Vide&lt;/i&gt; the British National Health Service.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the not too distant future, primary care will be provided by sales clerks in the stores that house the retail &quot;clinics&quot; at which patients will be required to receive primary care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it time to face reality?  Insurers (particularly the government) aren&#8217;t going to increase the income of primary care physicians.  What they will do is to replace the GPs by nurse practioners, physician&#8217;s assistants, and eventually practical nurses.  <i>Vide</i> the British National Health Service.</p>
<p>In the not too distant future, primary care will be provided by sales clerks in the stores that house the retail &#8220;clinics&#8221; at which patients will be required to receive primary care.</p>
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