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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/fall-from-surgical-table.html/comment-page-1#comment-83179</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely there&#039;s a Korean dry cleaner they can name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely there&#8217;s a Korean dry cleaner they can name.</p>
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		<title>By: ArmyGas</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/fall-from-surgical-table.html/comment-page-1#comment-83168</link>
		<dc:creator>ArmyGas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with one of the previous comments, I am a CRNA and I believe that each person in that situation will bear some responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with one of the previous comments, I am a CRNA and I believe that each person in that situation will bear some responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: ArmyGas</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/fall-from-surgical-table.html/comment-page-1#comment-83167</link>
		<dc:creator>ArmyGas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would disagree with one of the previous comments, I believe that each person in that situation will bear some responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would disagree with one of the previous comments, I believe that each person in that situation will bear some responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/fall-from-surgical-table.html/comment-page-1#comment-83157</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m astonished that that the patient isn&#039;t being blamed here.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think that that safety issue is most directly the responsibility of the nurses, but legally, as they are under physician supervision, the case for resident repsonsibility can be made--but I don&#039;t know any OR nurses taking orders from residents on how to do their jobs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a practical level, I think that the residents bear at least some responsibility--if they were in the room still, what were they doing if not attending to the patient and putting out a hand to stop her from falling shouldn&#039;t be too much to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m astonished that that the patient isn&#8217;t being blamed here.</p>
<p>I think that that safety issue is most directly the responsibility of the nurses, but legally, as they are under physician supervision, the case for resident repsonsibility can be made&#8211;but I don&#8217;t know any OR nurses taking orders from residents on how to do their jobs.</p>
<p>At a practical level, I think that the residents bear at least some responsibility&#8211;if they were in the room still, what were they doing if not attending to the patient and putting out a hand to stop her from falling shouldn&#8217;t be too much to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/fall-from-surgical-table.html/comment-page-1#comment-83150</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an anesthetist and RN there is no doubt who was responsible and that is the OR nurses. It is both their responsibility and job description to  keep the belt in place and monitor the patient once it is removed until they are safely on the stretcher. This has nothing to do with anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an anesthetist and RN there is no doubt who was responsible and that is the OR nurses. It is both their responsibility and job description to  keep the belt in place and monitor the patient once it is removed until they are safely on the stretcher. This has nothing to do with anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.khulami.com/images/operating_tables/orthopaedic_pics.jpg&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Picture of orthopedic operating tables.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is one of the above tables probably what was used in this case?  Does anyone have a better picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.khulami.com/images/operating_tables/orthopaedic_pics.jpg" REL="nofollow">Picture of orthopedic operating tables.</a></p>
<p>Is one of the above tables probably what was used in this case?  Does anyone have a better picture?</p>
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		<title>By: SarahW</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/fall-from-surgical-table.html/comment-page-1#comment-83144</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon 2:40.  It is a wild leap from &quot;you can&#039;t prevent everything from happening&quot; to &quot;you can&#039;t prevent THAT from happening&quot;.  &lt;br/&gt;Neglect of the patient led to her demise.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Money can&#039;t return a relative, or undo suffering.  It&#039;s a literal price for the suffering and loss caused however, and an incentive to handle patients with the appropriate degree of care.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From the article - &lt;br/&gt;&quot; the hospital did its own &quot;root cause analysis&quot; and determined that the doctors and nurses in the operating room were preoccupied with their own tasks and that the &quot;removal of the . . . safety belt from the patient was not verbally communicated.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The hospital has adopted a protocol requiring all nurses and doctors put their hands on the patient before removing the safety belt and making sure that there are people on both sides of the table.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since the patient was near the end of her days, the wrongful death suit will have lower value.  Damages for her own suffering don&#039;t extinguish with her death, however, and the circumstances of the death were terrible and avoidable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The physicians  were present and still responsible for her proper care - and could have assisted her not falling through the table.  Assume they were not and examination of the facts would exculpate them - it is still the attorney&#039;s duty to name them in order to investigate their cuplability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 2:40.  It is a wild leap from &#8220;you can&#8217;t prevent everything from happening&#8221; to &#8220;you can&#8217;t prevent THAT from happening&#8221;.  <br />Neglect of the patient led to her demise.</p>
<p>Money can&#8217;t return a relative, or undo suffering.  It&#8217;s a literal price for the suffering and loss caused however, and an incentive to handle patients with the appropriate degree of care.</p>
<p>From the article &#8211; <br />&#8221; the hospital did its own &#8220;root cause analysis&#8221; and determined that the doctors and nurses in the operating room were preoccupied with their own tasks and that the &#8220;removal of the . . . safety belt from the patient was not verbally communicated.&#8221;</p>
<p>The hospital has adopted a protocol requiring all nurses and doctors put their hands on the patient before removing the safety belt and making sure that there are people on both sides of the table.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since the patient was near the end of her days, the wrongful death suit will have lower value.  Damages for her own suffering don&#8217;t extinguish with her death, however, and the circumstances of the death were terrible and avoidable.</p>
<p>The physicians  were present and still responsible for her proper care &#8211; and could have assisted her not falling through the table.  Assume they were not and examination of the facts would exculpate them &#8211; it is still the attorney&#8217;s duty to name them in order to investigate their cuplability.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/fall-from-surgical-table.html/comment-page-1#comment-83141</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its interesting that the ortho and anesthesia attendings were not named in the suit. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This should remind us that the courts consider residents real physicians with real responsibilities - even if the academic medical establishment treats them like cheap servants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its interesting that the ortho and anesthesia attendings were not named in the suit. </p>
<p>This should remind us that the courts consider residents real physicians with real responsibilities &#8211; even if the academic medical establishment treats them like cheap servants.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will people realize that you can&#039;t prevent everything from happening!  Unfortunately, it seems that they are just looking for money. And we all know that&#039;s going to make her death that much easier to deal with :::eyes rolling:::</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will people realize that you can&#8217;t prevent everything from happening!  Unfortunately, it seems that they are just looking for money. And we all know that&#8217;s going to make her death that much easier to deal with :::eyes rolling:::</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2008/01/fall-from-surgical-table.html/comment-page-1#comment-83137</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the doctors aren&#039;t responsible for the care of the patient, who is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the doctors aren&#8217;t responsible for the care of the patient, who is?</p>
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