Comments on: The surgical resident and the penis http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82394 Anonymous Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:35:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82394 Penises sure do cause a lot of trouble. In an era of test-tube and petri dish babies, perhaps this somewhat vestigial organ will shrink away via evolutionary pressures. I think an "eye-for-an-eye" might have best fit the crime here. Perhaps the surgical resident could have had a tattoo performed on his private such as "shortcoming" rather than have a career and hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars wasted. Penises sure do cause a lot of trouble. In an era of test-tube and petri dish babies, perhaps this somewhat vestigial organ will shrink away via evolutionary pressures. I think an “eye-for-an-eye” might have best fit the crime here. Perhaps the surgical resident could have had a tattoo performed on his private such as “shortcoming” rather than have a career and hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars wasted.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82390 Anonymous Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:48:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82390 Anon 07:19:<br/><br/>1: "Written consent in a hospital/clinic setting is garbage. Those forms are rushed past, the doctors rarely bother to explain, and if you do get an opportunity to actually read the form, you find.."<br/><br/>Be proactive in your own medical care anon not a whiner. If you don't understand something say so. If you feel like you are being rushed say so. If you want to read the consent and hold on the surgery say so ( I personally consent on the last visit BEFORE the surgery for these very reasons). As far the legalist way these fopmrs are written. Don't blame the doctor on that one, a lawyer was involved in the form.<br/><br/>2:"And to point fingers at someone who has the courage to blow the whistle...incredible."<br/><br/>Do you have any idea what whistle blower protection is? If the OR person went through proper channels they would have complete protection. This is federal. The surgery happened December 11th. Don't anybody give me this crap about how that person had gone through proper channels and got the cold shoulder. This person had a vendetta (for whatever reason) and went to the papers as an anon. This person doesn't have courage they are a coward and certainly should be fired. Anon 07:19:

1: “Written consent in a hospital/clinic setting is garbage. Those forms are rushed past, the doctors rarely bother to explain, and if you do get an opportunity to actually read the form, you find..”

Be proactive in your own medical care anon not a whiner. If you don’t understand something say so. If you feel like you are being rushed say so. If you want to read the consent and hold on the surgery say so ( I personally consent on the last visit BEFORE the surgery for these very reasons). As far the legalist way these fopmrs are written. Don’t blame the doctor on that one, a lawyer was involved in the form.

2:”And to point fingers at someone who has the courage to blow the whistle…incredible.”

Do you have any idea what whistle blower protection is? If the OR person went through proper channels they would have complete protection. This is federal. The surgery happened December 11th. Don’t anybody give me this crap about how that person had gone through proper channels and got the cold shoulder. This person had a vendetta (for whatever reason) and went to the papers as an anon. This person doesn’t have courage they are a coward and certainly should be fired.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82383 Anonymous Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:33:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82383 be careful of what you read on the internet <br/><br/>http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=nw20071221013004574C795223<br/><br/>Adam Hansen, chief of general surgery at the Nobel Prize-winning Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale ...<br/><br/>:) be careful of what you read on the internet

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=nw20071221013004574C795223

Adam Hansen, chief of general surgery at the Nobel Prize-winning Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale …

:)

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82381 Anonymous Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:00:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82381 There are X-rays of various foreign objects people have stuck in their rectum, requiring surgical removal. Surely you've seen them. There's no patient identifier. Is that a violation? The tattooed penis likely was not identifiable to an individual. As far as I know, the picture was erased, no evidence remains. We do consent to being photographed when we enter surgery. We often photograph parts not directly related to the surgery for education. Nail polish, various body jewelry, we sometimes photograph to remind us to look out for that sort of thing when prepping a patient for surgery.<br/><br/>He was a Chief Resident, just a few months shy of finishing. There are X-rays of various foreign objects people have stuck in their rectum, requiring surgical removal. Surely you’ve seen them. There’s no patient identifier. Is that a violation? The tattooed penis likely was not identifiable to an individual. As far as I know, the picture was erased, no evidence remains. We do consent to being photographed when we enter surgery. We often photograph parts not directly related to the surgery for education. Nail polish, various body jewelry, we sometimes photograph to remind us to look out for that sort of thing when prepping a patient for surgery.

He was a Chief Resident, just a few months shy of finishing.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82380 Anonymous Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:44:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82380 Looks like the surgery resident got fired:<br/><br/>http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2007-sct/4392.html<br/><br/>From his listing on the Arizona Medical Board site, it looks like he was probably a senior resident. What a waste. Looks like the surgery resident got fired:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2007-sct/4392.html

From his listing on the Arizona Medical Board site, it looks like he was probably a senior resident. What a waste.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82371 Anonymous Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:19:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82371 "If the patient gave general permission for photographs, as is usually part of an admission consent at most teaching hospitals, taking the photo was not wrongful as long as its use was confined to the educational purposes usually outlined in the consent."<br/><br/> Couple of things are wrong with this.<br/> Last time I had surgery, the photo consent was included as a part of the informed consent, which one has to sign before the doctor will do the surgery. In effect, you either agree to be photographed or you don't get the surgery. They should be separated.<br/> Second, if any photographs are taken, they should be resticted to having relevance to the procedure at hand. If I sign the photo consent before having wisdom teeth removed, I shouldn't have to worry that the oral surgeon might decide to take a snapshot of my crotch. My consent was for oral surgery, not for you to go exploring wherever the heck you please.<br/> Written consent in a hospital/clinic setting is garbage. Those forms are rushed past, the doctors rarely bother to explain, and if you do get an opportunity to actually read the form, you find it written in such purposefully unintelligible gibberish that the doctor's risk management attorneys could probably argue that you've given permission to have just about anything done to you.<br/> And to point fingers at someone who has the courage to blow the whistle...incredible. “If the patient gave general permission for photographs, as is usually part of an admission consent at most teaching hospitals, taking the photo was not wrongful as long as its use was confined to the educational purposes usually outlined in the consent.”

Couple of things are wrong with this.
Last time I had surgery, the photo consent was included as a part of the informed consent, which one has to sign before the doctor will do the surgery. In effect, you either agree to be photographed or you don’t get the surgery. They should be separated.
Second, if any photographs are taken, they should be resticted to having relevance to the procedure at hand. If I sign the photo consent before having wisdom teeth removed, I shouldn’t have to worry that the oral surgeon might decide to take a snapshot of my crotch. My consent was for oral surgery, not for you to go exploring wherever the heck you please.
Written consent in a hospital/clinic setting is garbage. Those forms are rushed past, the doctors rarely bother to explain, and if you do get an opportunity to actually read the form, you find it written in such purposefully unintelligible gibberish that the doctor’s risk management attorneys could probably argue that you’ve given permission to have just about anything done to you.
And to point fingers at someone who has the courage to blow the whistle…incredible.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82369 Anonymous Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:40:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82369 The tattoo read \"HOT ROD\" in a cold operating room.<br/><br/>After the strippers give him a lap dance, it reads \"HAVE A GREAT OLD TIME IN RHODE ISLAND\". The tattoo read \”HOT ROD\” in a cold operating room.

After the strippers give him a lap dance, it reads \”HAVE A GREAT OLD TIME IN RHODE ISLAND\”.

]]> By: leuchterhttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82365 leuchter Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:09:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82365 Anon, my example was not to equate the severity of the offense, but to point out that the reputation of the "victim" has no bearing in law.<br/><br/>btw, you are one prickly guy, lighten up. Anon, my example was not to equate the severity of the offense, but to point out that the reputation of the “victim” has no bearing in law.

btw, you are one prickly guy, lighten up.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82358 Anonymous Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:05:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82358 Leuchter, you are confusing a photograph with an assault. Seems like a departure from logic, and they aren't the same.<br/><br/>If the patient gave general permission for photographs, as is usually part of an admission consent at most teaching hospitals, taking the photo was not wrongful as long as its use was confined to the educational purposes usually outlined in the consent. So not "rape." Not anything like that.<br/><br/>Your shrill attempt to muddy the discussion with your gibberish about town pumps misses the point: was his tattoo a secret or not? If not, then knowledge about it doesn't seem like much of a breach of privacy.<br/><br/>Stick to the facts. Stirring it up with unrelated stock talking points on women's rights and rape makes you seem unable to keep on point. So try a little harder.<br/><br/>And yes, the claims are laughable.<br/>Too bad you fail to see the humor of it.<br/><br/>Come to think of it, I am wondering whether I ought to photograph particularly odd or poorly-done tattoos just to document the patient's appearance at the time of surgeries. Sooner or later, someone will be blaming the surgeon for altering or damaging their bad-taste body art at surgery. Don't want that. Leuchter, you are confusing a photograph with an assault. Seems like a departure from logic, and they aren’t the same.

If the patient gave general permission for photographs, as is usually part of an admission consent at most teaching hospitals, taking the photo was not wrongful as long as its use was confined to the educational purposes usually outlined in the consent. So not “rape.” Not anything like that.

Your shrill attempt to muddy the discussion with your gibberish about town pumps misses the point: was his tattoo a secret or not? If not, then knowledge about it doesn’t seem like much of a breach of privacy.

Stick to the facts. Stirring it up with unrelated stock talking points on women’s rights and rape makes you seem unable to keep on point. So try a little harder.

And yes, the claims are laughable.
Too bad you fail to see the humor of it.

Come to think of it, I am wondering whether I ought to photograph particularly odd or poorly-done tattoos just to document the patient’s appearance at the time of surgeries. Sooner or later, someone will be blaming the surgeon for altering or damaging their bad-taste body art at surgery. Don’t want that.

]]> By: leuchterhttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/12/surgical-resident-and-penis.html#comment-82354 leuchter Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:45:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/12/the-surgical-resident-and-the-penis.html#comment-82354 >>"It is laughable on its face when you consider the patient was a 27-year-old owner of a strip club. Do you suppose the tattoo was a secret?"<br/><br/><br/>Anon, if a woman is raped, the fact that she was the town slut doesn't lessen the crime in the eyes of the law. Isn't there some saying that justice is blind. >>”It is laughable on its face when you consider the patient was a 27-year-old owner of a strip club. Do you suppose the tattoo was a secret?”

Anon, if a woman is raped, the fact that she was the town slut doesn’t lessen the crime in the eyes of the law. Isn’t there some saying that justice is blind.

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