<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: So, you want to pay your doctor extra?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:28:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81637</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81637</guid> <description>&quot;the laborer is worthy of his hire&quot;&lt;br/&gt;               ---Jesus Christ&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Medicaid and Medicare are not charity.  A physician chosing to treat a poor patient for free or a reduced reimbursment is charity.  Those programs confiscate money from the public and hire the doc to provide the care so the political establishment can buy the loyalty of voters.  There is no moral import to accepting or rejecting the wage.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The richest person in town, if they are over 65, gets the same enforced discount as the poorest.  It has naught to do with charity.  Over 50% of the wealth of the nation is in the hands of those over 65.  Even many Medicaid enrolless are the unaknowledged offspring of men making very good money, some dealing drugs, who have offloaded the responsibility for the care and feeding of their offspring onto a gullible public.   A great many others on Medicaid are the prosperous elderly who gave their substantial assets to their children while sending their healthcare and nursing home bills to other peoples children.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Where there is coercion, there is no charity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the laborer is worthy of his hire&#8221;<br /> &#8212;Jesus Christ</p><p>Medicaid and Medicare are not charity.  A physician chosing to treat a poor patient for free or a reduced reimbursment is charity.  Those programs confiscate money from the public and hire the doc to provide the care so the political establishment can buy the loyalty of voters.  There is no moral import to accepting or rejecting the wage.</p><p>The richest person in town, if they are over 65, gets the same enforced discount as the poorest.  It has naught to do with charity.  Over 50% of the wealth of the nation is in the hands of those over 65.  Even many Medicaid enrolless are the unaknowledged offspring of men making very good money, some dealing drugs, who have offloaded the responsibility for the care and feeding of their offspring onto a gullible public.   A great many others on Medicaid are the prosperous elderly who gave their substantial assets to their children while sending their healthcare and nursing home bills to other peoples children.</p><p>Where there is coercion, there is no charity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Happy Hospitalist</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81618</link> <dc:creator>The Happy Hospitalist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81618</guid> <description>PH, like I said, good like on your journey for your answers.  I stand by my statements.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PH, like I said, good like on your journey for your answers.  I stand by my statements.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81615</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81615</guid> <description>&quot;A question. So what a someone who is over 70 is supposed to do? What are you going to do when you are in medicare age? Does buying medicare supplement help?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think these are very good questions that affect all of us, including physicians.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One answer is to keep working and your private insurance.  Many of my patients have done this.  This is not the real solution however as most private insurance simply follows Medicare rates nowadays. Supplements only pay up to the 20% of Medicare&#039;s monopoly &quot;allowable&quot; not covered by Medicare directly.     In general, providers may charge not a penny more or less than the rate set by Medicare.  So if you want a &quot;premium&quot; experience with leather chairs, Starbucks coffee, and real face time with your physician, this is not going to happen within the confines of the present system. That is why most offices resemble a bus terminal nowadays.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I believe that as the situation and access worsens, the law will have to be changed to allow Medicare beneficiaries to use their benefit as partial payment with private insurance, health care savings accounts, or private funds paying the difference so that you may see whomever you care to without having to worry that they do not accept Medicare.  That would be the American way.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Believe me that physicians should be worried about how they themselves will obtain medical care in the future.  We are all patients someday.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A question. So what a someone who is over 70 is supposed to do? What are you going to do when you are in medicare age? Does buying medicare supplement help?&#8221;</p><p>I think these are very good questions that affect all of us, including physicians.</p><p>One answer is to keep working and your private insurance.  Many of my patients have done this.  This is not the real solution however as most private insurance simply follows Medicare rates nowadays. Supplements only pay up to the 20% of Medicare&#8217;s monopoly &#8220;allowable&#8221; not covered by Medicare directly.     In general, providers may charge not a penny more or less than the rate set by Medicare.  So if you want a &#8220;premium&#8221; experience with leather chairs, Starbucks coffee, and real face time with your physician, this is not going to happen within the confines of the present system. That is why most offices resemble a bus terminal nowadays.</p><p>I believe that as the situation and access worsens, the law will have to be changed to allow Medicare beneficiaries to use their benefit as partial payment with private insurance, health care savings accounts, or private funds paying the difference so that you may see whomever you care to without having to worry that they do not accept Medicare.  That would be the American way.</p><p>Believe me that physicians should be worried about how they themselves will obtain medical care in the future.  We are all patients someday.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81612</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81612</guid> <description>A question. So what a someone who is over 70 is supposed to do? What are you going to do when you are in medicare age? Does buying medicare supplement help?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is not a tricky or sarcastic question, just an honest request for information from a younger baby boomer whose parents are elderly and on medicare and who herself is going to be on medicare at some point (if it still exists then).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question. So what a someone who is over 70 is supposed to do? What are you going to do when you are in medicare age? Does buying medicare supplement help?</p><p>This is not a tricky or sarcastic question, just an honest request for information from a younger baby boomer whose parents are elderly and on medicare and who herself is going to be on medicare at some point (if it still exists then).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Payne Hertz</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81611</link> <dc:creator>Payne Hertz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:58:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81611</guid> <description>Hospitalist, I don&#039;t see where I asked you for anything, let alone 11 refills of narcotics. I don&#039;t even take narcotics. I realize it is easier to lump all chronic pain patients together into such an obviously inflated caricature for easy disposal rather than to think critically, but if this is the attitude you take with your patients then be grateful, Medicaid is already paying you more than you&#039;re worth.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hospitalist, I don&#8217;t see where I asked you for anything, let alone 11 refills of narcotics. I don&#8217;t even take narcotics. I realize it is easier to lump all chronic pain patients together into such an obviously inflated caricature for easy disposal rather than to think critically, but if this is the attitude you take with your patients then be grateful, Medicaid is already paying you more than you&#8217;re worth.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Happy Hospitalist</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81607</link> <dc:creator>The Happy Hospitalist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81607</guid> <description>&quot;No one is &quot;blaming&quot; him, but why does he keep accepting the govt.&#039;s money if he&#039;s just going to complain about having to act in accordance with its rules?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The short answer, is they aren&#039;t.  More and more primary care docs are either walking away for the system or simply not entering the primary care field.  There in lies the answer to your shortage.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Wait for medicare&#039;s 40% cuts over the next five years to take hold.  You&#039;ll here primary care docs saying. &quot;Medicare?  are you serious, I stopped taking that years ago, and it was the best decision of my life.&quot;  Many are already doing so now and one need only look at medicaid to understand the trend.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No one is &#8220;blaming&#8221; him, but why does he keep accepting the govt.&#8217;s money if he&#8217;s just going to complain about having to act in accordance with its rules?&#8221;</p><p>The short answer, is they aren&#8217;t.  More and more primary care docs are either walking away for the system or simply not entering the primary care field.  There in lies the answer to your shortage.</p><p>Wait for medicare&#8217;s 40% cuts over the next five years to take hold.  You&#8217;ll here primary care docs saying. &#8220;Medicare?  are you serious, I stopped taking that years ago, and it was the best decision of my life.&#8221;  Many are already doing so now and one need only look at medicaid to understand the trend.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Happy Hospitalist</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81606</link> <dc:creator>The Happy Hospitalist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81606</guid> <description>PH,  your ignorance of the economics of the situation is quite obvious.&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;Asking me, a doc to give you 11 refills on you morphine or oxycontin or hydrocodone is like calling the DEA myself, and turning myself in for trafficking in a controlled substance.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You sound like you need  more than pain medication to help you.  I hope you find the answers, because what you know you need is not what any doctor will ever be able to offer.  Good luck in your journey.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PH,  your ignorance of the economics of the situation is quite obvious.</p><p>Asking me, a doc to give you 11 refills on you morphine or oxycontin or hydrocodone is like calling the DEA myself, and turning myself in for trafficking in a controlled substance.</p><p>You sound like you need  more than pain medication to help you.  I hope you find the answers, because what you know you need is not what any doctor will ever be able to offer.  Good luck in your journey.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81605</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81605</guid> <description>&quot;&quot;No one has a right to someone else&#039;s labor without just payment for that labor.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Amen.&lt;br/&gt;# posted by Anonymous : 12:07 PM&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yikes, that&#039;s a good one.  I can remember all the little premeds who used to &quot;offer their services&quot; free of charge at our hospital, so the little SUCKUPS could write on their resumes that they were interested in patient care.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now those little pissheads want to be paid.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;No one has a right to someone else&#8217;s labor without just payment for that labor.&#8221;</p><p>Amen.<br /># posted by Anonymous : 12:07 PM&#8221;</p><p>Yikes, that&#8217;s a good one.  I can remember all the little premeds who used to &#8220;offer their services&#8221; free of charge at our hospital, so the little SUCKUPS could write on their resumes that they were interested in patient care.</p><p>Now those little pissheads want to be paid.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Payne Hertz</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81602</link> <dc:creator>Payne Hertz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81602</guid> <description>Speaking of &quot;thieves and parasites,” why does anyone have to go to a doctor at all? Oh, that&#039;s right, the government you hate so much enforces the monopoly you have over medications which are only available by prescription, and enforces the monopoly drug companies have over those medications, some of which used to be available without a prescription. So if I need a refill of a medication I&#039;ve been taking for years, I have to go to you for approval once a month, hand over more money for five minutes worth of abuse, humiliation and condescension, take a bunch of expensive tests that I&#039;ve already had so you can CYA and make a little money from the kickbacks, and then pay a king&#039;s ransom to the drug company to get a med that would cost 1/30th as much if there was truly a free market in medicine. Most people I know with chronic pain who have to pay out of pocket for their medical care lay out tens of thousands of dollars on useless tests and procedures and &quot;doctor shopping&quot; until they can find someone who will &quot;treat their pain&quot; (aka, do something besides treat them like drug addicts and shuffle them out the door with the bill in hand). Once you&#039;ve found this rare creature, you then get to lay out around $1,000 a month for doctor visists and what is usually a substandard amount of medication, based not on your need for pain relief but on your doctor&#039;s comfort zone in prescribing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then the government asks you to pay for this privilege by seeing  ahandful of poor patients at a reduced rate, and you balk. So yeah, let&#039;s bring back the free market you doctors say you want so badly, and go back to the days when you could buy drugs without a prescription, and doctors had to travel 30 miles to get paid with chickens and goats. I&#039;ll be happy to wave hello to you as I walk out of the pharmacy with my $15 bottle of laudanum in hand. As the old saying goes, be careful what you ask for, you might get what you deserve.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of &#8220;thieves and parasites,” why does anyone have to go to a doctor at all? Oh, that&#8217;s right, the government you hate so much enforces the monopoly you have over medications which are only available by prescription, and enforces the monopoly drug companies have over those medications, some of which used to be available without a prescription. So if I need a refill of a medication I&#8217;ve been taking for years, I have to go to you for approval once a month, hand over more money for five minutes worth of abuse, humiliation and condescension, take a bunch of expensive tests that I&#8217;ve already had so you can CYA and make a little money from the kickbacks, and then pay a king&#8217;s ransom to the drug company to get a med that would cost 1/30th as much if there was truly a free market in medicine. Most people I know with chronic pain who have to pay out of pocket for their medical care lay out tens of thousands of dollars on useless tests and procedures and &#8220;doctor shopping&#8221; until they can find someone who will &#8220;treat their pain&#8221; (aka, do something besides treat them like drug addicts and shuffle them out the door with the bill in hand). Once you&#8217;ve found this rare creature, you then get to lay out around $1,000 a month for doctor visists and what is usually a substandard amount of medication, based not on your need for pain relief but on your doctor&#8217;s comfort zone in prescribing.</p><p>Then the government asks you to pay for this privilege by seeing  ahandful of poor patients at a reduced rate, and you balk. So yeah, let&#8217;s bring back the free market you doctors say you want so badly, and go back to the days when you could buy drugs without a prescription, and doctors had to travel 30 miles to get paid with chickens and goats. I&#8217;ll be happy to wave hello to you as I walk out of the pharmacy with my $15 bottle of laudanum in hand. As the old saying goes, be careful what you ask for, you might get what you deserve.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81598</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/11/so-you-want-to-pay-your-doctor-extra.html#comment-81598</guid> <description>&quot;No one has a right to someone else&#039;s labor without just payment for that labor.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Amen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No one has a right to someone else&#8217;s labor without just payment for that labor.&#8221;</p><p>Amen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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