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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/rural-ers.html/comment-page-1#comment-80838</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just answer the question with a simple yes or no - talk about being obtuse..</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/rural-ers.html/comment-page-1#comment-80832</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you purposefully being obtuse or does it just appear that such is the case?  What aspect of my response did you not understand?  Let me know and I will clarify it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you purposefully being obtuse or does it just appear that such is the case?  What aspect of my response did you not understand?  Let me know and I will clarify it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/rural-ers.html/comment-page-1#comment-80823</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Crim, you didn&#039;t answer the question - it was simple, unlike your verbose meanderings and rants about providers &quot;special privileges&quot;. Lord, what horse manure you write. So, again, I ask - would you stay in a rural area as the only trauma surgeon in town, having no life and being poorly reimbursed, if at all? A simple answer will suffice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Crim, you didn&#8217;t answer the question &#8211; it was simple, unlike your verbose meanderings and rants about providers &#8220;special privileges&#8221;. Lord, what horse manure you write. So, again, I ask &#8211; would you stay in a rural area as the only trauma surgeon in town, having no life and being poorly reimbursed, if at all? A simple answer will suffice.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/rural-ers.html/comment-page-1#comment-80820</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did answer the question, though the answer, like, you did not.  I would do exactly as the existing providers are doing now.  I would eschew any and all of this &quot;do no harm&quot; nonsense or &quot;gallant egalitarianism&quot; nonsense.    The rural populace, after all, are only potential patients.  I would use my market position to demand special legal rights and privileges while demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in compensation.  If the populace did not comply, I would abandon them and practice somewhere else.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The current system will not change until there is a fundamental realignment towards neutrality in the supply-demand equation.  Until then, the providers hold the proverbial cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did answer the question, though the answer, like, you did not.  I would do exactly as the existing providers are doing now.  I would eschew any and all of this &#8220;do no harm&#8221; nonsense or &#8220;gallant egalitarianism&#8221; nonsense.    The rural populace, after all, are only potential patients.  I would use my market position to demand special legal rights and privileges while demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in compensation.  If the populace did not comply, I would abandon them and practice somewhere else.</p>
<p>The current system will not change until there is a fundamental realignment towards neutrality in the supply-demand equation.  Until then, the providers hold the proverbial cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/rural-ers.html/comment-page-1#comment-80815</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crim,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your sarcasm - not - aside, you didn&#039;t answer the question I posed - would you leave a rural area if you were the sole or second trauma surgeon? And think before you pontificate with your clueless sarcasm - rural areas can&#039;t afford to pay &quot;princely&quot; sums, no one else besides your delusional mind thinks that doctors lord it over others, and no one is extorting the patient population no matter what you may think. Answer the question - would you stay or go? Leave the sarcasm out of your answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crim,</p>
<p>Your sarcasm &#8211; not &#8211; aside, you didn&#8217;t answer the question I posed &#8211; would you leave a rural area if you were the sole or second trauma surgeon? And think before you pontificate with your clueless sarcasm &#8211; rural areas can&#8217;t afford to pay &#8220;princely&#8221; sums, no one else besides your delusional mind thinks that doctors lord it over others, and no one is extorting the patient population no matter what you may think. Answer the question &#8211; would you stay or go? Leave the sarcasm out of your answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/rural-ers.html/comment-page-1#comment-80803</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would do exactly what the providers are doing now: Extort the patient populace, threaten them with abandonment and demand that I be payed a princely sum for lording over them.  I would also demand special legal rights and privileges available to no other field of endeavor.  Just like with the existing providers of today, I would recruit the captive populace to fight by proxy to help enrich me even further and to shield me from liability.  After that I would take the Ferrari (one of three) for a spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would do exactly what the providers are doing now: Extort the patient populace, threaten them with abandonment and demand that I be payed a princely sum for lording over them.  I would also demand special legal rights and privileges available to no other field of endeavor.  Just like with the existing providers of today, I would recruit the captive populace to fight by proxy to help enrich me even further and to shield me from liability.  After that I would take the Ferrari (one of three) for a spin.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/rural-ers.html/comment-page-1#comment-80789</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crim,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With all your hyperbole about Flexner and your rants about patient abandonment, let&#039;s ask you the real question - if you were a trauma doc in a rural area, on call every or every other night, with no life to speak of, wouldn&#039;t YOU want to leave and go elsewhere? Or would your beneficent and altruistic spirit keep you in the boondocks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crim,</p>
<p>With all your hyperbole about Flexner and your rants about patient abandonment, let&#8217;s ask you the real question &#8211; if you were a trauma doc in a rural area, on call every or every other night, with no life to speak of, wouldn&#8217;t YOU want to leave and go elsewhere? Or would your beneficent and altruistic spirit keep you in the boondocks?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Revoking medical licensure from &quot;bad&quot; doctors will never happen. The legal lobby will see to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revoking medical licensure from &#8220;bad&#8221; doctors will never happen. The legal lobby will see to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/rural-ers.html/comment-page-1#comment-80780</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okulus:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Flexner model is based, in part, on the antecedent German medical education model of the time.  In looking at Flexner, there were two groups of suggestions made.  The first deals with the nature of the education required.  I find it to be a bit much with the &quot;basic sciences&quot; emphasis to be a bit drawn out.  The curriculum is something that can be tweaked but should stay relatively intact.  The second deals with restricting supply.  Closing over half of the existing schools at the time, coupling schools to large research institutions, precluding for profit schools, etc. are all for the sole purpose of restricting supply.  If it were up to me, I would remove all of the supply limiting portions and let the weeding out occur via the USMLE and the residency process.  If the USMLE is worth anything when it comes to weeding out the incompetents then there should be no complaint against this.  Foreign schools that do not follow one, some, many or all of the supply side restricting tenets of Flexner produce graduates that can and do pass the USMLEs (while being held to a higher standard than their domestic counterparts) thereby showing the fallacy of the overtly restrictive nature of the supply side restriction segments of Flexner.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For any new schools opening that don&#039;t meet current CME guidelines but that can obtain regional accreditation, I would suggest following the California legal model.  License to practice in their state of training but without comity to obtain licensure in other states.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The current system places the restriction on those that can enter medical school.  Once in, a C average (pass) is sufficient to make it through.  Once licensed, any discussions of &quot;quality&quot; go out the door as it is virtually impossible to remove licensure from even the most derelict of providers.  The level of &quot;quality&quot; that is tolerated from the licensed providers is not commensurate with the level of purported quality demanded of students applying for entry into the domestic medical schools.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would rather see a system based on the free market when it comes to providers.  Those, that through their skill, excel should be compensated to the degree that the market will bear.  Those that do not should not.  Under the current system, the most hack of quacks is guaranteed a high after expense compensation rate and it has nothing to do with his/her skills but instead has everything to do with a marketplace in which supply is restricted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okulus:</p>
<p>The Flexner model is based, in part, on the antecedent German medical education model of the time.  In looking at Flexner, there were two groups of suggestions made.  The first deals with the nature of the education required.  I find it to be a bit much with the &#8220;basic sciences&#8221; emphasis to be a bit drawn out.  The curriculum is something that can be tweaked but should stay relatively intact.  The second deals with restricting supply.  Closing over half of the existing schools at the time, coupling schools to large research institutions, precluding for profit schools, etc. are all for the sole purpose of restricting supply.  If it were up to me, I would remove all of the supply limiting portions and let the weeding out occur via the USMLE and the residency process.  If the USMLE is worth anything when it comes to weeding out the incompetents then there should be no complaint against this.  Foreign schools that do not follow one, some, many or all of the supply side restricting tenets of Flexner produce graduates that can and do pass the USMLEs (while being held to a higher standard than their domestic counterparts) thereby showing the fallacy of the overtly restrictive nature of the supply side restriction segments of Flexner.  </p>
<p>For any new schools opening that don&#8217;t meet current CME guidelines but that can obtain regional accreditation, I would suggest following the California legal model.  License to practice in their state of training but without comity to obtain licensure in other states.</p>
<p>The current system places the restriction on those that can enter medical school.  Once in, a C average (pass) is sufficient to make it through.  Once licensed, any discussions of &#8220;quality&#8221; go out the door as it is virtually impossible to remove licensure from even the most derelict of providers.  The level of &#8220;quality&#8221; that is tolerated from the licensed providers is not commensurate with the level of purported quality demanded of students applying for entry into the domestic medical schools.</p>
<p>I would rather see a system based on the free market when it comes to providers.  Those, that through their skill, excel should be compensated to the degree that the market will bear.  Those that do not should not.  Under the current system, the most hack of quacks is guaranteed a high after expense compensation rate and it has nothing to do with his/her skills but instead has everything to do with a marketplace in which supply is restricted.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/rural-ers.html/comment-page-1#comment-80770</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people keep ignoring the fact that there are two established training pathways for what is regarded as full medical practice rights in the USA.....MD and DO.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By definition, there is no monopoly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Add to that the expansion of practice rights for nurses, naturopaths, chiropractors, optometrists, dentists, posiatrists, the whole argument for monopoly is rather silly, to put it mildly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people keep ignoring the fact that there are two established training pathways for what is regarded as full medical practice rights in the USA&#8230;..MD and DO.</p>
<p>By definition, there is no monopoly.</p>
<p>Add to that the expansion of practice rights for nurses, naturopaths, chiropractors, optometrists, dentists, posiatrists, the whole argument for monopoly is rather silly, to put it mildly.</p>
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