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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the anonymous poster above regarding the Cleveland Clinic posting their CT Scan price: Where? They do not post them in the office or lobby where a patient may actually be exposed to it. The doctors nor staff do not make any attempt to make the cost known. Even if it was posted, they do not tell you how many pictures they are going to take.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was just there in May of 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the anonymous poster above regarding the Cleveland Clinic posting their CT Scan price: Where? They do not post them in the office or lobby where a patient may actually be exposed to it. The doctors nor staff do not make any attempt to make the cost known. Even if it was posted, they do not tell you how many pictures they are going to take.</p>
<p>I was just there in May of 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wish I would have seen this 1 month ago. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have had what I thought was an abdominal muscle strain that just kept getting re-aggrevated. I finally went to a doctor at the Cleveland Clinic and he diagnosed me with an Inguinal Hernia. He was wrong. He sent me to the surgeon. The surgeon could not find the Hernia and casually sent me for a CT Scan. No discussion about costs or what this test was about. I did not have the background or frame of mind to ask about costs. I figured it could not be much because I am just getting diagnosed for simply either a aggrevated muscle or a hernia. Medical 101. Nothing else was discussed. The CT scan showed that I did not have an inguinal hernia. I do have an aggrevated muscle.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My bill came the other day and they charged me $3500 for 2 CT scans. ????? I am at wits end.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Clinic is telling me I should have asked for the costs. I am telling them they should have let me know this is an expensive procedure and that it is not really necessary. Am I supposed to ask for the costs and how many pictures they are going to take? I am just an ignorant patient who goes to see a doctor about once every 5 years. The Cleveland Clinic posts a patients bill of rights but I say it is lip service. I did not experience world class treatment nor customer service. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What can I do to fight this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I wish I would have seen this 1 month ago. </p>
<p>I have had what I thought was an abdominal muscle strain that just kept getting re-aggrevated. I finally went to a doctor at the Cleveland Clinic and he diagnosed me with an Inguinal Hernia. He was wrong. He sent me to the surgeon. The surgeon could not find the Hernia and casually sent me for a CT Scan. No discussion about costs or what this test was about. I did not have the background or frame of mind to ask about costs. I figured it could not be much because I am just getting diagnosed for simply either a aggrevated muscle or a hernia. Medical 101. Nothing else was discussed. The CT scan showed that I did not have an inguinal hernia. I do have an aggrevated muscle.</p>
<p>My bill came the other day and they charged me $3500 for 2 CT scans. ????? I am at wits end.</p>
<p>The Clinic is telling me I should have asked for the costs. I am telling them they should have let me know this is an expensive procedure and that it is not really necessary. Am I supposed to ask for the costs and how many pictures they are going to take? I am just an ignorant patient who goes to see a doctor about once every 5 years. The Cleveland Clinic posts a patients bill of rights but I say it is lip service. I did not experience world class treatment nor customer service. </p>
<p>What can I do to fight this?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cleveland Clinic posts fees. You&#039;re seeing more and more of this, as you see more patients with Health Savings Accounts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Abdominal CT with contrast is $1910 at the Cleveland Clinic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://cms.clevelandclinic.org/documents/CCMain_HB197_2007.pdf&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That &quot;rack rate&quot; of seven grand is going to get cut back quite a bit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Kevin, if you still have any connection with the reporters who did the news segment, you may want to point them in that direction. The grossly inflated &quot;rack rate&quot; at most hospitals, and how the uninsured can get stuck actually paying that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleveland Clinic posts fees. You&#8217;re seeing more and more of this, as you see more patients with Health Savings Accounts.</p>
<p>Abdominal CT with contrast is $1910 at the Cleveland Clinic.</p>
<p><a href="http://cms.clevelandclinic.org/documents/CCMain_HB197_2007.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cms.clevelandclinic.org/documents/CCMain_HB197_2007.pdf</a></p>
<p>That &#8220;rack rate&#8221; of seven grand is going to get cut back quite a bit.</p>
<p>Kevin, if you still have any connection with the reporters who did the news segment, you may want to point them in that direction. The grossly inflated &#8220;rack rate&#8221; at most hospitals, and how the uninsured can get stuck actually paying that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph J. Neuschatz M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph J. Neuschatz M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mudpuppyfarms,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your ideas are great ! Why should I write them down for you ? You have literary talent. DO IT !&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was thinking to quit writing and become an executioner. After all, in the post-electric chair era, who knows better than an anesthesiologist how to administer intravenous drugs ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But the lawyers scare me. What happens if &quot;the patient&quot; survives ?&lt;br/&gt;Will I have to buy &quot;Executioner Malpractice Insurance&quot;....?&lt;br/&gt;(If you read my book, you&#039;ll find this idea in it -SORRY !)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Dr. N</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mudpuppyfarms,</p>
<p>Your ideas are great ! Why should I write them down for you ? You have literary talent. DO IT !</p>
<p>I was thinking to quit writing and become an executioner. After all, in the post-electric chair era, who knows better than an anesthesiologist how to administer intravenous drugs ?</p>
<p>But the lawyers scare me. What happens if &#8220;the patient&#8221; survives ?<br />Will I have to buy &#8220;Executioner Malpractice Insurance&#8221;&#8230;.?<br />(If you read my book, you&#8217;ll find this idea in it -SORRY !)</p>
<p>Dr. N</p>
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		<title>By: Mudpuppyfarms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mudpuppyfarms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr. N,&lt;br/&gt;Wow a 5 star rating, and great review- I&#039;m hooked, I love a good murder, mystery, thiller. I used to read Stephen King as a teen, then onto Robin Cook. The book should be here in a few days and I will post.&lt;br/&gt;As a side note- four years ago had an &quot;elective procedure&quot; although both myself and my PS agreed in was &quot;medically necessary&quot;, trust me on this one.&lt;br/&gt;Well when I woke up, the anesthesiologist was present and told me he had a little trouble intubating me, and asked if I snored, etc. Told me should talk to my doctor, if my hubby thought it was bad or if holding my breath.&lt;br/&gt;Sure enough, sleep study showed mod-severe apnea. At 37, female and not overweight, now I have a Darth Vadar mask, and I get the best sleep of my life. Now I think without his observation, I don&#039;t know how long this would have went on for or die in my sleep from it.&lt;br/&gt;So I was thinking, that since you have a talent for writing and if you decide to change your genre to non-fiction, may I suggest a title &quot; Yes, a boob job can save your life&quot; or &quot; Real stories from the intubated unconscious&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Have a great week- mudpuppyfarms- JP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. N,<br />Wow a 5 star rating, and great review- I&#8217;m hooked, I love a good murder, mystery, thiller. I used to read Stephen King as a teen, then onto Robin Cook. The book should be here in a few days and I will post.<br />As a side note- four years ago had an &#8220;elective procedure&#8221; although both myself and my PS agreed in was &#8220;medically necessary&#8221;, trust me on this one.<br />Well when I woke up, the anesthesiologist was present and told me he had a little trouble intubating me, and asked if I snored, etc. Told me should talk to my doctor, if my hubby thought it was bad or if holding my breath.<br />Sure enough, sleep study showed mod-severe apnea. At 37, female and not overweight, now I have a Darth Vadar mask, and I get the best sleep of my life. Now I think without his observation, I don&#8217;t know how long this would have went on for or die in my sleep from it.<br />So I was thinking, that since you have a talent for writing and if you decide to change your genre to non-fiction, may I suggest a title &#8221; Yes, a boob job can save your life&#8221; or &#8221; Real stories from the intubated unconscious&#8221;<br />Have a great week- mudpuppyfarms- JP</p>
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		<title>By: Mudpuppyfarms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mudpuppyfarms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr. N, I will gladly read today and post. And yes, you are correct about the hospital beds, as the old saying goes- If you want to stay well, stay out of the hospital.&lt;br/&gt;If more people would go for regular check-up&#039;s with their physicians, things would be caught before a hospitalization was needed. Again,the ER is overused in place of seeing their doctors, but many of the people are uninsured for whatever reason.&lt;br/&gt;We have a local clinic here, that people are encouraged to use and it&#039;s based on a sliding scale fee, no one pays more than 30.00 a visit, but it&#039;s staffed by a NP ( who I know and is quite competent)and nurses. But alot of the people prefer to see a real doctor, even if it&#039;s in the ER.&lt;br/&gt;By the way after further consideration of my last post, I didn&#039;t think it through throughly.&lt;br/&gt;It came to mind that after all the lawyers are busy taking care of these patients, who is going to sue them for malpractice? Maybe they can pay back the money they won (notice not earn) into a program that decreases insurance for physicians and sign an agreement- no more friviolous lawsuits, and let doctors and nurses get back to work, helping and healing patients just as we should. mudpuppyfarms JP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. N, I will gladly read today and post. And yes, you are correct about the hospital beds, as the old saying goes- If you want to stay well, stay out of the hospital.<br />If more people would go for regular check-up&#8217;s with their physicians, things would be caught before a hospitalization was needed. Again,the ER is overused in place of seeing their doctors, but many of the people are uninsured for whatever reason.<br />We have a local clinic here, that people are encouraged to use and it&#8217;s based on a sliding scale fee, no one pays more than 30.00 a visit, but it&#8217;s staffed by a NP ( who I know and is quite competent)and nurses. But alot of the people prefer to see a real doctor, even if it&#8217;s in the ER.<br />By the way after further consideration of my last post, I didn&#8217;t think it through throughly.<br />It came to mind that after all the lawyers are busy taking care of these patients, who is going to sue them for malpractice? Maybe they can pay back the money they won (notice not earn) into a program that decreases insurance for physicians and sign an agreement- no more friviolous lawsuits, and let doctors and nurses get back to work, helping and healing patients just as we should. mudpuppyfarms JP</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph J. Neuschatz M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph J. Neuschatz M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear Anonymous Esq.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You know pretty well that physicians (like all other professionals), discuss victories and try to forget defeats.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Where would I find you 5 RIL cases ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All I know is that the undersigned had one such a law suit -which made me write &quot;terrO.R.&quot; (fiction ?)- and for me, Res Ipsa not only represents 100% of my legal experience but also made me realize how easy it is for ambulance chassers to make money on physicians backs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;JJN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear Anonymous Esq.</p>
<p>You know pretty well that physicians (like all other professionals), discuss victories and try to forget defeats.</p>
<p>Where would I find you 5 RIL cases ?</p>
<p>All I know is that the undersigned had one such a law suit -which made me write &#8220;terrO.R.&#8221; (fiction ?)- and for me, Res Ipsa not only represents 100% of my legal experience but also made me realize how easy it is for ambulance chassers to make money on physicians backs.</p>
<p>JJN</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph J. Neuschatz M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph J. Neuschatz M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea Mudpuppyfarms !&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here is another one: statistically speaking, the unsafest place in America is a hospital bed. More people die in a hospital bed than in any other location: restaurant, shopping mall or ice-cream parlor. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I had my bed for 40 years already and, so far, nobody dared dying in it. Therefore, if American get sick, let them stay home in the safety of their beds.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BEST,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Dr. N&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;P.S. I would love to have your opinion on my above mentioned novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea Mudpuppyfarms !</p>
<p>Here is another one: statistically speaking, the unsafest place in America is a hospital bed. More people die in a hospital bed than in any other location: restaurant, shopping mall or ice-cream parlor. </p>
<p>I had my bed for 40 years already and, so far, nobody dared dying in it. Therefore, if American get sick, let them stay home in the safety of their beds.</p>
<p>BEST,</p>
<p>Dr. N</p>
<p>P.S. I would love to have your opinion on my above mentioned novel.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize you&#039;ve got a book to shill, but again, can you cite me to even 5 malpractice cases where the doctrine of RIL was successfully applied?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize you&#8217;ve got a book to shill, but again, can you cite me to even 5 malpractice cases where the doctrine of RIL was successfully applied?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7K for a scan and a read? WTF Radiologist&#039;s better enjoy this gravy train because it is not going to last. Once malpractice issues are worked out, these scans can be read overseas at a fraction of the price. Nighthawks is just the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7K for a scan and a read? WTF Radiologist&#8217;s better enjoy this gravy train because it is not going to last. Once malpractice issues are worked out, these scans can be read overseas at a fraction of the price. Nighthawks is just the beginning.</p>
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