Comments on: Catholic pharmacists and the Pope http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-85466 Anonymous Wed, 07 May 2008 02:53:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-85466 "i feel the pope has no right to step into the medical world and attempt to encroach his ideals on anyone.<br/>that in my eyes, is as bad as terrorism, terrorists try to force their ideals on people everyday and now the pope is doing the same."<br/><br/>The Pope DOES, in fact, have a right to express his ideals to Catholics. That is, in fact, a primary responsibility in his job description. The Pope is the Minister of all Catholics. The reference given is him doing his job... ministering to Catholics... The religious world is not divorced from all others. If someone calls themselves Catholic, and then says that the Pope has no right to minister to them, they aren't really Catholic then. And if you are a Pharmacist, and you're NOT Catholic, nobody's making you obey the Pope. Therefore, he's not "imposing" his viewpoint on unwilling victims. Calling oneself Catholic is, by definition, calling ones self a student of The Catholic Church, of which the Holy Father is head. Nothing is "imposed" here. Catholics are under the Pope's authority, but he has no real Temporal Power... Therefore, if they don't want to do what he says, or don't agree with his interpretation of Christ's teachings, they are totally free to do something else, and cease to be truly Catholic. “i feel the pope has no right to step into the medical world and attempt to encroach his ideals on anyone.
that in my eyes, is as bad as terrorism, terrorists try to force their ideals on people everyday and now the pope is doing the same.”

The Pope DOES, in fact, have a right to express his ideals to Catholics. That is, in fact, a primary responsibility in his job description. The Pope is the Minister of all Catholics. The reference given is him doing his job… ministering to Catholics… The religious world is not divorced from all others. If someone calls themselves Catholic, and then says that the Pope has no right to minister to them, they aren’t really Catholic then. And if you are a Pharmacist, and you’re NOT Catholic, nobody’s making you obey the Pope. Therefore, he’s not “imposing” his viewpoint on unwilling victims. Calling oneself Catholic is, by definition, calling ones self a student of The Catholic Church, of which the Holy Father is head. Nothing is “imposed” here. Catholics are under the Pope’s authority, but he has no real Temporal Power… Therefore, if they don’t want to do what he says, or don’t agree with his interpretation of Christ’s teachings, they are totally free to do something else, and cease to be truly Catholic.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-85049 Anonymous Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:27:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-85049 i feel the pope has no right to step into the medical world and attempt to encroach his ideals on anyone. <br/> that in my eyes, is as bad as terrorism, terrorists try to force their ideals on people everyday and now the pope is doing the same. <br/> i personnally am not a cotholic and fervantly disagree with it i disapprove of organised religion for this exact reason, a single person telling me i should believe in something he thinks is rightious, and he is trying to preach outside his church, that is wrong he should only preach within his own confines (the catholic church) nowhere else.<br/>he should be ashamed. i feel the pope has no right to step into the medical world and attempt to encroach his ideals on anyone.
that in my eyes, is as bad as terrorism, terrorists try to force their ideals on people everyday and now the pope is doing the same.
i personnally am not a cotholic and fervantly disagree with it i disapprove of organised religion for this exact reason, a single person telling me i should believe in something he thinks is rightious, and he is trying to preach outside his church, that is wrong he should only preach within his own confines (the catholic church) nowhere else.
he should be ashamed.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-84664 Anonymous Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:46:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-84664 Why didn't the person just get her meds somewhere else? <br/><br/><br/>If I were this pharmacist I can't say I would have acted much different. Why didn’t the person just get her meds somewhere else?

If I were this pharmacist I can’t say I would have acted much different.

]]> By: KoKohttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-81536 KoKo Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:59:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-81536 "Maybe I guess I never considered a "technician" a dirty word."<br/><br/>I like the term "Factoid" better. Fact-up, spit-out... “Maybe I guess I never considered a “technician” a dirty word.”

I like the term “Factoid” better. Fact-up, spit-out…

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-81522 Anonymous Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:07:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-81522 They know more pharmacology than any or most MDs and thank the good Lord, they're more than technicians.<br/><br/>By the way, aren't MDs thought to be technicians with high loan debts?<br/><br/>Following that reasoning we are ALL some sort of technicians. Maybe I guess I never considered a "technician" a dirty word. They know more pharmacology than any or most MDs and thank the good Lord, they’re more than technicians.

By the way, aren’t MDs thought to be technicians with high loan debts?

Following that reasoning we are ALL some sort of technicians. Maybe I guess I never considered a “technician” a dirty word.

]]> By: KoKohttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-81515 KoKo Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:45:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-81515 "Do you want your family to be cared for by a doctor with moral integrity?"<br/><br/>If the MD in question is a certified half-wit, why should I care about his/her morals? “Do you want your family to be cared for by a doctor with moral integrity?”

If the MD in question is a certified half-wit, why should I care about his/her morals?

]]> By: KoKohttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-81514 KoKo Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:44:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-81514 Pharmacists in the USA, after 6 years of college ( post high school) now start at an average salary of $110,000/year.<br/><br/>They know more pharmacology than any or most MDs and thank the good Lord, they're more than technicians.<br/><br/>By the way, aren't MDs thought to be technicians with high loan debts? Pharmacists in the USA, after 6 years of college ( post high school) now start at an average salary of $110,000/year.

They know more pharmacology than any or most MDs and thank the good Lord, they’re more than technicians.

By the way, aren’t MDs thought to be technicians with high loan debts?

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-81500 Anonymous Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:11:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-81500 The problem for Payne Hertz and Jen seems to be that they think that a pharmacist should dispense contraceptives on demand, moral code or no. If the pharmacist cannot reconcile that with their conscience, they should leave the profession. A fair enough capsule? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this boil down to morality testing for a profession by Payne Hertz and Jen? I don't think you want to go there.<br/><br/>From this principle, it is a small step from forcing an OB/Gyn to perform abortions on demand, or leave the profession. The law tends to support the right to a conscience; I would expect most citizens, regardless of their beleif system, to do the same. You know, freedom of religion, and all that antiquated nonsense... The problem for Payne Hertz and Jen seems to be that they think that a pharmacist should dispense contraceptives on demand, moral code or no. If the pharmacist cannot reconcile that with their conscience, they should leave the profession. A fair enough capsule? Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t this boil down to morality testing for a profession by Payne Hertz and Jen? I don’t think you want to go there.

From this principle, it is a small step from forcing an OB/Gyn to perform abortions on demand, or leave the profession. The law tends to support the right to a conscience; I would expect most citizens, regardless of their beleif system, to do the same. You know, freedom of religion, and all that antiquated nonsense…

]]> By: Jenhttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-81498 Jen Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:11:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-81498 Perhaps if their moral code does not enable them to practice their chosen profession fully, they should choose another profession. Perhaps if their moral code does not enable them to practice their chosen profession fully, they should choose another profession.

]]> By: Payne Hertzhttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-pope.html#comment-81496 Payne Hertz Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:47:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/10/catholic-pharmacists-and-the-pope.html#comment-81496 Every one is entitled to a conscience, and should be allowed to follow their own moral code. Not everyone is entitled to make their place of employment conform to their personal moral code. A single pharmacist refusing to fill certain prescriptions can inconvenience and even harm tens of thousands of women in his career. The idea that tens of thousands of people have to suffer for the convenience of one is absurd. If your moral code prohibits your from doing what the job requires, you may need to find another field.<br/><br/>I have to wonder about all these pharmacists grandstanding about their "morality" by refusing to do their jobs, but they are more than willing to profit from working for a company that sells products they literally believe are used to murder kids. It is stunning hypocrisy. Every one is entitled to a conscience, and should be allowed to follow their own moral code. Not everyone is entitled to make their place of employment conform to their personal moral code. A single pharmacist refusing to fill certain prescriptions can inconvenience and even harm tens of thousands of women in his career. The idea that tens of thousands of people have to suffer for the convenience of one is absurd. If your moral code prohibits your from doing what the job requires, you may need to find another field.

I have to wonder about all these pharmacists grandstanding about their “morality” by refusing to do their jobs, but they are more than willing to profit from working for a company that sells products they literally believe are used to murder kids. It is stunning hypocrisy.

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