Can banning abortion lead to death?

Here are a couple of cases that illustrates the clinical gray area of banning abortion:

Once abortion becomes illegal here physicians will face jail time for caring for these septic abortion patients. So, fingers crossed and let’s all hope these patients will be considerate enough to expire before they get to the hospital.

Comments

scalpel
Hysterical nonsense.
ema
scalpel,
No need to get so discombobulated. After all, we’re entre nouse here, so more facts and less emotional outbursts.
scalpel
Well I’d love to hear from anyone who can provide a link to any proposed or established legislation that suggests that physicians would be prosecuted for performing a life-saving hysterectomy on a patient with a uterine rupture after a patient’s own botched attempt at inducing an abortion.
Let’s just see those facts, and less emotional (hysterical) outbursts.
Anonymous
I have to agree with Scalpel on this one. if this truly ever happens where doctor’s cannot provide life saving treatment on someone (anyone) then we will absolutely be a country of disgrace.
scalpel
Well, I left a comment over there that is still lost out in moderation land 24 hours later.
So since we haven’t heard from the author or any of her supporters, we can only assume that she was making up the whole scary scenario to advance her political agenda.
Pathetic.
scalpel
Have you no retort to my reply? Does it not suit your agenda? Are you unable to discuss the facts without sensationalism?
If you want to say that banning abortion is wrong because it might lead to women harming themselves with illegal attempts at self-abortion, then you would have a valid (or at least an arguable) point, with some basis in historical facts to support it.
But apparently that argument wasn’t good enough for you, so you stretched the truth a bit.
Your claims in this post are simply inflammatory dramatization, without factual basis. And what is worse, you can’t even admit it, won’t even try to defend your own words, and won’t allow any dissenting comments.
That turns you into a mere propagandist.
ema
Me: Illegal abx–> unsafe abx & death/unsafe abx.
Also Me: Ban procedure (make it illegal to take care of pts)–>dead/almost dead patients.
scalpel: Hysterical….[N]onsense….admits he’s not familiar with the basics (like legislation that made it illegal for MDs to care for critical pts s/p induced abx) but would love for someone to clue him in…
Right. As I mentioned before, scalpel, less emotion and more facts.
And since I’m a big believer in teaching opportunities, here’s a hint for you: Although this particular law had exceptions for health/life/etc., because it banned abx, it made it illegal for MDs to care for pts, including critically ill pts, s/p induced abx. [The punishment for MDs was sentences of up to 12 years; for pts sentences of between 6 mo to 2 years.]
The fact that the pt. was septic or had a ruptured uterus did not make it legal to operate on them. What made it legal was if 1) the political police was notified, 2) the pt was interrogated, and 3) a special committee approved medical care.
So, now all you have to do is do your homework and…name that law.
Anonymous @ 2:48 PM,
I’m afraid I don’t share your optimism. What you describe–doctors being prevented from providing life-saving treatment to pts–has already happened in places with abx bans. I don’t see why our experience would be different, once abx is banned here.
ema
scalpel @ 9:18 AM,
I’ll check for your comment.
…we can only assume that she was making up the whole scary scenario to advance her political agenda.
Ah, the certainty of ignorance! Not to mention the heavy dose of projection. Just because you have a political agenda, doesn’t mean other people do, too.
scalpel @ 8:39 AM,
Have you no retort to my reply?
Your wish is my command. (see previous post)
If you want to say that banning abortion is wrong because it might lead to women harming themselves with illegal attempts at self-abortion…
A valid concern, indeed, but not the point of the discussion.
…so you stretched the truth a bit.
Your claims in this post are simply inflammatory dramatization, without factual basis.
My claim: Based on precedent (law banning abx and taking care of critically ill pts s/p induced abx), once abx is banned here we’ll run into the same problem (…physicians will face jail time [here] for caring for these septic abortion patients)
Your claim: Since I’m not familiar with the law under discussion it doesn’t exist, and any claims based on it are simply inflammatory dramatization.
Once again, I must say, yeah, right!
And what is worse, you can’t even admit it, won’t even try to defend your own words, and won’t allow any dissenting comments.
OK, this is getting really embarrassing for you, so let me help you out.
If you disagree with my claim, denying reality (no law making it illegal to take care of pt s/p induced abx) isn’t the way to go.
Instead, you need to show (with facts, or, at least, some well reasoned arguments, not emotional outbursts) why banning abx here won’t lead to the same problems.
That turns you into a mere propagandist.
Ah, but don’t you know, scalpel, propaganda is the new science. One can only aspire to be as trendy as you.
scalpel
You are the one making the claim, so it is your responsibility to support it with evidence. Apparently, you cannot.
ema
scalpel @ 1:01 PM,
You are the one making the claim, so it is your responsibility to support it with evidence.
I could not agree with you more.
So, let’s hear the evidence for your [h]ysterical nonsense claim.
j.
It is fact that more women have died because of abortion since legalization than before as unrestricted access to abortion led to many more abortions therefore raising the risk of complications and death. Former abortion clinic workers, managers and advocates have confirmed that this is true. Abortion clinics have been politically protected from scrutiny until now. Restrictions such as Arizona’s recent bill makes it safer as only Medical Physicians are able to perform them. Yes, this may restrict access as most phycicians will not do them, but that is a good thing as it saves lives. The statement that we must keep it legal to save lives would be laughable if not so tragic.

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