Comments on: Physician salaries: "The easiest stakeholder to attack" http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/physician-salaries-easiest-stakeholder.html medical blog Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:15:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/physician-salaries-easiest-stakeholder.html/comment-page-1#comment-79356 Anonymous Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:12:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/08/physician-salaries-the-easiest-stakeholder-to-attack.html#comment-79356 In the respect of fees, yes they have opposed interests, but what the patients want is "care" which means dealing with professionals, not labor who are subject to the goals of management, who in turn worships solely at the feet of Mammon. The professional wants a good return for his efforts, but what makes him a professional is a commitment, in return for the the agreed fee, of putting the patients interest first in all that he recommends. In short, to recommend what is best for the patient rather than selling the services that are best for him.<br/><br/>In protecting that professionalism, doctors and patients share common interests. In the respect of fees, yes they have opposed interests, but what the patients want is “care” which means dealing with professionals, not labor who are subject to the goals of management, who in turn worships solely at the feet of Mammon. The professional wants a good return for his efforts, but what makes him a professional is a commitment, in return for the the agreed fee, of putting the patients interest first in all that he recommends. In short, to recommend what is best for the patient rather than selling the services that are best for him.

In protecting that professionalism, doctors and patients share common interests.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/physician-salaries-easiest-stakeholder.html/comment-page-1#comment-79341 Anonymous Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:02:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/08/physician-salaries-the-easiest-stakeholder-to-attack.html#comment-79341 "They" (not a homogeneous group) share about the same interests with the providers as they do with the bean counters and MBAs. One wants the most care at the cheapest rate for oneself while not being forced to pay for the same for others. “They” (not a homogeneous group) share about the same interests with the providers as they do with the bean counters and MBAs. One wants the most care at the cheapest rate for oneself while not being forced to pay for the same for others.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/physician-salaries-easiest-stakeholder.html/comment-page-1#comment-79337 Anonymous Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:04:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/08/physician-salaries-the-easiest-stakeholder-to-attack.html#comment-79337 They share some interests in common. The professional independence of doctors is necessary to prevent the subjugation of patients needs to the interests of the bureaurocrats and MBA's. It is in the interest of patients that thier professionalism be protected, and that means their independence. They share some interests in common. The professional independence of doctors is necessary to prevent the subjugation of patients needs to the interests of the bureaurocrats and MBA’s. It is in the interest of patients that thier professionalism be protected, and that means their independence.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/physician-salaries-easiest-stakeholder.html/comment-page-1#comment-79336 Anonymous Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:01:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/08/physician-salaries-the-easiest-stakeholder-to-attack.html#comment-79336 locornacchia:<br/><br/>No. "Organized medicine" is traditionally used to refer to the national, state and county medical societies which are professional associations that once almost had Union like power with regard to thier members. locornacchia:

No. “Organized medicine” is traditionally used to refer to the national, state and county medical societies which are professional associations that once almost had Union like power with regard to thier members.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/physician-salaries-easiest-stakeholder.html/comment-page-1#comment-79331 Anonymous Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:28:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/08/physician-salaries-the-easiest-stakeholder-to-attack.html#comment-79331 Let's all join hands, sing kumbaya together and heal Gaia!<br/><br/>The "common good" for the providers and patients are not one in the same. Providers have shown this repeatedly with patient abandonment for purely financial reasons, collusive control of the healthcare system with their paid politicians, an inability to accept responsibility for their actions, etc. Each group has their own set of objectives, goals and desired outcomes. Patients have served as a captive audience for much too long when it comes to parroting the demands of the providers. Let’s all join hands, sing kumbaya together and heal Gaia!

The “common good” for the providers and patients are not one in the same. Providers have shown this repeatedly with patient abandonment for purely financial reasons, collusive control of the healthcare system with their paid politicians, an inability to accept responsibility for their actions, etc. Each group has their own set of objectives, goals and desired outcomes. Patients have served as a captive audience for much too long when it comes to parroting the demands of the providers.

]]> By: lcornacchia http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/physician-salaries-easiest-stakeholder.html/comment-page-1#comment-79327 lcornacchia Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:02:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/08/physician-salaries-the-easiest-stakeholder-to-attack.html#comment-79327 Obviously this is a very complex subject.<br/> By ‘Organized medicine’ I assume that you are referring to “doctors organized by a single organization” - essentially a union.<br/><br/>By “antitrust rulings that prevented it from playing a real role in mediating complaints against docs by patients and protecting quality of care” - I assume you are referring to the fact that Anti-trust laws prohibit most doctors from joining unions.<br/><br/>However, “unions” are not the only way to influence policy, regulations and predatory behavior. ReginaE. Herzlinger’s recent letter to the editor of the Washington Post makes this point nicely.(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/24/AR2007072401850.html)<br/><br/>Kevin’s point stands. Doctors need to unite, align with their patients and fight for a common good - a healthcare industry focused on care first and shareholder satisfaction second. Obviously this is a very complex subject.
By ‘Organized medicine’ I assume that you are referring to “doctors organized by a single organization” – essentially a union.

By “antitrust rulings that prevented it from playing a real role in mediating complaints against docs by patients and protecting quality of care” – I assume you are referring to the fact that Anti-trust laws prohibit most doctors from joining unions.

However, “unions” are not the only way to influence policy, regulations and predatory behavior. ReginaE. Herzlinger’s recent letter to the editor of the Washington Post makes this point nicely.(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/24/AR2007072401850.html)

Kevin’s point stands. Doctors need to unite, align with their patients and fight for a common good – a healthcare industry focused on care first and shareholder satisfaction second.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/physician-salaries-easiest-stakeholder.html/comment-page-1#comment-79292 Anonymous Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:33:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/08/physician-salaries-the-easiest-stakeholder-to-attack.html#comment-79292 My understanding of the history of organized medicine is that it began losing the support of docs when it lost the fight against medicare, followed soon by the antitrust rulings that prevented it from playing a real role in mediating complaints against docs by patients and protecting quality of care.<br/><br/>Everything that plagues healthcare today was predicted by the opponents of Medicare as eventual consequences. They were right, and if that is so, then nothing that has happened since could have substantially been different. In other words, once organized medicine lost that fight, the rest was inevitable. My understanding of the history of organized medicine is that it began losing the support of docs when it lost the fight against medicare, followed soon by the antitrust rulings that prevented it from playing a real role in mediating complaints against docs by patients and protecting quality of care.

Everything that plagues healthcare today was predicted by the opponents of Medicare as eventual consequences. They were right, and if that is so, then nothing that has happened since could have substantially been different. In other words, once organized medicine lost that fight, the rest was inevitable.

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