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		<title>By: maggie mahar</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/how-can-you-tell-politician-is-lying-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-78669</link>
		<dc:creator>maggie mahar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if you have read the SCHIP bills that were approved by the House and the Senate next week, but if you have you will&lt;br/&gt;see that the funding is there &lt;br/&gt;without raising taxes on&lt;br/&gt;anything except cigarettes. (Do the numbers.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Senate bill would fund the SCHIP expansion totaly with taxes&lt;br/&gt;on cigarettes: the House bill would do it partially with cigarette taxes, partially by cutting the overpayment to private&lt;br/&gt;sector health insurance companies that provide Medicare Advantage. (Medicare is now paying them 12% more than it would spend if it provided the services to the same beneficiaires directly.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Moreover, the bills do not provide&lt;br/&gt;healthcare for upper-middle-class (or middle class) kids. What they do is provide care for two groups of kids who are not covered today: a)poor children who are eligible for Schip but are not getting it because the state has not fully funded its part of the program and b) poor kids who have insurance part of the year (when their parents income is so low that they qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP) and then lose the insurance when their parents get a low-paying job (that probably doesn&#039;t offer health insurance.) Then when their parents are laid off--they&#039;re back on SCHIP for a few months. These&lt;br/&gt;kids need consistent care.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, what counts as &quot;poor&quot; varies state by state depending on the cost of living in that state. &lt;br/&gt;Four times the National Poverty Level is worth a lot less if you live in Chicago or D.C. than if you live in Mississippi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you have read the SCHIP bills that were approved by the House and the Senate next week, but if you have you will<br />see that the funding is there <br />without raising taxes on<br />anything except cigarettes. (Do the numbers.)</p>
<p>The Senate bill would fund the SCHIP expansion totaly with taxes<br />on cigarettes: the House bill would do it partially with cigarette taxes, partially by cutting the overpayment to private<br />sector health insurance companies that provide Medicare Advantage. (Medicare is now paying them 12% more than it would spend if it provided the services to the same beneficiaires directly.)</p>
<p>Moreover, the bills do not provide<br />healthcare for upper-middle-class (or middle class) kids. What they do is provide care for two groups of kids who are not covered today: a)poor children who are eligible for Schip but are not getting it because the state has not fully funded its part of the program and b) poor kids who have insurance part of the year (when their parents income is so low that they qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP) and then lose the insurance when their parents get a low-paying job (that probably doesn&#8217;t offer health insurance.) Then when their parents are laid off&#8211;they&#8217;re back on SCHIP for a few months. These<br />kids need consistent care.</p>
<p>Finally, what counts as &#8220;poor&#8221; varies state by state depending on the cost of living in that state. <br />Four times the National Poverty Level is worth a lot less if you live in Chicago or D.C. than if you live in Mississippi.</p>
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		<title>By: the sak</title>
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		<dc:creator>the sak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visiting Shattuck Hospital Geriatric Care Services&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Available directions to hospital location are not adequate for many people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Rodent droppings.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Human waste.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Retributive behavior toward patients that cannot get out of bed from personnel not wanting to handle patients&#039; bedpans and urine containers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Human waste unattended to for hours.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;And soaked bed linens.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Unsanitary conditions for food result in patients getting worms.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Handwashing needs to be attended to more diligently.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Lack of easily accessible handwashing stations.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Unsanitary dirt and dust in ventilating grill of window air conditioners.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;Automobile outside the hospital entrance with booming loudspeakers that vibrated the building and vibrated windows for hours at a deafening level.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;A wall of tobacco smoke from more than twenty tobacco smokers at the hospital entrance blocking people entering and leaving causing asthma respiratory reactions in hospital visitors.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;There are no telephones for patients that cannot get out of bed.</description>
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<p>.<br />Available directions to hospital location are not adequate for many people.</p>
<p>.<br />Rodent droppings.</p>
<p>.<br />Human waste.</p>
<p>.<br />Retributive behavior toward patients that cannot get out of bed from personnel not wanting to handle patients&#8217; bedpans and urine containers.</p>
<p>.<br />Human waste unattended to for hours.</p>
<p>.<br />And soaked bed linens.</p>
<p>.<br />Unsanitary conditions for food result in patients getting worms.</p>
<p>.<br />Handwashing needs to be attended to more diligently.</p>
<p>.<br />Lack of easily accessible handwashing stations.</p>
<p>.<br />Unsanitary dirt and dust in ventilating grill of window air conditioners.</p>
<p>.<br />Automobile outside the hospital entrance with booming loudspeakers that vibrated the building and vibrated windows for hours at a deafening level.</p>
<p>.<br />A wall of tobacco smoke from more than twenty tobacco smokers at the hospital entrance blocking people entering and leaving causing asthma respiratory reactions in hospital visitors.</p>
<p>.<br />There are no telephones for patients that cannot get out of bed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they don&#039;t have big cable bills. Afer two or three unpaid months, the cable will be shut off.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, if they&#039;d used the cable money toward health insurance, maybe they wouldn&#039;t have had a &quot;medical&quot; bankruptcy either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they don&#8217;t have big cable bills. Afer two or three unpaid months, the cable will be shut off.</p>
<p>Of course, if they&#8217;d used the cable money toward health insurance, maybe they wouldn&#8217;t have had a &#8220;medical&#8221; bankruptcy either.</p>
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		<title>By: The Logical Thinking Fairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Logical Thinking Fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I know for a fact that very few people who file chapter 7 or chapter 13 in my district have big cable bills.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Because by that point they have neither cash nor reputation.  The real question is how many years before the crisis were they blowing $2500/year on cable, cell, and so forth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know for a fact that very few people who file chapter 7 or chapter 13 in my district have big cable bills.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because by that point they have neither cash nor reputation.  The real question is how many years before the crisis were they blowing $2500/year on cable, cell, and so forth?</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pax vobiscum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pax vobiscum.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>htanks for the sermon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>htanks for the sermon</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous, I was not talking about my pro bono work.  I was talking about people I know in my work life, and trying to explain how I might know what I am talking about.  I have seen an average of 1500 chapter 7 cases a year for many years.  My point is that my experience with very broke people is that they don&#039;t have expensive cable, or expensive anything.  They live just as close to the bone as you might imagine.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Consider this family.  Mom averages 35 hours a week as an assistant night manager at a fast food chain, making $14,500.  Dad averages 35 hours a week as a grill cook at a mid-level chain restaurant (think Outback), making $16,000.  Commute time is about 3 hours a day.  They have three grade school kids.  Does it bother you to pay taxes to cover their SCHIP?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why do I know these people? Mom has no insurance.  She got sick, and ran up $30,000 in medical debt. Dad has no health care insurance either.  They paid on the debt for a while, lost their apartment, moved in with Mom&#039;s mother, which saves the rent, but increased their gas expense.  Their budget is food, gas, clothes for the kids, after-school care and a car payment, one car for the two of them.  So, Mom had to file.  I did it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, again, do you mind paying taxes to cover SCHIP for their kids?  Consider this.  If a kid gets sick and runs up a big medical bill, who will pay?  Mom won’t be able to file again, so dad will have to be responsible, and file himself.  These people work as hard as they reasonably can, take every overtime hour that they can and still cannot make it.  They are not unusual.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to other commenters, let me just point out that if Mom and Dad had their own coverage, doctors and hospitals would have been paid.  My dad took care of plenty of what were then called charity cases in the 50s, and he hated medi-care, and then he found out that he was getting paid for what he used to do for free.  I&#039;m just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, I was not talking about my pro bono work.  I was talking about people I know in my work life, and trying to explain how I might know what I am talking about.  I have seen an average of 1500 chapter 7 cases a year for many years.  My point is that my experience with very broke people is that they don&#8217;t have expensive cable, or expensive anything.  They live just as close to the bone as you might imagine.  </p>
<p>Consider this family.  Mom averages 35 hours a week as an assistant night manager at a fast food chain, making $14,500.  Dad averages 35 hours a week as a grill cook at a mid-level chain restaurant (think Outback), making $16,000.  Commute time is about 3 hours a day.  They have three grade school kids.  Does it bother you to pay taxes to cover their SCHIP?  </p>
<p>Why do I know these people? Mom has no insurance.  She got sick, and ran up $30,000 in medical debt. Dad has no health care insurance either.  They paid on the debt for a while, lost their apartment, moved in with Mom&#8217;s mother, which saves the rent, but increased their gas expense.  Their budget is food, gas, clothes for the kids, after-school care and a car payment, one car for the two of them.  So, Mom had to file.  I did it.</p>
<p>So, again, do you mind paying taxes to cover SCHIP for their kids?  Consider this.  If a kid gets sick and runs up a big medical bill, who will pay?  Mom won’t be able to file again, so dad will have to be responsible, and file himself.  These people work as hard as they reasonably can, take every overtime hour that they can and still cannot make it.  They are not unusual.  </p>
<p>As to other commenters, let me just point out that if Mom and Dad had their own coverage, doctors and hospitals would have been paid.  My dad took care of plenty of what were then called charity cases in the 50s, and he hated medi-care, and then he found out that he was getting paid for what he used to do for free.  I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How Can You Tell A Politician is Lying To You?  Whenever his lips are moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How Can You Tell A Politician is Lying To You?  Whenever his lips are moving.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, don&#039;t you just love the &quot;It&#039;;s for the children!&quot; bullshit.  In the current SCHIP bill before congress they&#039;re about to upgrade the definition of &quot;Child&quot; to a person up to 25 years of age.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So the poor pro bono lawyers won&#039;t have as much business.  The cable companies will. And more pro bono doctors will get sick and tired of tis shit and go into something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, don&#8217;t you just love the &#8220;It&#8217;;s for the children!&#8221; bullshit.  In the current SCHIP bill before congress they&#8217;re about to upgrade the definition of &#8220;Child&#8221; to a person up to 25 years of age.</p>
<p>So the poor pro bono lawyers won&#8217;t have as much business.  The cable companies will. And more pro bono doctors will get sick and tired of tis shit and go into something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By the time people are declaring bankruptcy due to medical problems they have usually downgraded their cable to the basic package.  But, what were their spending habits the previous 10-20 years before they declared bankruptcy.  You can&#039;t come and try to buy health insurance after you have a big problem and expect to be treated the same as someone who has been investing in their health care whether they are sick or healthy.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This doesn&#039;t just pertain to cable, but it pertains as well to cars, private school, watches, jewelery, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,</p>
<p>By the time people are declaring bankruptcy due to medical problems they have usually downgraded their cable to the basic package.  But, what were their spending habits the previous 10-20 years before they declared bankruptcy.  You can&#8217;t come and try to buy health insurance after you have a big problem and expect to be treated the same as someone who has been investing in their health care whether they are sick or healthy.  </p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t just pertain to cable, but it pertains as well to cars, private school, watches, jewelery, etc.</p>
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