<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Medical students visit an insurer</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/07/medical-students-visit-insurer.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/07/medical-students-visit-insurer.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:18:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/07/medical-students-visit-insurer.html#comment-77354</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/07/medical-students-visit-an-insurer.html#comment-77354</guid> <description>The last line:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He [Rivo] said one doctor might get 41 percent of patients needing mammograms to have them done while another doctor gets 90 percent compliance. Under the concept of pay-for-performance, perhaps one doctors should be rewarded more than another.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One student immediately objected: &#039;&#039;It&#039;s not your fault,&#039;&#039; he said, defending the doctors. Patients should be held responsible for doing what&#039;s right, not doctors.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&#039;&#039;So you should drop bad patients?&#039;&#039; Rivo asked. The student didn&#039;t answer.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I suppose the students are &quot;idealistic lambs&quot;. In fairness, though, they are not law students. Debate may not have been their strong point in college.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally, my answer would have been &quot;yes&quot;. Under P-4-P, the doctors should drop &quot;bad patients&quot; who will not quit unhealthful habits. The doctor didn&#039;t create the incentive, the insurance company did. The doctor&#039;s ethical choice would be to not sign in the first place I suppose. I&#039;d have brought that up as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also in fairness to the medical students, they are in a position where faculty can throw them out on a whim. The school sent them to the insurance company, with implied endorsement. If I were a medical student in that position, I&#039;d be hard pressed to argue with an insurance company executive who questioned my ethics.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, now that I&#039;m out of that position, if an insurance executive questioned my ethics, I&#039;d suggest in that public forum, that the insurance executive wouldn&#039;t know what ethics was if it bit him in the ass.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last line:</p><p>He [Rivo] said one doctor might get 41 percent of patients needing mammograms to have them done while another doctor gets 90 percent compliance. Under the concept of pay-for-performance, perhaps one doctors should be rewarded more than another.</p><p>One student immediately objected: &#8221;It&#8217;s not your fault,&#8221; he said, defending the doctors. Patients should be held responsible for doing what&#8217;s right, not doctors.</p><p>&#8221;So you should drop bad patients?&#8221; Rivo asked. The student didn&#8217;t answer.</p><p>I suppose the students are &#8220;idealistic lambs&#8221;. In fairness, though, they are not law students. Debate may not have been their strong point in college.</p><p>Personally, my answer would have been &#8220;yes&#8221;. Under P-4-P, the doctors should drop &#8220;bad patients&#8221; who will not quit unhealthful habits. The doctor didn&#8217;t create the incentive, the insurance company did. The doctor&#8217;s ethical choice would be to not sign in the first place I suppose. I&#8217;d have brought that up as well.</p><p>Also in fairness to the medical students, they are in a position where faculty can throw them out on a whim. The school sent them to the insurance company, with implied endorsement. If I were a medical student in that position, I&#8217;d be hard pressed to argue with an insurance company executive who questioned my ethics.</p><p>Of course, now that I&#8217;m out of that position, if an insurance executive questioned my ethics, I&#8217;d suggest in that public forum, that the insurance executive wouldn&#8217;t know what ethics was if it bit him in the ass.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/07/medical-students-visit-insurer.html#comment-77276</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/07/medical-students-visit-an-insurer.html#comment-77276</guid> <description>The poster at the boottom is dead on. How can insurance companies cry &quot;Poor!&quot; if their stocks are going through the roof? I mean, Jim Kramer has had a love affair with UnitedHelath for song long, it can&#039;t be becausethey stopped just one or two MRI&#039;s. Its a systematic way for these companies to make money off of the American healthcare dollar, money that should be going to doctors. Why should these insurance ghouls be entitled to a damn penny???&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know, I know. Because doctors couldn&#039;t control themselves in the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s. Great, so now we have a whole new subset of greedy b*&amp;%$#@, and they arent even seeing patients.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Makes me so ANGRY!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poster at the boottom is dead on. How can insurance companies cry &#8220;Poor!&#8221; if their stocks are going through the roof? I mean, Jim Kramer has had a love affair with UnitedHelath for song long, it can&#8217;t be becausethey stopped just one or two MRI&#8217;s. Its a systematic way for these companies to make money off of the American healthcare dollar, money that should be going to doctors. Why should these insurance ghouls be entitled to a damn penny???</p><p>I know, I know. Because doctors couldn&#8217;t control themselves in the 70&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s. Great, so now we have a whole new subset of greedy b*&#038;%$#@, and they arent even seeing patients.</p><p>Makes me so ANGRY!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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