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	<title>Comments on: Is sending patients to the ER defensive medicine?</title>
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		<title>By: Happyman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this comes up in a nursing home a lot.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One thing that makes my job easy - the family either insists on ER transfer, or implies that they feel (or their uncle&#039;s friend&#039;s wife said) that the patient needs urgent CT, MRI, IV &quot;vitaminas&quot; or whatever.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;then they go to the ER.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t feel good about that, but I gotta protect myself, as nobody else will. I don&#039;t EVER want to be blamed for not doing enough, by a patient/family, or some cavalier EMT or ER intern.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can&#039;t count the times I&#039;ve sent folks to the ER, &amp; they return 5 days later with a medical student hospital discharge summary note implying we&#039;re incompetent &amp; sent the patient too late.  We&#039;ll often diagnose &amp; try to treat at the NH first, but being 90yo &amp; w/ advanced COPD, it&#039;s a real bitch to treat pneumonia - sometimes it works &amp; sometimes it doesn&#039;t. And sometimes they&#039;re DNR and sometimes they&#039;re not.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just the other day I had an EMT tell me that I could figure out if the patient in resp distress had CHF or pneumonia if i just sat them up &amp; saw if they got better (???) - ok perhaps for a nursing or EMS textbook, but in real life for an MD it&#039;s just NOT THAT SIMPLE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this comes up in a nursing home a lot.</p>
<p>One thing that makes my job easy &#8211; the family either insists on ER transfer, or implies that they feel (or their uncle&#8217;s friend&#8217;s wife said) that the patient needs urgent CT, MRI, IV &#8220;vitaminas&#8221; or whatever.</p>
<p>then they go to the ER.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel good about that, but I gotta protect myself, as nobody else will. I don&#8217;t EVER want to be blamed for not doing enough, by a patient/family, or some cavalier EMT or ER intern.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t count the times I&#8217;ve sent folks to the ER, &#038; they return 5 days later with a medical student hospital discharge summary note implying we&#8217;re incompetent &#038; sent the patient too late.  We&#8217;ll often diagnose &#038; try to treat at the NH first, but being 90yo &#038; w/ advanced COPD, it&#8217;s a real bitch to treat pneumonia &#8211; sometimes it works &#038; sometimes it doesn&#8217;t. And sometimes they&#8217;re DNR and sometimes they&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>Just the other day I had an EMT tell me that I could figure out if the patient in resp distress had CHF or pneumonia if i just sat them up &#038; saw if they got better (???) &#8211; ok perhaps for a nursing or EMS textbook, but in real life for an MD it&#8217;s just NOT THAT SIMPLE.</p>
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