Fox News: Does national healthcare breed terrorism?

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An audacious take on health care reform. Fox News interviews National Review’s Jerry Bowyer: “I think the terrorists have shown over and over again”¦they’re very good at gaming the system with bureaucracies.”

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Natalie
That’s an interesting argument against nationalized health care. love to see that tossed into a presidential debate: “You’re for nationalized health care??? HA! You’re supporting TERRORISM!”
MLO
Is FOX actually considered a news station? I had thought it was a 24 hour fictionalization of current events…
On a more serious note, in revolutionary movements, it is not the poor or downtrodden who are the movers and shakers. Rather, the Upper Middle and Upper class youth who do not see enough “change” in their lifetime. (One of the 3 factors signaling disruption in a society. The other two are mind-altering substance use, and expectations rising faster than reality can meet. True of every social uprising.)
It would be more surprising if the terrorists had been working class folk.
Pax,
MLO
Anonymous
Well , we’ll likely hear from the Cinton News Network (AKA CNN) that the way to COMBAT terrorism is to import more muslim MD’s from abroad- especially those from countries that we continue to “misunderstand.”
Anonymous
Typical comments from Cheney-lap-dog neocons.
The Independent Urologist
Gimme a break! What will the right think of next?
DDx:dx
http://poemd.blogspot.com/2007/02/terrorist-in-white-coat.html
Anonymous
Thread opened with typical comment from lefty lap dogs.
What will leftoids think of next? That they can atually get NEWS from CNN, PMSNBC, CBS, NBC, and ABC?
Anonymous
The discussion should be one of are we supporting terrorism by having to import foreign providers secondary to the unexplicable allowance of letting existing providers and their organizations control the domestic supply.
Anonymous
It breeds terrorism AND supports communism. Just look what Hugo Chavez is doing, importing enslaved Cuban commie physicians to work in Venezuela because the Venezuelan physicians have fled to the US. The last post is full of baloney. If we shut down illegal immigration we would find that we already have enough providers.
Anonymous
Ever wonder why network news is free and FOX news is a premium cable channel? You don’t get something for nothing. Wake up.
Anonymous
Unfortunately, what you get from the other side of the divide (BBC, NPR, CNN, the usual crowd), is coverage of the bombers with complete refusal to recognize the common link between them. “Diverse Background” as one of them put it.
Mike
I love the guys who say “You cant believe CNN, ABC, CBS, NYTimes.etc etc…” Then what CAN we listen to? They forgot the press is supposed to be the WATCHDOG of government. Not its willing lapdog (i.e. Fox “news”) The irony, however, is that these mainstream “liberal” journos are nothing of the kind. They berate their own liberal candidates (read “The daily Howler” to see this on a daily basis)
But the problem is that the liberal media isn’t liberal enough! We don’t need more Rush Limbaugh-esque fake news. It just creates the problem we see here. People basically saying “Oh, then what CAN we believe since they’re all full of it”. Thats the most dangerous response of all.
By the way, I did residency with a hundred guys who looked exactly like Mohammed Asha. For what its worth.
Anonymous
Ummm…do you mean Mohammed Atta? Or were you making a funny given that all that is left of him is Asha?
Cathy
I don’t know, are all you doctor’s planning on becoming terrorists if we get an NHS?…Thats a good one though. Maybe Panda can throw that into the mix of his scare tactics. “Vote for an NHS, and we will all become terrorists and kill you.”
Matthew
As an argument against nationalized health care, it’s totally ridiculous, but it’s not really much different than the “your drug purchase supports terrorism” PSA’s that we’ve all been paying for for some time now. If you’re going to use the one, then why not go ahead and use both? Maybe Bush will throw those ads on TV before too long. Keep an eye out.
Mike
Anon 6:38
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015020.php
They show a pic of Mohammed Asha.
Anonymous
My bad Mike. Asha, Atta, they’re all Caca to me.
Anonymous
“The last post is full of baloney. If we shut down illegal immigration we would find that we already have enough providers.”
Patent nonsense. We may have enough providers to pay a/an monopoly/oligopoly wage scale, but certainly not enough to meet even basic citizen patient care needs in rural and urban areas. Perhaps, this is where Mexico can help. Mexico could fund new medical schools sitting just inside their northern border and flood the US with new providers.
Anonymous
Islam, which demands the oppression of unbelievers and the killing of apostates, is the enemy of freedom and the enemy of a free mind. It has no place in free societies. The survival of tolerance demands that it selectively exercise intolerance towards pervasively intolerant ideologies.
Socialized medicine breeds physician shortages which then requires importation of cheap foreign medical labor from third world economies. It is the ideology of unreason and intolerance that keeps those countries poor that breeds the terrorism–the teachings of Mohammed are the source of the murders, not poverty, not western imperilism, not socialized medicine. It is a totalitarian ideology that sets up an irreconcilable conflict with the freedom of conscience of the west. Most Muslims are not actively engaged in killing for the same simple reason that most Christians are not going to be in church this Sunday, and will tell a few lies this week–because most really aren’t all that devout. A devout Muslim is a dangerous Muslim.
Anonymous
Sorry to tell you, but Mexico already has a flooded border with medical clinics and pharmacies. You are free to go and take your chances as you wish. There are good ones and there are not so good ones. And there are plenty of Mexican and Caribbean trained M.D.’s here in the US: all you have to do to offset a lack of necessary attributes to gain admission to a US school is have a lot of money and be able to sign the papers.
The myth of a scarcity of rural or urban providers/services continues to be perpetuated. The fact is that there is neither the desire to practice in nor the necessary economic base to support specialists/subspecialists/hospitals or in some cases even primary care in rural communities. Urban communities have a full complement of care available within a short bus ride. Any urban problems are either economic and affect much more than healthcare, or misplaced priorities/poor choices/poor education.
Anonymous
It is asha
Two suspects in the failed car bombings in Britain made inquiries about working in the United States, the FBI said Friday.
Mohammed Asha, 26, and another man whose name an FBI spokeswoman didn’t give — contacted the Philadelphia-based Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates.
Asha, a Jordanian physician of Palestinian heritage, contacted the agency within the last year but apparently did not take the test for foreign medical school graduates, said the spokeswoman, Nancy O’Dowd.
The nonprofit commission verifies the credentials of foreign medical school graduates, evaluates individuals’ medical knowledge and administers exams. It represents just one step in a process foreigners must go through to obtain training as a medical resident in the U.S.
SOURCE: The Associated Press
Anonymous
If we go to a single payer system expect the rural healthcare problem to get exponentially worse. Why would you be a physician in a rural community when you can see many more patients in an urban facility. That is partially offset now by increased reibursement and hospital support in rural areas. That goes bye, bye with single payer.
Anonymous
>>That is partially offset now by increased reibursement and hospital support in rural areas.
Having just left a rural area for an urban practice, I would like to know about that increased reimbursement. There is substantially higher reimbursement in urban areas, even for the same insurance (Blues for example) or Medicare.
I suppose the eimbursement is better if you have Critical Access status, but no, there is usually no improved reimbursement to the physician, for rural practice.
Hospitals may well be a different story.
Anonymous
I make much more in a rural setting than I did in an urban one and work less. Primarily because of the hospital support. That’s the only way they could fill the position.
Anonymous
Ah, hospital support. Yes, that changes everything.
I was practicing solo, independent.
Anonymous
Trust me you are making far more for the hospital than your referal incentive er “support” payment. There are simple economic reasons and personal reasons that fewer doctors will ever choose rural practice settings. It is best for those doctors who need the ego boost of being a big fish in a small pond. For the rest of us who crave anonymity after we have left the office for the symphony, rural practice is simply out of the question.
Anonymous
I have no idea what doctor immigration has to do with underserved rural areas except as a part of “talking points” or fantasy.
When I worked in a small town, the doctors were all American born but for one. Now that I am in a well-served urban area, about 1/3 of the docs are immigrants.
Obviously, if someone leaves a place where their kith and kin are horrifically underserved and in dire need of their services to come here, helping those in need can not be their primary motivation. The immigrant docs are comming to serve only their own self-interest and lose no ground in the pursuit of money.
Anonymous
8:09 speaks the truth.
Anonymous
Nice Background info on Jerry Bowyers (the person interviewed by Fox News).
See here the infamous interview (background info in the introduction to the clip):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2c-JEx-Kfvc

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